50 cent

Will Brink wrote:
re rap

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And 9 out of 10 times that beat has been
taken ("sampled"😉 from the people with the
talent to actually write music.

If it's so effing easy then where's your rap album? You describe it as
if it'd be millions ripe for the picking.

And it's certainly not talking to a beat.

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Will Brink wrote:
re rap

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And 9 out of 10 times that beat has been
taken ("sampled"😉 from the people with the
talent to actually write music.

If it's so effing easy then where's your rap album? You describe it as
if it'd be millions ripe for the picking.

And it's certainly not talking to a beat.

Hmm---let's see if we can list types of human vocalizations:

Singing, talking, screaming, whispering, moaning, grunting, humming,
whistling, cooing, and I'm sure there are more. Rapping is closer to talking
than any of the others(except when Master P does it--then it's grunting).
Rapping isn't singing. Rapping is talking to a beat.

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Will Brink wrote:

> If you can't sing for [censored] and you can't
> play an instrument, you go into rap.
> No talent required....

That's a very nice sound bite, but it's also incorrect.

Tupac, Luda, Snoop Dogg, Kanye West, more! Talent? Yes.

Are they talented at what they do? Sure. But you cannot compare what they
do
to an actual BAND who write songs and play instruments. The organic feel
of
true musicianship is something all the samplers and drum machines in the
world cannot duplicate. A rapper is not a singer, he's just a guy talking
to
a beat.

And 9 out of 10 times that beat has been taken ("sampled"😉 from the
people with the talent to actually write music. That some like Puff
Daddy, or what ever the F he calls himself these days, can make millions
from his "music" is proof of what PT Barnum said ³no one ever went broke
underestimating the intelligence of the American public²

That sounds a lot more like the supplement industry. If people are being
entertained, what's the problem? They're getting what they paid for. At
least they're not getting ripped off, like 95% of GNC's customers.

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I'm supposing that these are not Country Groups. And - I suppose they don't
get a whole lot re-mixed into Dance songs. Hmmm, guess that leaves me out.

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Does anyone else have a problem with this guy and the popularity of his
"music" ? Thank God my kids are not into this stuff. They like the

goodness

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of ole Led Zep.
I'm serious though..his rap is all on the top of the charts and the

subject

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matter is pretty rotten. He's a thug who belongs in prison.

I own both of his CD's. As well as Lloyd Banks, G-Unit, Black Eyed Peas,
etc... In the same stack I have several Led Zeppelin's (I think one of the
50's is stacked on top of a Zeppelin one 😉), Metallica, Godsmack, Rob
Zombie, Don Henley, Pantera, Sarah McLachlan, etc... Everything but that
sorry ass country music.

Diversity Jim. Diversity.

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> Will Brink wrote:
>
> > If you can't sing for [censored] and you can't
> > play an instrument, you go into rap.
> > No talent required....
>
> That's a very nice sound bite, but it's also incorrect.
>
> Tupac, Luda, Snoop Dogg, Kanye West, more! Talent? Yes.
>

Are they talented at what they do? Sure. But you cannot compare what they
do
to an actual BAND who write songs and play instruments. The organic feel
of
true musicianship is something all the samplers and drum machines in the
world cannot duplicate. A rapper is not a singer, he's just a guy talking
to
a beat.

And 9 out of 10 times that beat has been taken ("sampled"😉 from the
people with the talent to actually write music. That some like Puff
Daddy, or what ever the F he calls himself these days, can make millions
from his "music" is proof of what PT Barnum said ³no one ever went broke
underestimating the intelligence of the American public²

That sounds a lot more like the supplement industry.

Sad, but true.

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If people are being
entertained, what's the problem?

There is no "problem."

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They're getting what they paid for. At
least they're not getting ripped off, like 95% of GNC's customers.

Was that supposed to make sense some how?

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Curt James said:

Will Brink wrote:
re rap

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And 9 out of 10 times that beat has been
taken ("sampled"😉 from the people with the
talent to actually write music.

If it's so effing easy then where's your rap album?

I appear to be busy making a living via other means.

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You describe it as
if it'd be millions ripe for the picking.

I would say Puff Daddy it proof of that.

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And it's certainly not talking to a beat.

It's talking to who evers music you rip off. It's a joke, like
wrestling.

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Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

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Will Brink wrote:
re rap

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And 9 out of 10 times that beat has been
taken ("sampled"😉 from the people with the
talent to actually write music.

If it's so effing easy then where's your rap album? You describe it as
if it'd be millions ripe for the picking.

And it's certainly not talking to a beat.

Hmm---let's see if we can list types of human vocalizations:

Singing, talking, screaming, whispering, moaning, grunting, humming,
whistling, cooing, and I'm sure there are more. Rapping is closer to talking
than any of the others(except when Master P does it--then it's grunting).
Rapping isn't singing. Rapping is talking to a beat.

And some of it is actually quite good. I thought Coolio (spell?) was a
talented rapper, but talented is relative when talking about actual
musicians.

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Curt James said:

Will Brink said:

It's a joke, like wrestling.

If it was so easy then everyone would have a successful rap album. And
now you're dismissing wrestling? I suppose your wrestling career, like
your rap album, was postponed because you were busy making a living by
other means.

Exactly, I use that squishy thing between my ears. Try it some time kid.
Now go back to rap and wrestling.

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

Will Brink said:

Curt James said:

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It's a joke, like wrestling.

[snip]

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I suppose your wrestling career, like your
rap album, was postponed because you were
busy making a living by other means.

Exactly, I use that squishy thing between my
ears.

Prove that claim during future posts by not making blanket statements.

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Try it some time kid.

Kid? I feel like I've been carded. Not a bad feeling approaching 43.

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Now go back to rap and wrestling.

Thank you. I will.

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Gooserider said:

No matter how you much you wish to deny it,
it is talking to a beat.

You continue to leave out rhythm and rhyme. Semantics, yes, but rapping
is not simply talking to a beat.

So it's rhyming to a beat? It's STILL talking. Talking to a beat. Geez...

Gooserider said:

So it's rhyming to a beat? It's STILL talking.
Talking to a beat. Geez...

Geez, eh?

No.

It's not as simple as that.

Brink's initial comment was dismissive of rap as an art form.

He scribbled: "If you can't sing for [censored] and you can't play an
instrument, you go into rap. No talent required...."

Incorrect. Not to mention (okay, to mention) an ill-advised blanket
statement which simply serves as an example of intolerance as well as
ignorance. But, hey, I'm surely making too big a deal of a flippant
remark.

I have heard rap that was [censored] and which I would agree is merely
talking to a beat, however 50 Cent, Luda, Tupac, et al. do not fit
Brink's or your stereotype. Rap is *not* talking to a beat.

And bringing this back on topic, I suspect many would be happy to be
built as well as "Fitty".

http://www.mockweb.com/images/50cent_piano.jpg

<Ali G>

Respect!

</Ali G>

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"Gooserider" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> "Curt James" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > Will Brink wrote:
> >
> > > If you can't sing for [censored] and you can't
> > > play an instrument, you go into rap.
> > > No talent required....
> >
> > That's a very nice sound bite, but it's also incorrect.
> >
> > Tupac, Luda, Snoop Dogg, Kanye West, more! Talent? Yes.
> >
>
> Are they talented at what they do? Sure. But you cannot compare what
> they
> do
> to an actual BAND who write songs and play instruments. The organic
> feel
> of
> true musicianship is something all the samplers and drum machines in
> the
> world cannot duplicate. A rapper is not a singer, he's just a guy
> talking
> to
> a beat.

And 9 out of 10 times that beat has been taken ("sampled"😉 from the
people with the talent to actually write music. That some like Puff
Daddy, or what ever the F he calls himself these days, can make
millions
from his "music" is proof of what PT Barnum said ³no one ever went
broke
underestimating the intelligence of the American public²

That sounds a lot more like the supplement industry.

Sad, but true.

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If people are being
entertained, what's the problem?

There is no "problem."

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They're getting what they paid for. At
least they're not getting ripped off, like 95% of GNC's customers.

Was that supposed to make sense some how?

50 Cent's customers may or may not be of low intelligence, but at least
they're not getting "suckered" into buying his music. They get what they get
and either enjoy it or they don't. GNC's customers are mostly buying into
bogus marketing. They may convince themselves the latest HMB type product is
helping them get huge, but if it's not effective they are being ripped off,
whether they know it or not. So in the sense that P.T Barnum's remark
related to deceptive practices, I think it applies more to questionable
supplements, e.g. liquid creatine, than music.

ATP* said:

50 Cent's customers may or may not be of
low intelligence, but at least they're not
getting "suckered" into buying his music.
They get what they get and either enjoy it
or they don't. GNC's customers are mostly
buying into bogus marketing.

Some would say that GNC customers not only have so-called bogus
marketing to deal with, but also salespeople who find themselves
positioned against supplements that may work better than the GNC
product.

I worked for GNC as a retail salesperson for three years while I was
attending college. Every salesperson had the choice to sell a GNC
product with its green commission-incentive sticker or a non-commission
item to their customers. Now which do you think most GNC employees
would sell an unsuspecting or uniformed customer?

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They may convince themselves the latest HMB
type product is helping them get huge, but if
it's not effective they are being ripped off,
whether they know it or not.

And most customers, unfortunately, don't know jack squat when it comes
to supplement efficacy.

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Curt
http://curtjames.com/

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Curt James said:

Gooserider said:

So it's rhyming to a beat? It's STILL talking.
Talking to a beat. Geez...

Geez, eh?

No.

It's not as simple as that.

Brink's initial comment was dismissive of rap as an art form.

Now it's an art form! Bwa ha ha ha! Funny.

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

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50 Cent's customers may or may not be of low intelligence, but at least
they're not getting "suckered" into buying his music. They get what they get
and either enjoy it or they don't. GNC's customers are mostly buying into
bogus marketing. They may convince themselves the latest HMB type product is
helping them get huge, but if it's not effective they are being ripped off,
whether they know it or not. So in the sense that P.T Barnum's remark
related to deceptive practices, I think it applies more to questionable
supplements, e.g. liquid creatine, than music.

They are both a product of maketing. I see little difference actually.

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Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

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Curt James said:

Gooserider said:

So it's rhyming to a beat? It's STILL talking.
Talking to a beat. Geez...

Geez, eh?

No.

It's not as simple as that.

Brink's initial comment was dismissive of rap as an art form.

Now it's an art form! Bwa ha ha ha! Funny.

It always looked like some kind of neuromuscular disease to me.

Along with an unhealthy dose of illiteracy.

Neil Gendzwill said:

Will Brink said:

Shocking your kids are into Zep.

Not shocking at all. A lot of the kids are into classic rock these
days. My 12 year old's favourite band is AC/DC. I like more current

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stuff than she does.

Neil

My seven-year-old son's two favourite songs are Smoke on the Water and
Don't Fear The Reaper, with Walk This Way running a close third. And
California Dreamin' is up there too. He just switched sort of
overnight from being into the latest boy/girl pop pap to wearing a
biker jacket and drinking Jack Daniels. The daily/weekly newspapers
over here regularly give away cds of alleged "classics", and that's
where he picked up on the older rock stuff. I might just dig out my
Deep Purple in Rock album....

Stephen
Not really, there, about the biker jacket/JD, by the way.

Stephen Mulholland said:

Neil Gendzwill said:

Will Brink said:

Shocking your kids are into Zep.

Not shocking at all. A lot of the kids are into classic rock these
days. My 12 year old's favourite band is AC/DC. I like more current

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stuff than she does.

Neil

My seven-year-old son's two favourite songs are Smoke on the Water and
Don't Fear The Reaper, with Walk This Way running a close third. And
California Dreamin' is up there too. He just switched sort of
overnight from being into the latest boy/girl pop pap to wearing a
biker jacket and drinking Jack Daniels. <snip>

I was at least 8 before my dad let me drink Jack Daniels.
~GJ~

Will Brink said:

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50 Cent's customers may or may not be of low intelligence, but at least
they're not getting "suckered" into buying his music. They get what they get
and either enjoy it or they don't. GNC's customers are mostly buying into
bogus marketing. They may convince themselves the latest HMB type product is
helping them get huge, but if it's not effective they are being ripped off,
whether they know it or not. So in the sense that P.T Barnum's remark
related to deceptive practices, I think it applies more to questionable
supplements, e.g. liquid creatine, than music.

They are both a product of maketing. I see little difference actually.

Every 2nd or 3rd can, I buy GNC's Extreme MRP, chocolate. Why would I
do such a thing? Only real reason is that it tastes as good as a DQ
Blizzard to me if I add a little flaxseed oil. It has about 60g of
protien per 3 scoops, and I suppose it's intended to be an actual meal
replacement. I've tried several store brands but never anything
online. I've been wanting to try out some of the stuff at
http://www.allthewhey.com/ Anyone ever try this?
~GJ~

Will Brink said:

Curt James said:

Brink's initial comment was dismissive of rap
as an art form.

Now it's an art form! Bwa ha ha ha! Funny.

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http://www.brinkzone.com/

But not as funny as you offering advice on hair loss. Of course, my
hairline is only slightly worse than yours.

http://www.geocities.com/curt_james/hair.html

I suppose I could change my musical interests and buy a wig. But what
can you do about your attitude and, uh, altitude? I mean, how tall are
you, 5-2?

Oh, don't cry foul. I used the squishy thing between my ears to come up
with that one... kid.

(And it's bwahahahah. One word. Get it right next time. You could throw
in a follow-up *snort* for good measure, I suppose.)

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