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Bill C
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On Aug 8, 8:02 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
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> On Aug 8, 7:44 am, Bill C <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > On Aug 8, 7:23 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
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> > > dumbass,
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> > > i know you are a torch-bearer for the blue-collar guy, and like the
> > > guy with a hammer who sees everything as a nail, you imagine a riders
> > > union will fix the sport.
>
> > > but you are laughably stupid. with respect to the umpires unions, what
> > > do you think will happen ? i can tell you, ultimately the leagues will
> > > get their way.
>
> > > this reminds me of when the umpires threatened to resign en-masse a
> > > few years ago.
>
> > > (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_32_223/ai_55450230)
>
> > > "resignations were designed to force baseball to immediately negotiate
> > > a new labor contract to replace the one that expires December 31. But
> > > the league called the umpires' bluff. By the time the umpires decided
> > > to rescind their resignations, 25 minor league umpires had been hired
> > > for big-league duty, and the league had accepted the resignations of
> > > 22 current umpires."
>
> > > at least in pro-leagues the athletes work for the league which is the
> > > revenue generator. for the owners it is not in their interest to beat
> > > up their own investment. besides when it comes to really important
> > > matters (compensation) the owners always get their way over the
> > > players unions.
>
> > > in cycling it's the race that generates money (ie. the ASO), the teams
> > > and the UCI don't.
>
> > > the riders can form a union to oppose unfavorable policies of the
> > > teams or the UCI, but both the riders and teams are ultimately
> > > dependent on the ASO for their livelihood. yet they don't work for the
> > > ASO.
>
> > > so what if the riders have better protection from being fired by their
> > > team or from being suspended by the UCI ? the ASO is still in a
> > > position to pick who it wants to invite to the tour.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > - Show quoted text -
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> > If the ASO was forced to run with scrubs, while the riders, teams,
> > and politicians were all screaming in the press then ASO wouldn't have
> > any money for long no matter what races they have.
>
> dumbass,
>
> you could argue last year's race was run with scrubs, with all the top
> dogs: basso, ullrich, hamilton, vino, heras, excluded before the
> start.
>
> in 2008 a list of scrubs would include vino, rasmussen, hamilton,
> heras, basso, vino, landis, mayo- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -
No, if the union stuck together it would have to have run with
uncontracted, non-union riders, and banned riders. I can't see them
doing that. Sandy would have a better handle on whether the other
unions, particulary in France would support them and refuse services
to the races, or possibly combine them with their other protests.
Very few who crossed the picket lines in football, amybe a dozen,
ever got a shot at the NFL again. Same for the scab umpires, but I
don't even think 3 of them were hired later. The umpires union didn't
stick together behind those who quit, and did negotiate to bring the
ones they wanted back.
It'd be awfully hard for the ASO to, all of a sudden, build their
races around riders they'd trashed as doping scum. Could be a bit of a
PR problem.
Bill C
wrote:
> On Aug 8, 7:44 am, Bill C <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 8, 7:23 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > dumbass,
>
> > > i know you are a torch-bearer for the blue-collar guy, and like the
> > > guy with a hammer who sees everything as a nail, you imagine a riders
> > > union will fix the sport.
>
> > > but you are laughably stupid. with respect to the umpires unions, what
> > > do you think will happen ? i can tell you, ultimately the leagues will
> > > get their way.
>
> > > this reminds me of when the umpires threatened to resign en-masse a
> > > few years ago.
>
> > > (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_32_223/ai_55450230)
>
> > > "resignations were designed to force baseball to immediately negotiate
> > > a new labor contract to replace the one that expires December 31. But
> > > the league called the umpires' bluff. By the time the umpires decided
> > > to rescind their resignations, 25 minor league umpires had been hired
> > > for big-league duty, and the league had accepted the resignations of
> > > 22 current umpires."
>
> > > at least in pro-leagues the athletes work for the league which is the
> > > revenue generator. for the owners it is not in their interest to beat
> > > up their own investment. besides when it comes to really important
> > > matters (compensation) the owners always get their way over the
> > > players unions.
>
> > > in cycling it's the race that generates money (ie. the ASO), the teams
> > > and the UCI don't.
>
> > > the riders can form a union to oppose unfavorable policies of the
> > > teams or the UCI, but both the riders and teams are ultimately
> > > dependent on the ASO for their livelihood. yet they don't work for the
> > > ASO.
>
> > > so what if the riders have better protection from being fired by their
> > > team or from being suspended by the UCI ? the ASO is still in a
> > > position to pick who it wants to invite to the tour.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > If the ASO was forced to run with scrubs, while the riders, teams,
> > and politicians were all screaming in the press then ASO wouldn't have
> > any money for long no matter what races they have.
>
> dumbass,
>
> you could argue last year's race was run with scrubs, with all the top
> dogs: basso, ullrich, hamilton, vino, heras, excluded before the
> start.
>
> in 2008 a list of scrubs would include vino, rasmussen, hamilton,
> heras, basso, vino, landis, mayo- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
No, if the union stuck together it would have to have run with
uncontracted, non-union riders, and banned riders. I can't see them
doing that. Sandy would have a better handle on whether the other
unions, particulary in France would support them and refuse services
to the races, or possibly combine them with their other protests.
Very few who crossed the picket lines in football, amybe a dozen,
ever got a shot at the NFL again. Same for the scab umpires, but I
don't even think 3 of them were hired later. The umpires union didn't
stick together behind those who quit, and did negotiate to bring the
ones they wanted back.
It'd be awfully hard for the ASO to, all of a sudden, build their
races around riders they'd trashed as doping scum. Could be a bit of a
PR problem.
Bill C
