4WDs - High and Mighty

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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Sounds like something to print off and slip under the windscreen wipers of the Landcruisers in the
carpark :-)

Yawn...

Another them-and-us post.

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From 'Background Briefing' on ABC Radio National last Sunday morning: ... (The Cars that ate
Cities) ... The full text is at: abc.net.aus881845.htmOpen ↗

One of the observations I made was the fear & discomfort felt by car drivers towards big 4WDs has
the same causes of the fear & discomfort felt by cyclists towards motorists:
* they are bigger;
* they cause disproportionately more damage to the smaller one;
* they dominate the roads;
* the operators (unconciously) become more aggressive or assertive;
* the operators feel safer.

My greatest hope is that car drivers get a road law that says something like 'the bigger party is
presumed negligent in a crash' (& everything that leads to).

Cheerio,

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Steve Reynolds said:

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Sounds like something to print off and slip under the windscreen wipers of the Landcruisers in the
carpark :-)

Yawn...

Another them-and-us post.

Ah Steve, I suspect you are one of them .. or just fit the profile?

"Keith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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From 'Background Briefing' on ABC Radio National last Sunday morning:

[snip]

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Who's been buying SUVs since auto makers turned them into family vehicles? They tend to be people
who are insecure and vain, they're frequently nervous about their marriages, and uncomfortable
about parenthood. They often lack confidence in their driving skills. Above all, they're apt to be
self-centred and self-absorbed, with little interest in their neighbours or communities. No,
that's not a cynic talking, that's the auto industry's own market researchers and executives.

I got it to go off road, but, y'know never quite made it, kids and work stuff, now we use it if for
the family car..........

Toyota rules

Lancruiser and Hilux😎

Seriously as a cyclist , I don't have a problem with 4 wheel drives.

I've had run ins with the standard sedans , not looking or failing to give way.

As a four wheel driver! I have a problem with Mitsubishis😉 and other vehicles without low range.

😄

They have something like that in the Netherlands - if car stikes bike it's always the fault of the
car. Even if the bike went through a red light and hit the side of the car.

K.A. Moylan said:

In article said:

From 'Background Briefing' on ABC Radio National last Sunday morning: ... (The Cars that ate
Cities) ... The full text is at: abc.net.aus881845.htmOpen ↗

One of the observations I made was the fear & discomfort felt by car drivers towards big 4WDs has
the same causes of the fear & discomfort felt by cyclists towards motorists:
* they are bigger;
* they cause disproportionately more damage to the smaller one;
* they dominate the roads;
* the operators (unconciously) become more aggressive or assertive;
* the operators feel safer.

My greatest hope is that car drivers get a road law that says something like 'the bigger party is
presumed negligent in a crash' (& everything that leads to).

Cheerio,

--
K.A. Moylan Canberra, Australia Ski Club: cccsc.asn.aucccsc.asn.auOpen ↗ kamoylan at ozemail dot com
dot au

Steve Reynolds said:

In article <[email hidden]>, lutherblissett20 @buggeroffspammers.mailhot.com says...

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Ah Steve, I suspect you are one of them .. or just fit the profile?

Nothing like a good label, jew, [censored], [censored] waver, women driver, skip, etc, etc... :-)

wowser

As a 4wder, cyclist and professional driver, I don't have a problem with the type of vehicle it is just how it's driven.

A person with no respect for those around them is just as dangerous in corolla or a kenworth or even a push bike.

I will happly for go my 4wd as soon as they ban all others bigger than it. As that's not going to happen then it's time for all of us to get over it. Calling me names and questioning my choice of vehicle won't help anything.

Although knowing what it does cost to run my 4wd compared to a small car I can't think why anyone would want to just run around in one.

I use my 4wd for what it was intended, it goes off road offten!

Dave C

givathafat said:

I use my 4wd for what it was intended, it goes off road offten!

Since when were today's 4WD product lines designed for going off road? They're unsafe on any road
surface and unsuited to any purpose other than looking mean in urban traffic, which is exactly what
their designers and marketers intended..

PC

(PC) said:

They're unsafe on any road surface and unsuited to any purpose other than looking mean in urban
traffic, which is exactly what their

Look mean? I reckon they look like garden sheds on wheels.

The problem most have with 4wds is when people buy them as some sort of urban fashion statement and
never use them off road.

Congrats for buying a vehicle for your needs

Paul

givathafat said:

As a 4wder, cyclist and professional driver, I don't have a problem with the type of vehicle it is
just how it's driven.

A person with no respect for those around them is just as dangerous in corolla or a kenworth or
even a push bike.

I will happly for go my 4wd as soon as they ban all others bigger than
it. As that's not going to happen then it's time for all of us to get over it. Calling me names
and questioning my choice of vehicle won't help anything.

Although knowing what it does cost to run my 4wd compared to a small car I can't think why anyone
would want to just run around in one.

I use my 4wd for what it was intended, it goes off road offten!

Dave C

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Actually, people buy them for their wives because they are perceived as safer, to take the kids to
school with etc. The concept of going to lengths to make sure the "other" person dies rather than
yourself is what irks me. But is does backfire at times with 4wd ease at flipping over.

Paul Jones 'katpaul'@dodo.com.au(nospam) said:

The problem most have with 4wds is when people buy them as some sort of urban fashion statement
and never use them off road.

Congrats for buying a vehicle for your needs

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Originally posted by givathafat
As a 4wder, cyclist and professional driver, I don't have a problem with the type of vehicle it is just how it's driven.

A person with no respect for those around them is just as dangerous in corolla or a kenworth or even a push bike.

I will happly for go my 4wd as soon as they ban all others bigger than it. As that's not going to happen then it's time for all of us to get over it. Calling me names and questioning my choice of vehicle won't help anything.

Although knowing what it does cost to run my 4wd compared to a small car I can't think why anyone would want to just run around in one.

I use my 4wd for what it was intended, it goes off road offten!

Dave C

+1

It costs less in fuel etc to run my hilux 4wd than it does to run a 95 model falcon , the fuel consumption argument is a real storm in a tea cup.
I use my 4wd for everything , it's a work ute , offroader/weekender , general shopping trolley/ transport , I can't afford to register two cars.
They give money to people to buy back guns , if they don't like people with offroad vehicles and want to ban them (including bullbars)...hey...they can buy them back , and all the wowsers , killjoys and safety nazis can pay a 'buyback levy'. I'm sure they'll be happy, as they tear down a 60km/hr street doing 80 or 90 in their little doom buggies , not indicating , not looking or concentrating , giving bike riders hell ; knowing that there are no nasty landcruisers lurking😄
When they've got all the Jetskis out of waterways , 4wds off roads , horses out of national parks ....next will be the.... bicycles ...
I 've never considered killing anyone whilst driving , however when I'm riding I consider it all the time, and they drive....

Sedans
Hatchbacks
2wd utes
and buses

They're usually middle aged men and women , who should know better , unfortunately they vote and they probably want to vote me off the road . They don't like 4wds and they don't like bike riders.

cheers🙂

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Actually, people buy them for their wives because they are perceived as safer, to take the kids to
school with etc. The concept of going to lengths to make sure the "other" person dies rather than
yourself is what irks me. But is does backfire at times with 4wd ease at flipping over.

That certainly seems to be the case, the only accident I have seen involving a 4wd was in a 50km
street and the 4wd ended up upside down with a rear wheel and axle ripped off whereas the sedan that
it hit had a crushed front end but was less damaged than the large 4wd.

The rear wheel was ripped off by hitting the kerb durring one of the 4wds summersalts. The only
injuries were to the occupants of the 4wd who were cut and bruised by the flying contents of
their vehicle.

I am not anti 4WD, but I find some of the logic amusing - eg. Great visibility (yes, but at the
expense of other people's visibility) Safer (sometimes yes, but at the expense of other people's
safety). Just a very selfish mindset I think.

The final irony I love is that people buy 4WDs to keep the kids safe. Then as soon as they turn 17,
Dad buys them an old [censored] with no safety features. This is the time they are most likely to be
involved in an accident!!

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Actually, people buy them for their wives because they are perceived as safer, to take the kids to
school with etc. The concept of going to lengths to make sure the "other" person dies rather than
yourself is what irks me. But is does backfire at times with 4wd ease at flipping over.

Paul Jones 'katpaul'@dodo.com.au(nospam) said:

The problem most have with 4wds is when people buy them as some sort of urban fashion statement
and never use them off road.

Congrats for buying a vehicle for your needs

funny...I use mine for towing my boat and for off-road use (most decent 4WDS have higher towing
capacities than your bog standard sedans...also allowing to launch off the beach etc)

and yes I ride my bike whenever I can including to work and as someone else said earlier its not the
vehicle thats the problem...its the person behind the wheel....and a lot of people shouldn't be
behind a wheel on a public road. Just my observations..

"G" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Actually, people buy them for their wives because they are perceived as safer, to take the kids to
school with etc. The concept of going to lengths to make sure the "other" person dies rather than
yourself is what irks me. But is does backfire at times with 4wd ease at flipping over.

Paul Jones 'katpaul'@dodo.com.au(nospam) said:

The problem most have with 4wds is when people buy them as some sort of urban fashion statement
and never use them off road.

Congrats for buying a vehicle for your needs

In article said:

funny...I use mine for towing my boat and for off-road use (most decent 4WDS have higher towing
capacities than your bog standard sedans...also allowing to launch off the beach etc)

Reminds me of a friend of mine who let a 4WD that was covered in mud into the lane we were in
(driving) and then said that if they hadn't of been any evidence that they were using the thing for
what it's meant for then he wouldn't have let them in!

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"Scotty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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: said earlier its not the vehicle thats the problem...its the person behind the wheel....and a lot
: of people shouldn't be behind a wheel on a public road. Just my observations..
:

Like...

"It's not guns that kill people. People kill people" (not sure on the credit for that)

I just say its a lot harder to kill people with a rotting banana and an anchovie.

If I was to be hit by a car (again) then I would prefer to be hit by an excel that crumples up like
a coke can with the chance of rolling up onto the bonnet than a 4wd with a bull bar at head height
with a large chance of going underneath.

Pete

G <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Actually, people buy them for their wives because they are perceived as safer, to take the kids to
school with etc. The concept of going to lengths to make sure the "other" person dies rather than
yourself is what irks me. But is does backfire at times with 4wd ease at flipping over.

Paul Jones <"katpaul"@dodo.com.au(nospam)> wrote:

Been driving nothing but 4x4's & vans for most of my life, yeah they flip over all the time. And if
hubby took the 4x4 to work instead of the Barina/train/bus, then you'd whinge about it being in
traffic, why should a family buy a second or third car just for picking the kids up? There's more
Falcodores at all our local schools it's only the private schools perhaps.

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Quoted message said:

The problem most have with 4wds is when people buy them as some sort of urban fashion statement
and never use them off road.

Congrats for buying a vehicle for your needs