26" 144 spoke wheels

Lee Bales" <"lee"@bales2003.free\"removethis\ popped their head over
the parapet saw what was going on and said

Quoted message said:

Hi

Just purchased a beach cruiser bike, I like it but its has the
standard wheels on, Ive been trying to find a UK source for 26" 144
spoke wheels? online will be fine, ive found many sources in
the US but am
trying to avoid the high shipping and import duty.

Thanks for the help

Regards

Lee

144 spoke wheels, must be a REALLY rough beack rofl

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soup said:

144 spoke wheels, must be a REALLY rough beack rofl

Look at this - he's not joking. Never seen any in the flesh though!

http://www.rcoc.co.uk/Choptrad/lowrider%20144%20wheels.htm

Zog The Undeniable said:

soup said:

144 spoke wheels, must be a REALLY rough beack rofl

Look at this - he's not joking. Never seen any in the flesh though!

http://www.rcoc.co.uk/Choptrad/lowrider%20144%20wheels.htm

Hi

Yeah I was serious!

Its not about the roughness of the terrain ill be using or the strength
144 spokers have its the look i want. They are fairly popular in the USA

http://www.megalowrider.com/Item/W2099.htm

Its either that or 26" 72 spoke fan wheels -

http://www.megalowrider.com/Item/W2044.htm

Once again if anyone knows of a UK dealer id be glad of the info.

Many thanks

Lee

in message <[email hidden]>, Lee Bales

(''lee'@bales2003.free\'removethis\'serve.co.uk') said:

Hi

Just purchased a beach cruiser bike, I like it but its has the
standard wheels on, Ive been trying to find a UK source for 26" 144
spoke wheels?
online will be fine, ive found many sources in the US but am
trying to avoid the high shipping and import duty.

Do you *really* mean 144 spokes? I think it would be impossible to build
such a wheel. That would be one spoke every 0.56 inches all round the
rim, and you couldn't get a spoke key in.

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Simon Brooke said:

Do you *really* mean 144 spokes? I think it would be impossible to build
such a wheel. That would be one spoke every 0.56 inches all round the
rim, and you couldn't get a spoke key in.

Hi Simon,

Yeah I really mean it look -
http://www.megalowrider.com/Item/W2099.htm

Lee

On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 11:27:42 +0100, Lee Bales

lee'@bales2003.free\'removethis\'serve.co.uk () said:

Simon Brooke said:

Do you *really* mean 144 spokes? I think it would be impossible to build
such a wheel. That would be one spoke every 0.56 inches all round the
rim, and you couldn't get a spoke key in.

Hi Simon,

Yeah I really mean it look -
http://www.megalowrider.com/Item/W2099.htm

They're quite popular round here. I've even seen a tandem version.
Good luck with the search, Lee. Love the look of those things. :-)

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Matt K
Waikikamukau,NZ

On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 10:55:29 +0100, Lee Bales

lee'@bales2003.free\'removethis\'serve.co.uk said:

144 spokers have its the look i want. They are fairly popular in the USA

I'd suggest that you import them yourself. Web and credit card, it's
not that hard to do.

I have seen them for sale in the UK, but only on complete bikes. As I
think they were imported pretty much as a one-off, then that probably
cost nearly as much wholesale as your one-off did.

If you know other people that might be interested in this low-rider
look, then you might be able to sell a few more sets. It might be
worth raising this issue with the US seller, and seeing if they'll
offer you some discount on a shop-window set, in the hope of shifting
more sets later.

You're likely to get stung for VAT and import duty on receipt. It's
worth making it clear to the shipper that this will be calculated on
the declared value and can they please exclude the shipping charges
from that total. There's no sense in paying more than you need to.

--
Smert' spamionam

Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Lee Bales

Quoted message said:

Just purchased a beach cruiser bike, I like it but its has the
standard wheels on, Ive been trying to find a UK source for 26" 144
spoke wheels?
online will be fine, ive found many sources in the US but am
trying to avoid the high shipping and import duty.

Do you *really* mean 144 spokes? I think it would be impossible to build
such a wheel. That would be one spoke every 0.56 inches all round the
rim, and you couldn't get a spoke key in.

Tension the first 36 properly, and vaguely tension the others, which are
only for decoration, just with a screwdriver from the outside of the rim
using the slot in the nipple? (You could maybe even do 72 properly, or 48
doing every third one if 72 is too crowded).

(I vaguely remember hearing that Jaguar moved to solid wheels because an
E-type needed more spokes on a wire wheel than would fit.

As an alternative something like
http://www.terminalvelocity.demon.co.uk/WheelBuild/3leading.htm
could give you a different look on a standard wheel.

in message <[email hidden]>, Alan Braggins

(') said:

As an alternative something like
http://www.terminalvelocity.demon.co.uk/WheelBuild/3leading.htm
could give you a different look on a standard wheel.

[three leading, three trailing]

Does anyone know why the spokes in this wheel are interwoven? Does the
interweaving add anything structurally, or is it just aesthetic? If the
'outside' spokes just ran outside the 'inside' spokes all the way to
the rim it would make lacing much easier, and replacing broken spokes a
bit easier.

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Simon Brooke said:

Quoted message said:

As an alternative something like
http://www.terminalvelocity.demon.co.uk/WheelBuild/3leading.htm
could give you a different look on a standard wheel.

Does anyone know why the spokes in this wheel are interwoven? Does the
interweaving add anything structurally, or is it just aesthetic? If the
'outside' spokes just ran outside the 'inside' spokes all the way to
the rim it would make lacing much easier, and replacing broken spokes a
bit easier.

I don't think interlacing is worth the trouble in 3-leading-3-trailing.
I've had good results without interlace; see
http://www.qnet.com/~crux/wheel.html

To quote from Jobst Brandt's book, "Interlaced spokes take up each
others slack during severe radial loading and reduce the chance of
spokes becoming loose." How important that is depends on the spoke
count, your weight, your riding habits, whether it's a dished wheel,
and so on. I haven't had a problem with spokes going slack in a
non-interlaced 36-spoke front wheel.

Tom Ace

Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Alan Braggins

(') said:

As an alternative something like
http://www.terminalvelocity.demon.co.uk/WheelBuild/3leading.htm
could give you a different look on a standard wheel.

[three leading, three trailing]

Does anyone know why the spokes in this wheel are interwoven? Does the
interweaving add anything structurally, or is it just aesthetic? If the
'outside' spokes just ran outside the 'inside' spokes all the way to
the rim it would make lacing much easier, and replacing broken spokes a
bit easier.

I Don't know why, but I built a set of wheels three leading three trailing
following an even slightly more interlaced picture at:
http://www.stormpages.com/spokeanwheel/lacingcl.htm
Building was fairly easy, took me about two hours to do the front and
about an hour to do the back. I don't know how hard it would be to
replace a spoke but so far I have around 3000 incident free miles on
front and rear and I weigh about 1050 newtons mass.

in message said:

Simon Brooke said:

Quoted message said:

As an alternative something like
http://www.terminalvelocity.demon.co.uk/WheelBuild/3leading.htm
could give you a different look on a standard wheel.

Does anyone know why the spokes in this wheel are interwoven? Does
the interweaving add anything structurally, or is it just aesthetic?
If the 'outside' spokes just ran outside the 'inside' spokes all the
way to the rim it would make lacing much easier, and replacing broken
spokes a bit easier.

I don't think interlacing is worth the trouble in
3-leading-3-trailing. I've had good results without interlace; see
http://www.qnet.com/~crux/wheel.html

To quote from Jobst Brandt's book, "Interlaced spokes take up each
others slack during severe radial loading and reduce the chance of
spokes becoming loose." How important that is depends on the spoke
count, your weight, your riding habits, whether it's a dished wheel,
and so on. I haven't had a problem with spokes going slack in a
non-interlaced 36-spoke front wheel.

Thanks; that's kind of what I expected.

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in message <[email hidden]>, Jim Smith

(') said:

Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Alan

Braggins (') said:

As an alternative something like
http://www.terminalvelocity.demon.co.uk/WheelBuild/3leading.htm
could give you a different look on a standard wheel.

[three leading, three trailing]

Does anyone know why the spokes in this wheel are interwoven? Does
the interweaving add anything structurally, or is it just aesthetic?
If the 'outside' spokes just ran outside the 'inside' spokes all the
way to the rim it would make lacing much easier, and replacing broken
spokes a bit easier.

I Don't know why, but I built a set of wheels three leading three
trailing following an even slightly more interlaced picture at:
http://www.stormpages.com/spokeanwheel/lacingcl.htm
Building was fairly easy, took me about two hours to do the front and
about an hour to do the back. I don't know how hard it would be to
replace a spoke but so far I have around 3000 incident free miles on
front and rear and I weigh about 1050 newtons mass.

OK, that site raises another question. On this page
<URL:http://www.stormpages.com/spokeanwheel/lacingsr.htm> the author
criticises the standard half-radial lacing of rear wheels (i.e. with
the radial lacing on the non-drive side) and instead recommends
half-radial lacing with the radial lacing on the drive side. I can sort
of see the logic of this in terms of the trigonometry and the tensions
in the spokes.

So why do most half-radials not follow this pattern? Is there a problem
with transmitting torque along the length of the hub? What are the
countervailing arguments?

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Quoted message said:

OK, that site raises another question. On this page
<URL:http://www.stormpages.com/spokeanwheel/lacingsr.htm> the author
criticises the standard half-radial lacing of rear wheels (i.e. with
the radial lacing on the non-drive side) and instead recommends
half-radial lacing with the radial lacing on the drive side. I can sort
of see the logic of this in terms of the trigonometry and the tensions
in the spokes.

So why do most half-radials not follow this pattern? Is there a problem
with transmitting torque along the length of the hub? What are the
countervailing arguments?

The problem is indeed one of transmitting torque through the hub. In
addition to "wind-up" in the spokes, you would also suffer wind-up in
the hub body. Given that it seems a well-built wheel will not fail until
it suffers some extreme conditions, I would have though that the
proposed half-radial design wouldn't help a great deal, and could make
things worse.

BTW, as far as I'm aware, the half-radial design is basically an image
thing. I don't imagine that there is any practical difference in
strength or rigidity over a full 2X or 3X wheel.

Jon