28 inch rims??

Quoted message said:

i see the germans are using 28 inch rims on their touring bikes
how come??

'Cause they're Germans!

Per Sheldon:
"In northern Europe this size [700C] is also sometimes called "28
inch", but should not be confused with the 28 x 1 1/2 635 mm size."
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/tires/622.html

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

i see the germans are using 28 inch rims on their touring bikes
how come??

'Cause they're Germans!

Per Sheldon:
"In northern Europe this size [700C] is also sometimes called "28
inch", but should not be confused with the 28 x 1 1/2 635 mm size."
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/tires/622.html

Which is why when you buy a Continental tubular tyre for a 700c rim it says
on the box (and tyre) 28"...

Gemma

Quoted message said:

i see the germans are using 28 inch rims on their touring bikes
how come??

European's call 700c '28inch', seen many places, like Campag literature,
tire info. Not sure why since 700c is actually smaller than 27 inch and
'inches' in Europe isn't used except by the Brits.

I have two Dutch Gazelles from 1984 both came with 28
inch rims and 28 X 1 5/8 X 1 3/8 tires.I guess 28 inch is very Europeon
just like every part on the bikes made in Europe. Holland.England,
Poland,Germany,and thats Europe.

Quoted message said:

i see the germans are using 28 inch rims on their touring bikes
how come??

For some arcane reason the Germans call 700C rims "28 inch".

In another oddity the Czechs call tubulars "27 inch"

Just a semantic oddity, something with which you are familiar.
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Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

European's call 700c '28inch', seen many places, like Campag literature,
tire info. Not sure why since 700c is actually smaller than 27 inch and
'inches' in Europe isn't used except by the Brits.

'Inch' isn't used in Germany but "Zoll" is. Both of course mean the same
unit of measure (1" = ~25,4mm). The wheels of my touring bike are 28 Zoll
(622mm), and those of my mountain bike 26 Zoll (559mm).
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Pietro Chisolmo said:

Quoted message said:

European's call 700c '28inch', seen many places, like Campag literature,
tire info. Not sure why since 700c is actually smaller than 27 inch and
'inches' in Europe isn't used except by the Brits.

Michail Brzitwa screib:

Quoted message said:

'Inch' isn't used in Germany but "Zoll" is. Both of course mean the same
unit of measure (1" = ~25,4mm). The wheels of my touring bike are 28 Zoll
(622mm), and those of my mountain bike 26 Zoll (559mm).

In France it's "pouce" which is also the word for "thumb."

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HEY NOT SO FAST...

http://www.schauff.de/

offers trek and hybrid cyclocross in 28" that is "

and 700 cc as in cc

and 622mm AS IN MM

the 28 " question stems from reaching for an understanding of frame
design
and how small dimension adjustments may alter the frame's
characteristics-disregarding the rim/tire effects off course

consider that schauff de knows what its doing and that the rim size has
specific bearing on the design's ends

so, the question arises or this one if not more later-does the 28 offer
better entry or rolling over lump hubbly road surfaces vs the 26?? And
turning as well with and increased factor? a dirt road consideration to
roll on!

the imitable gene lewis wrote puddlewonderfully:

Quoted message said:

HEY NOT SO FAST...

http://www.schauff.de/

offers trek and hybrid cyclocross in 28" that is "

and 700 cc as in cc

No, cubic centimeters have nothing to do with any wheel size dimension
system.

You're thinking of the French 700C size. The "C" refers to an old tire
width of about 39 mm that would give a 700 mm outside diameter on a 622
mm rim.

See http://sheldonbrown.com/tire-sizing for enlightenment on this.

Quoted message said:

and 622mm AS IN MM

the 28 " question stems from reaching for an understanding of frame
design
and how small dimension adjustments may alter the frame's
characteristics-disregarding the rim/tire effects off course

28" is the outside diameter of a very fat tire on a 622 rim. Also known
by the trendy designation "29 inch."

Theoretically, a 57 mm wide 622 tire would be 29" outside diameter.

Theoretically, a 45 mm wide 622 tire would be 28" outside diameter.
47-622 mm is actually a fairly common size in Germany.

Theoretically, a 32 mm wide 622 tires would be 27" outside diameter, but
it would be incorrect to refer to it as a "27 inch" because that
designation is reserved for the 630 mm rim diameter.

Quoted message said:

consider that schauff de knows what its doing and that the rim size has
specific bearing on the design's ends

so, the question arises or this one if not more later-does the 28 offer
better entry or rolling over lump hubbly road surfaces vs the 26??

Yes. German utility bikes have traditionally used this size to cope
with cobblestones.

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ura trying to tell me that this german manufacturer puts rim data into
the web site [censored] nilly as it were?
like loctite's shipping department?
not a chance!

ok wise guy! when one accesses the european Contintental cycle tire
site and finds 28 " Conti TT then what?
then we have to go the the sheldon brown website for translations?

Quoted message said:

i see the germans are using 28 inch rims on their touring bikes
how come??

They are *calling* them 28", but that's just the German penchant for
having a precise name for everything, leaving no ambiguity. They're
just Yet Another 700c setup. (I will refrain from entering into the
discussion of the absurdity of using a non-metric designator for a
metric-oriented sizing system, or the inexactitude that results when
such a bike is refitted with a slightly larger or smaller tire later.)
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ugh ugh go to the

http://www.schauff.de/

site and check the hybrud cycl;ocross and trekking and volvo specs
and explain why all 3 rim sizes are offered?
the answer lies with sheldon off course who will call the germans when
harris is in the men's room

Quoted message said:

ok wise guy! when one accesses the european Contintental cycle tire
site and finds 28 " Conti TT then what?
then we have to go the the sheldon brown website for translations?

From Conti's UK site, at this URL

http://www.conti-tyres.co.uk/conticycle/tyre_application/city_trek_application.pdf

aka

http://tinyurl.com/59cz3

Look closely at the third column in the table, headed ERTRO. It gives
the actual size designation, which shows that the 28" tire size group
is *mostly* 700c, with that one extra confusion-inducing entry at the
end...

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Quoted message said:

ugh ugh go to the

http://www.schauff.de/

site and check the hybrud cycl;ocross and trekking and volvo specs
and explain why all 3 rim sizes are offered?

Hybrids and cyclocross bikes with 700c rims are not exactly uncommon
in the US either, though you won't find them at Mall-Wart. If 700c is
the right wheel for one rider and purpose, while 559 is the right size
for another, why shouldn't both be accommodated? The
one-size-fits-all[1] mentality is the hallmark of the myopic US sales
forces; the rest of the world understands that one size does *not* fit
all, in hardware, clothing, or anything else.

Quoted message said:

the answer lies with sheldon off course who will call the germans when
harris is in the men's room

If you insist on shopping in Europe, you'll need to learn the European
size designation customs. When buying replacement tires, ignore the
"wheel size" that was in the decriptive literature from the sales
organization that was marketing the bike, and Read The Sidewall.

[1] "one size fits all" is the short form of "one sits fits all of the
people that we're trying to sell this to, and if you're not one of
them, then you're not part of our Marketing Plan, so you don't
matter."

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Werehatrack said:

http://www.conti-tyres.co.uk/conticycle/tyre_application/city_trek_application.pdf

aka

http://tinyurl.com/59cz3

Look closely at the third column in the table, headed ERTRO. It gives
the actual size designation, which shows that the 28" tire size group is
*mostly* 700c, with that one extra confusion-inducing entry at the
end...

Besides the last "28 inch" entry being a 630, the last "26 inch" entry is
a 590, aka 650A.

crazy6r54 said:

I have two Dutch Gazelles from 1984 both came with 28
inch rims and 28 X 1 5/8 X 1 3/8 tires.I guess 28 inch is very Europeon
just like every part on the bikes made in Europe. Holland.England,
Poland,Germany,and thats Europe.

And that's 700C (622 ISO), right? The _other_ 28" (28 x 1 1/2) is a
roadster tire.

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:20:53 -0400, Steve Palincsar <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Werehatrack said:

http://tinyurl.com/59cz3

Look closely at the third column in the table, headed ERTRO. It gives
the actual size designation, which shows that the 28" tire size group is
*mostly* 700c, with that one extra confusion-inducing entry at the
end...

Besides the last "28 inch" entry being a 630, the last "26 inch" entry is
a 590, aka 650A.

And also known as an EA3 rim.
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Michail Brzitwa said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

European's call 700c '28inch', seen many places, like Campag literature,
tire info. Not sure why since 700c is actually smaller than 27 inch and
'inches' in Europe isn't used except by the Brits.

'Inch' isn't used in Germany but "Zoll" is. Both of course mean the same
unit of measure (1" = ~25,4mm). The wheels of my touring bike are 28 Zoll
(622mm), and those of my mountain bike 26 Zoll (559mm).

On my Contiental Sprinters(made in Germania), they call it '27
inch'...go figure.