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  1. I went and ordered my parts today--can't wait. My LBS ordered me a
    26" fork (Cromoly 1" threaded, non-suspension, w/V-brake mounts, $58).
    Nashbar had a basic 26" ATB wheel set on clearance sale (Araya TM820
    rims on Shimano STX hubs). Only needed a front, but got both wheels,
    8/ 9-speed compatible for $40, can't beat that. Then another $46 for a
    Stelvio tire and tube. With shipping charges and taxes that's about
    $155. Since I have OSS, the loss of the USS fork tube is no big deal.

    BB height should be about 32" and seat height about 27"--uphill stoplights might be a little
    problematic, but we'll see. I'm expecting the wheel-heel interference to be worse but hopefully
    manageable. Aerodynamics should be much improved with the smaller frontal area. I'm expecting the
    bigger wheel will also improve handling and ride. (The city streets around here have a really rough
    texture.) And hopefully the bike will climb better--I'll have to go ride a canyon to find out.

    More to come. 8^)

    Bill Anton 2001 Vision R-40 SWB, OSS Lubbock, TX, USA

  2. Bill Anton must be edykated coz e writed:

    Quoted message said:

    I went and ordered my parts today--can't wait. My LBS ordered me a 26" fork (Cromoly 1" threaded,
    non-suspension, w/V-brake mounts, $58). Nashbar had a basic 26" ATB wheel set on clearance sale
    (Araya TM820 rims on Shimano STX hubs). Only needed a front, but got both wheels,
    8/9-speed compatible for $40, can't beat that. Then another $46 for a Stelvio tire and tube. With
    shipping charges and taxes that's about $155. Since I have OSS, the loss of the USS fork tube is
    no big deal.

    BB height should be about 32" and seat height about 27"--uphill stoplights might be a little
    problematic, but we'll see. I'm expecting the wheel-heel interference to be worse but hopefully
    manageable. Aerodynamics should be much improved with the smaller frontal area. I'm expecting
    the bigger wheel will also improve handling and ride. (The city streets around here have a
    really rough texture.) And hopefully the bike will climb better--I'll have to go ride a canyon
    to find out.

    More to come. 8^)

    Bill Anton 2001 Vision R-40 SWB, OSS Lubbock, TX, USA


    Sounds like an interesting exercise, can't wait to hear how you get on.

    --
    Ian

    catrike.co.ukcatrike.co.uk

  3. [email hidden] (Bill Anton) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    BB height should be about 32" and seat height about 27"--uphill stoplights might be a little
    problematic, but we'll see. I'm expecting the wheel-heel interference to be worse but hopefully
    manageable. Aerodynamics should be much improved with the smaller frontal area. I'm expecting
    the bigger wheel will also improve handling and ride. (The city streets around here have a
    really rough texture.) And hopefully the bike will climb better--I'll have to go ride a canyon
    to find out.

    Bill: That is one tall bike. But then everything is bigger in Texas. Will follow with interest.
    Good luck.

    Mike S. St. Louis, Mo.

  4. You'll be posting some pictures, right?

    :-)

  5. Hopefully it will not throw off your head tube angle enough to give the bike bad handling traits.
    Factory bikes with 26" front wheels have different head tube angles than bikes with 20" front
    wheels. This is to compensate for the larger wheel.

    John

    "Bill Anton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I went and ordered my parts today--can't wait. My LBS ordered me a
    26" fork (Cromoly 1" threaded, non-suspension, w/V-brake mounts, $58).
    Nashbar had a basic 26" ATB wheel set on clearance sale (Araya TM820
    rims on Shimano STX hubs). Only needed a front, but got both wheels,
    8/ 9-speed compatible for $40, can't beat that. Then another $46 for a
    Stelvio tire and tube. With shipping charges and taxes that's about
    $155. Since I have OSS, the loss of the USS fork tube is no big deal.

    BB height should be about 32" and seat height about 27"--uphill stoplights might be a little
    problematic, but we'll see. I'm expecting the wheel-heel interference to be worse but hopefully
    manageable. Aerodynamics should be much improved with the smaller frontal area. I'm expecting
    the bigger wheel will also improve handling and ride. (The city streets around here have a
    really rough texture.) And hopefully the bike will climb better--I'll have to go ride a canyon
    to find out.

    More to come. 8^)

    Bill Anton 2001 Vision R-40 SWB, OSS Lubbock, TX, USA

  6. Quoted message said:

    Nashbar had a basic 26" ATB wheel set on clearance sale (Araya TM820 rims on Shimano STX hubs).
    Only needed a front, but got both wheels,
    8/9-speed compatible for $40, can't beat that.

    I saw that sale, salivated over the wheels, thinking about doing exactly what you are doing. I will
    avidly follow your project.

    Quoted message said:

    the loss of the USS fork tube is no big deal.

    It would be a big deal to me. I 'spose I could braze/weld a tube on the new fork though.

  7. "John W" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Hopefully it will not throw off your head tube angle enough to give the bike bad handling traits.
    Factory bikes with 26" front wheels have different head tube angles than bikes with 20" front
    wheels. This is to compensate for the larger wheel.

    This did occur to me. Allow me to quote my earlier post on this subject (7/22/03):

    "According to my measurements, installing a 26" front wheel and fork will yield a BB height of 32.5"
    and a seat height of 27"--that's 8.5" higher up front and 3" higher on the seat than stock. It will
    also increase headset angle by 9 degrees."

    I had to dust off my high school trig to get that last number. I expect that extra 9 degrees will
    make it feel more "chopper-like," though not extremely so. Ever chopperize a bike when you were a
    kid? I had a bike once with three forks shoved one into another. With the bananna seat I could slide
    to the rear of the seat--I didn't know back then that I was riding a "semi-recumbent." It wasn't too
    safe though, since the forks would separate from each other from time to time. But that was a
    simpler time: no "lawyer lips" on bike forks, no bike helmets, and certainly no geeky spandex bike
    clothes. A really cool bike back then was a 5-speed with the T-handle shifter on the top tube
    (nevermind the obvious safety concerns!) When we got tired of riding bikes, we could always play
    lawn darts.

    But I digress... back to the extra 9 degrees on the steerer tube. I won't know for sure how it
    steers 'till the fork comes in at the LBS. I expect it'll be less than optimal but not really
    "dangerous." This has never been a "hands-off" kind of bike anyway. When I tested an EZ-1 a while
    back, it had a pretty steep steer-tube angle, but that bike has very little front-wheel loading. The
    VR-40, in comparison, has about 45% of the weight on the front wheel (now). My only area of concern,
    if I stick with the 26x26 configuration long term, is potholes and other road shocks: the steeper
    headset angle will necessarily put more side loading (torque) on the fork and headset. The VR-40
    frame is reinforced at the headset, however, and the 2-inch chromoly construction seems to be
    over-engineered for the task anyway. Who knows? A little fork flex might even give a smoother ride,
    barring huge road hazards. (ATP Vision reps are even now making notes from this post in case I
    should try to make a warantee claim on a broken frame down the road.)

    As for seat height, I may be able to get it down an inch or so by drilling holes in the front mount
    and passing the QR through these holes instead of the slots. Again, I'd still have the slots
    available to me. Everything I'm doing here is 100% reversible (assuming no big wrecks!) I love this
    bike too much to mess it up. Vision makes well-engineered, well-thought-out bikes. After I finish
    experimenting I may very well put it back the way it was.

    Bottom line: I want to try riding a highracer but I don't have 2 grand lying around right now.

    Bill Anton 2001 Vision R-40 SWB, OSS Lubbock, TX, USA

  8. cjw <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    You'll be posting some pictures, right?

    :-)

    Absolutely. Just bought a digi-cam last month. Unfortunately I don't have a web site set up, but I'd
    be happy to e-mail them to anyone who asks (yes my e-mail address above is legit, spammers take the
    hindmost). Wheels come this week, but I won't have the fork for another week yet 🙁 When it comes,
    I'll post the mfr. & part numbers too. The LBS had to check and make sure the threaded portion of
    the fork went down far enough, since this bike has a pretty short headset tube. The new fork should
    have the correct braze-ons to allow me to use my stock Avid 2.0 V-brake. We'll see. If I'm pleased
    with the results I may even send an article to RCN.

    Bill Anton 2001 Vision R-40 SWB, OSS Lubbock, TX, USA

  9. Markku Pöysti also has the dual 26" configuration, but for the CLWB version. Presumably it works
    quite well... And then one can get studded tires for the front wheel as well. :-)

    --
    Risto Varanka | helsinki.fihpv.html varis at no spam please iki fi

  10. [email hidden] wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Markku Pöysti also has the dual 26" configuration, but for the CLWB version. Presumably it works
    quite well... And then one can get studded tires for the front wheel as well. :-)

    CLWB version? Are you referring to the LWB version of the R-40? Switching to LWB in conjunction with
    the wheel/fork swap is an interesting possibility. I'd have to weld a tab onto the left side of the
    fork for the LWB steering rod--not too big a deal. I still like SWB, but it's definitely something
    to consider. Thanks for the idea.

    I'm sure the winter snows are beautiful up there in Finland, if somewhat inconvenient for bikes
    and other forms of surface transport. The only studs needed around here are bulls and stallions
    ;-) You'd think no snow equals no car accidents. Ha! You should see the pile-ups on the freeway
    after a thunder shower. Every 4 or 5 years we do get snow or ice in this northern part of Texas.
    Generally the highway dept. does absolutely nothing--they just leave it alone and let it melt,
    close the schools and the malls and everybody stays home for a day--and that's for just 5 cm of
    snow or 1 cm of ice!

    One of these days (or years) I'm going to "Pull a Cletus," and go cycle touring in Europe (in
    Summer, of course). I'll be the typical American who can only speak English and some broken Spanish.

    Bill Anton 2001 Vision R-40 SWB, OSS Lubbock, TX, USA

  11. Bill Anton <[email hidden]> wrote:

    : CLWB version? Are you referring to the LWB version of the R-40?

    Ok, I admit that Vision themselves call it "MWB: Medium Wheelbase". Same thing.

    : I'm sure the winter snows are beautiful up there in Finland, if somewhat inconvenient for bikes
    : and other forms of surface transport.

    No problem! Usually the snow melts in just a few days on the bike tracks so we get a nice rough
    carpet of ice.

    : One of these days (or years) I'm going to "Pull a Cletus," and go cycle touring in Europe (in
    : Summer, of course). I'll be the typical American who can only speak English and some broken
    : Spanish.

    Finland can be very nice in July, some Dutch people came here for holidays and liked it! 😉

    --
    Risto Varanka | helsinki.fihpv.html varis at no spam please iki fi

  12. Quoted message said:

    Markku Pöysti also has the dual 26" configuration, but for the CLWB version. Presumably it works
    quite well... And then one can get studded tires for the front wheel as well. :-)

    hepso.dna.fi2626.jpg

    Here it is, with studded tires.

    Latest improvement: i got very good (aircraft) ball joints from George Reynolds for
    steering linkage.

  13. Quoted message said:

    Markku Pöysti also has the dual 26" configuration, but for the CLWB version. Presumably it works
    quite well... And then one can get studded tires for the front wheel as well. :-)

    Now that i have used it for one summer, i have noticed one problem: The front wheel begins to
    vibrate when braking heavily. It makes braking less efficient. I guess i should change the
    steering angle...

  14. [email hidden]_nospam (Markku Poysti) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Markku Pöysti also has the dual 26" configuration, but for the CLWB version. Presumably it works
    quite well... And then one can get studded tires for the front wheel as well. :-)

    hepso.dna.fi2626.jpg

    Here it is, with studded tires.

    Latest improvement: i got very good (aircraft) ball joints from George Reynolds for steering
    linkage.

    Now there's a dedicated 'benter. Neither rain nor snow nor gloom of night.... If I EVER complain
    again about North Texas winters, would somebody please slap me?

    Bill Anton 4-season rider (mostly) Lubbock, TX, USA

  15. You can get a free account here and post your pics. If you dont want spam get a Hotmail account as
    email. Works for me. Heres my photopage: community.webshots.commseierup

    Some new pics of polish prototypes and carbonstuff will be added later tonight.

    Mikael

    "Bill Anton" <[email hidden]> skrev i en meddelelse >

    Quoted message said:

    Absolutely. Just bought a digi-cam last month. Unfortunately I don't have a web site set up, but
    I'd be happy to e-mail them to anyone who asks (yes my e-mail address above is legit, spammers
    take the hindmost). Wheels come this week, but I won't have the fork for another week yet 🙁 When
    it comes, I'll post the mfr. & part numbers too. The LBS had to check and make sure the threaded
    portion of the fork went down far enough, since this bike has a pretty short headset tube. The new
    fork should have the correct braze-ons to allow me to use my stock Avid 2.0 V-brake. We'll see. If
    I'm pleased with the results I may even send an article to RCN.

    Bill Anton 2001 Vision R-40 SWB, OSS Lubbock, TX, USA

  16. So how did this work out ? Enquiring minds want to know......

    Coop

  17. [email hidden] (Duncan Cooper) wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    So how did this work out ? Enquiring minds want to know......

    Coop

    Still waiting for the fork to arrive at the LBS so I can build my "poor man's highracer." I'll call
    them today to check on it. Hopefully the braze-ons will allow me to use my existing V-brake. Already
    have the wheel and tire. I'm thinking this mod will lower frontal area, while raising up the fairing
    to the point where I can get my shoulders behind it. It remains to be seen how steering angle will
    affect handling and braking--I'll just have to wait and see. Digipics and a hyperlink will be
    forthcoming soon.

    Bill Anton 2001 Vision R-40 SWB, OSS Lubbock, TX, USA

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