26.4 handlebar availibility

Neal said:

My bike has a Cinelli 1/R stem and Cinelli bars. I converted the bike to
Campy Ergo shifters and all is working well but I noticed the newer type
bars have a different style of bend in them to accomdate the Ergo type
shifters and also a channel for the cables to fit into. I would like to
retain the Cinelli 1/R stem and purchase new bars but I can not find a
source for handlebars that will fit this stem because it uses the old
Cinelli standard of 26.4 clamp size. Does anyone make the newer type bars
to fit this stem or is there a way to shim a set of 26 mm bars?

Do you mean an "anatomic" bend? That's a matter of personal preference, not
related to the type of lever. I prefer a conventional bend myself. The
channel for the cable is no biggie either. I have bikes with and without the
channel, and I really have no preference one way or the other.

I doubt you'll find any new handlebars in the 26.4mm size. If you want to
get new 26.0mm bars, I'd recomment you buy a new stem. NOS Cinelli stems in
26.0mm are readily available on eBay.

Art Harris

Neal said:

My bike has a Cinelli 1/R stem and Cinelli bars. I converted the bike to Campy
Ergo shifters and all is working well but I noticed the newer type bars have a
different style of bend in them to accomdate the Ergo type shifters and also a
channel for the cables to fit into. I would like to retain the Cinelli 1/R
stem and purchase new bars but I can not find a source for handlebars that will
fit this stem because it uses the old Cinelli standard of 26.4 clamp size. Does
anyone make the newer type bars to fit this stem or is there a way to shim a set
of 26 mm bars?

Neal

I'd cut out a piece of a PBR or Highlife can...those work the best <wink>

--
Paul M. Hobson
Georgia Institute of Technology
..:change the words numbers
if you want to reply to me:.

Keep your Cinelli... it is irreplacable. The newer radii/bends are a
pain in the ass, don't fit your grip and never match the drop of your
old Cinelli.

Nothing to buy... move on

Arthur Harris said:

"Neal" wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Does anyone make the newer type bars to fit this stem or is there a
way to shim a set of 26 mm bars?

Beer cans have been used successfully to shim a 25.4 handlebar (GB Map
of Britain) into a 25.8 stem (3TTT Record), to prevent breakage.

Therefore, I believe that that a 26.0 handlebar can be similarly
shimmed to a 26.4 with that all-important bicycle technology, beer
cans.

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA

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Keep your Cinelli... it is irreplacable. The newer radii/bends are a
pain in the ass, don't fit your grip and never match the drop of your
old Cinelli.

Nothing to buy... move on

I thought that the new bends were shaped so that the shifters are in a more
comfortable position and easier to shift. Is this incorrect? I also note that
the bars nowadays are much wider than back in the 80's. A 40 was fairly wide
back then but now many bikes come with 44's or wider. What is the thinking
behind the need for the increased width?

Neal

Neal said:

I also note that
the bars nowadays are much wider than
back in the 80's. A 40 was fairly wide
back then but now many bikes come with
44's or wider. What is the thinking
behind the need for the increased width?

What was the thinking in the 80s that, say, 40 was right for an
average guy?

JT

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Neal who? said:

I also note that the bars nowadays are much wider than back in the
80's. A 40 was fairly wide back then but now many bikes come with
44's or wider. What is the thinking behind the need for the
increased width?

The appeal is a wide swagger and broad silhouette. Look at those
closeups of Lance that we see so often. I expect to see shoulder pads
next. Typically, football players in a lineman's pose look like macho
monsters (300+lbs) compared to the slender wimps that ride bike.

Develop an eye for current bicycle fashion that currently is to look
like ET with shimmering dragon-eyed goggles and flaming helmet. Along
with that (for men), anatomically correct light colored riding shorts
that reveal that you really are a man are IN, much like womens bras
with nipple-like protrusions. Bikies don't have to sit on the
sidelines in this game anymore. We can all vamp.

Jobst Brandt

Quoted message said:

Develop an eye for current bicycle fashion that currently is to look
like ET with shimmering dragon-eyed goggles and flaming helmet. Along
with that (for men), anatomically correct light colored riding shorts
that reveal that you really are a man are IN, much like womens bras
with nipple-like protrusions. Bikies don't have to sit on the
sidelines in this game anymore. We can all vamp.

This is why men should ride recumbent bicycles. Who wants to look at some
guy's ass? I would rather see the back of a seat.

Pacelines are not for me.

--
Sniper Anon

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anatomically correct light colored riding shorts
that reveal that you really are a man are IN,

And that let you speculate on whether someone is Jewish or not.

Jasper

Guru-speak is that wider bar-fit opens the chest enabling the rider to
expand his ribcage thus more O2 uptake.

More important to comfort of shifting is choice of shifter *brand* to
begin with. Shifting is shifting and you need to decide whether you
are a thumb shifter or lever pusher kind-a-guy ;-)

Buying a bar to correct a comfort problem with a shifter is putting the
bar before the shifter...

Quoted post said:

Guru-speak is that wider bar-fit opens the chest enabling the rider to
expand his ribcage thus more O2 uptake.

More important to comfort of shifting is choice of shifter *brand* to
begin with. Shifting is shifting and you need to decide whether you
are a thumb shifter or lever pusher kind-a-guy ;-)

Buying a bar to correct a comfort problem with a shifter is putting the
bar before the shifter...

I don't know about that.

The Ergos and STIs all have a different top profile than the older style levers
and I can verify that they do not work as well with the classic Cinelli bar
shape. I ended up replacing bar and stem to accomodate STI.

If the OP wants to try a double groove Cinelli bar anyway, I've got one I'll
sell cheap.

Ron

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I don't know about that.

The Ergos and STIs all have a different top profile than the older
style levers and I can verify that they do not work as well with the
classic Cinelli bar shape. I ended up replacing bar and stem to
accomodate STI.

If the OP wants to try a double groove Cinelli bar anyway, I've got
one I'll sell cheap.

Ron

Agreeance. I've been toying with getting another bar to replace my
Cinelli 64s because the ramps are too short to get my Ergos mounted as
high as I'd like. I wound up tilting the bars up to get the levers in
the right place, but it makes the drops harder to use.

HOWEVER, It's a French-thread bike, so I'll either have to:
a) shim a 26.0 bar to fit the Cinelli 1A clamp;
b) sand a 26.0 clamp/22.2 quill stem down to 22.0;
c) have the steerer bored out to 22.2; or
d) spend LOTS of money and replace a 531 fork I like, in order to go
threadless.

I'm leaning towards (a) because it's the least likely to change the
handling of the bike (it's a '75 Peugeot PX-10 with its insane ~75 deg
head tube angle - a wrench once told me the bike had obviously been in a
head-on crash, because no bike has steering that steep - he had me
worried until I was able to verify online that yes, PX-10s had insanely
steep steering).

But yeah, Cinelli 64s aren't too good for newer levers because the
levers assume long, flat ramps, which Cinellis don't have.

-HW

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 17:51:42 -0500, Hank Wirtz <[email hidden]>

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RonSonic <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

I don't know about that.

The Ergos and STIs all have a different top profile than the older
style levers and I can verify that they do not work as well with the
classic Cinelli bar shape. I ended up replacing bar and stem to
accomodate STI.

If the OP wants to try a double groove Cinelli bar anyway, I've got
one I'll sell cheap.

Ron

Agreeance. I've been toying with getting another bar to replace my
Cinelli 64s because the ramps are too short to get my Ergos mounted as
high as I'd like. I wound up tilting the bars up to get the levers in
the right place, but it makes the drops harder to use.

Exactly what I ran into.

Have a set of Salsa Bell Lap cross bars that I'm really enjoying, now.

Good luck getting that bike sorted out.

Ron

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HOWEVER, It's a French-thread bike, so I'll either have to:
a) shim a 26.0 bar to fit the Cinelli 1A clamp;
b) sand a 26.0 clamp/22.2 quill stem down to 22.0;
c) have the steerer bored out to 22.2; or
d) spend LOTS of money and replace a 531 fork I like, in order to go
threadless.

I'm leaning towards (a) because it's the least likely to change the
handling of the bike (it's a '75 Peugeot PX-10 with its insane ~75 deg
head tube angle - a wrench once told me the bike had obviously been in a
head-on crash, because no bike has steering that steep - he had me
worried until I was able to verify online that yes, PX-10s had insanely
steep steering).

But yeah, Cinelli 64s aren't too good for newer levers because the
levers assume long, flat ramps, which Cinellis don't have.

-HW

On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 23:40:57 GMT, [email hidden]

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Neal who? said:

I also note that the bars nowadays are much wider than back in the
80's. A 40 was fairly wide back then but now many bikes come with
44's or wider. What is the thinking behind the need for the
increased width?

The appeal is a wide swagger and broad silhouette. Look at those
closeups of Lance that we see so often. I expect to see shoulder pads
next. Typically, football players in a lineman's pose look like macho
monsters (300+lbs) compared to the slender wimps that ride bike.

Develop an eye for current bicycle fashion that currently is to look
like ET with shimmering dragon-eyed goggles and flaming helmet. Along
with that (for men), anatomically correct light colored riding shorts
that reveal that you really are a man are IN, much like womens bras
with nipple-like protrusions. Bikies don't have to sit on the
sidelines in this game anymore. We can all vamp.

Jobst Brandt

Sir,

You have outdone even yourself. All truer than true, if such is
possible... LOL. You're right, the glasses do look like dragon-eyes. I
haven't been able to precisely know what that "look" was until now,
but you've identified it.

My nine-year old nephew goes for bulging muscleman-hulk dolls, such as
the linemen you mention. Actually, dolls for boys were renamed as
"action figures" by the guy who invented G.I. Joe, and sales took off
amongst males. A new market opened up. Bike poses and overdeveloped
imaginations are just as active amongst many older boys today.

Geezer Boy Who

Neal, I take it you wish to retain the vintage style look with a
conventional bend 26.4mm bar, but wish double grooves compatible with
ergo, correct? Not a problem at all!

Goto: www.ridecampy.com

There, scroll down to Cinelli Bars, and things.
I myself don't care for the newer anatomic bars, and have dealt with
Gishallo for 2 pairs of Cinelli Campione Del Mondo Bars with no
problems. They have the 26.4 with double grooves for Ergo, (they are
labeled DG for double groove) Ergos work just fine on them.
They have virtually any width you want. Remember, Cinelli's are measured
in width from center to center, not end to end.
Hope this was what you were looking for, Mark

Sniper Anon said:

Quoted message said:

Develop an eye for current bicycle fashion that currently is to look
like ET with shimmering dragon-eyed goggles and flaming helmet.
Along with that (for men), anatomically correct light colored riding
shorts that reveal that you really are a man are IN, much like
womens bras with nipple-like protrusions. Bikies don't have to sit
on the sidelines in this game anymore. We can all vamp.

This is why men should ride recumbent bicycles. Who wants to look at
some guy's ass? I would rather see the back of a seat.

That many guys? I'm glad I ride with a 50/50 mix.

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training