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  1. Did anyone else see that Lance Armstrong has been selected as one of
    the 25 greatest americans?

    This goes to show you regardless of what that man does on the bike,
    whether he won enough other races, whether he supported george enough,
    whether he is a [censored], or if he is the greatest cyclist of all
    time(which obviously goes to Mercx), the man transends his own person,
    and cycling, and apparently all but 25 other americans. He is the
    imbodiment of survival, of cran, to millions of people. He is who
    millions of people see in the mirror when they are living through chemo
    or mono or a hangnail, "If Lance could do it so can I" they say to
    themselves. So all of you naysayers who think he is overated or
    unworthy, understand the violent reaction you get when you bash him is
    because you aren't just bashing a guy, a cyclist, but you are bashing
    the embodiment, the symbol of the human spirit that we all hope we can
    muster when the time comes and by breaking him down, you are
    essentailly telling as that we could never live up to the heights of
    constitution we think, he has shown us we can achieve.

  2. In the best tradition of Carnac the Magnificent, here is the response
    to this post that you will soon receive from Lafferty:

    Lance does dope and shouldn't be a role model for anyone. He's bad,
    bad, bad and so's Tyler and everyone else who's ever won a pro race.
    They're all dopers and I hate them.

    Thanks,

    Ed

  3. Where can we find the list? Who's number 1?

  4. Quoted message said:

    Where can we find the list? Who's number 1?


    Simon Bolivar

  5. http://tv.channel.aol.com/greatestamerican

    Thgey haven't voted on nuymber 1 yet, but it is at:

    http://tv.channel.aol.com/greatestamerican

    Pretty elite group. The fact that billy graham is in their scares me
    more than a little. Still everyone of them changed the face america,
    granted lance gets a advantage for being a contemporary but just goes
    to show you the profound effect the man has...Apparently Billy Graham
    also has that effect....I will take the doped up, arrogant, selfish
    cyclist, thank you very much.

    Also interesting that Einstein is on there since his great discoveries
    were as a German, by the time he made it here, he was obsessed with the
    Grand Unifyied Theory and failed dismally in the pursuit. Another case
    of a mans persona going far beyond his actual person. Wonder if most
    people know he emigrated relitively late in life.

  6. Quoted message said:

    Did anyone else see that Lance Armstrong has been selected as one of the
    25 greatest americans?

    http://tv.channel.aol.com/greatestamerican

    If Oprah Winfrey is on the list then EXCUSE ME Steve Martin but that is
    bunk.

    I mean, where's Tom Waits?

    Exactly.

    Morgan
    --
    Morgan Fletcher, [email hidden] Oakland, CA, USA

  7. Morgan Fletcher said:

    If Oprah Winfrey is on the list then EXCUSE ME Steve Martin but that is
    bunk.

    I like Gene Weingarten's expert commentary on the topic.

    http://snipurl.com/fi6d AKA
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/24/AR2005052401260.html

    RFM
    Bike blog --> http://www.masoner.net/bike/

  8. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Where can we find the list? Who's number 1?

    Lassie was voted # 1, and Gilligian was # 2.

    Quoted message said:
  9. <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Did anyone else see that Lance Armstrong has been selected as one of
    the 25 greatest americans?

    This goes to show you regardless of what that man does on the bike,
    whether he won enough other races, whether he supported george enough,
    whether he is a [censored], or if he is the greatest cyclist of all
    time(which obviously goes to Mercx), the man transends his own person,
    and cycling, and apparently all but 25 other americans.

    Or it could go to show you that Americans are dumbasses. (At least the ones
    who vote in stupid online polls like this one.)

  10. Well we have to assess a few factors...
    1- This has something to do with AOL, and will thus feast on the
    feeble minds of those who have to pay 20$ a month to understand the
    internet..
    2- The vast bulk of the people listed are in fact, dead. Or at least
    depicted in black and white, giving the impression that they are in
    fact, dead. Which personally, I think has been done to cast more votes
    towards one-nut..
    3-Any list of anything that brings together Muhammad Ali, Bill Gates,
    and George Bush under common threads is obviously suffering from major
    inherent flaws.
    (Only one of the above is a great man, hint, it's not the idiot that
    brought us the blue screen of death, and it surely isn't the one that
    keeps trying to smoke something out..I think he's smoking something
    out..)

    Wrap it all together, and what's the conclusion?? American media is
    trying to ride the Lance wave as long as possible.. He's said he
    retires in a month, at which time he will be moving to texas to become
    a hermit. Perhaps even end up like Kazinsky, mailing people stuff from
    his teeny shack. But until that happens, the good ol American Media
    Engine will continue to beat us over the head with lance lance lance
    lance.... christ.

  11. "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Where can we find the list? Who's number 1?

    The correct answer, of course, is Franklin Roosevelt. The man lead us
    through the nation's worst depression and through the toughest world war.
    This country is great today because we had FDR lead us through the dark
    times. Bush, Clinton, Reagan and Kennedy had it easy compared to what
    Roosevelt had to deal with.

    No, I'm not an old person. I just stayed awake in history class.

  12. In article <[email hidden]>, PanFan <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Where can we find the list? Who's number 1?

    The correct answer, of course, is Franklin Roosevelt. The man lead us
    through the nation's worst depression and through the toughest world war.
    This country is great today because we had FDR lead us through the dark
    times. Bush, Clinton, Reagan and Kennedy had it easy compared to what
    Roosevelt had to deal with.

    No, I'm not an old person. I just stayed awake in history class.

    I predict that someone (GREG!) will disagree with you. Oh yes indeed.

    --
    tanx,
    Howard

    Butter is love.

    remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

  13. Lance is a [censored] head.

    He has never publicly acknowledged that what he has is a genetic gift based
    on how he selected his parents.

    If you are [censored] head, then you may not be a great American.

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Did anyone else see that Lance Armstrong has been selected as one of
    the 25 greatest americans?

    This goes to show you regardless of what that man does on the bike,
    whether he won enough other races, whether he supported george enough,
    whether he is a [censored], or if he is the greatest cyclist of all
    time(which obviously goes to Mercx), the man transends his own person,
    and cycling, and apparently all but 25 other americans. He is the
    imbodiment of survival, of cran, to millions of people. He is who
    millions of people see in the mirror when they are living through chemo
    or mono or a hangnail, "If Lance could do it so can I" they say to
    themselves. So all of you naysayers who think he is overated or
    unworthy, understand the violent reaction you get when you bash him is
    because you aren't just bashing a guy, a cyclist, but you are bashing
    the embodiment, the symbol of the human spirit that we all hope we can
    muster when the time comes and by breaking him down, you are
    essentailly telling as that we could never live up to the heights of
    constitution we think, he has shown us we can achieve.

  14. Fritz M said:
    Morgan Fletcher said:

    If Oprah Winfrey is on the list then EXCUSE ME Steve Martin but that is
    bunk.

    I like Gene Weingarten's expert commentary on the topic.

    http://snipurl.com/fi6d AKA
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/24/AR2005052401260.html

    RFM
    Bike blog --> http://www.masoner.net/bike/

    Thank you, thank you, thank you Fritz! That really hit the spot!

  15. In article
    <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    Did anyone else see that Lance Armstrong has been selected as one of
    the 25 greatest americans?

    How does he rank with

    Alice Waters
    Eat at Alice's Resturant

    Ralph Waldo Emerson
    _Self_Reliance_

    Abraham Lincoln
    _Gettysberg_Address_

    Josiah Willard Gibbs
    His work on the explication of the entropy concept
    is still not yet fully appreciated by physicists.

    Robert Altman
    Unexcelled body of work. Wicked funny.

    William Claude Dukenfield
    "There comes a time in a man's life when he must take the bull
    by the tail and face the situation."

    Stephen Smale
    In a world of specialization, Stephen Smale has always
    been one step ahead
    in dynamical systems, geometry, topology, operational research,
    and mathematical computer science.
    Was awarded the Fields Medal (pure mathematics).

    Clarence "Kelly" Johnson
    Built the SR-71. Just look at it:
    <http://www.paulgraham.com/sr71.html>
    Flew 2000 miles/hour.
    It was capable of flying so fast that it would have destroyed
    itself with the heat generated by air friction at an altitude
    80000 feet.

    John Singer Sargent
    Pick one of his paintings and meditate on it.

    Albert Abraham Michelson
    First US citizen awarded a Nobel prize.
    Finest experimental physicist.

    The authors of the Declaration of Independence, the federalist papers,
    and the United Stated Constitution.

    --
    Michael Press

  16. Howard Kveck said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, PanFan <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Where can we find the list? Who's number 1?

    The correct answer, of course, is Franklin Roosevelt. The man lead us
    through the nation's worst depression and through the toughest world war.
    This country is great today because we had FDR lead us through the dark
    times. Bush, Clinton, Reagan and Kennedy had it easy compared to what
    Roosevelt had to deal with.

    No, I'm not an old person. I just stayed awake in history class.

    I predict that someone (GREG!) will disagree with you. Oh yes indeed.

    Greg's an idiot.

    JT

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  17. Howard Kveck said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, PanFan <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Where can we find the list? Who's number 1?

    The correct answer, of course, is Franklin Roosevelt. The man lead us
    through the nation's worst depression and through the toughest world war.
    This country is great today because we had FDR lead us through the dark
    times. Bush, Clinton, Reagan and Kennedy had it easy compared to what
    Roosevelt had to deal with.

    No, I'm not an old person. I just stayed awake in history class.

    I predict that someone (GREG!) will disagree with you. Oh yes indeed.

    --
    tanx,
    Howard

    Butter is love.

    remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?


    Maybe Greg will, but I'm going to too. Thw War saved Roosevelts ass as
    he was in real trouble before it. He also committed US troops to
    actions against both Germany and Japan before Pearl Harbor and was
    desperate to get us into the war. He had been using the US Navy to spot
    and attack Axis sunmarines as early as 1938.
    What he did to the meaning of our Constitution was a complete disaster
    also. IMO he did more to change the US from a free country based on
    individual rights and responsibilities to "government knows best" nanny
    state than any other force in US political history.
    My original vote was for Teddy Roosevelt, based on his really being
    the first to challenge the corporate Robber Barons and his activism on
    the environment, both of which IMO were more important in the long run
    than anything FDR did.
    Out the 25 they came up with I'd go with Jefferson because he was one
    of the people with the ideas that the country has been based on.
    So yes, I'm disagreeing. I expect Greg to also. IMO FDR belongs on a
    worst presidents list.
    Bill C

  18. If you had really stayed awake you would have realized that FDR was
    totally ineffectual at his depression fighting, in fact some of his
    moves, like production quotas, were absolutely counter productive. You
    have to give him kudos for trying, but ...

    Also pretty much a total pansy when it came to civil rights, much to
    the chagrin of his wife. Traded his sole for the southern vote.

  19. "Bill C" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    IMO FDR belongs on a
    | worst presidents list.
    | Bill C
    |
    Obviously the people living under his guidance at the time disagreed with
    you, since they re-elected the guy 3 times.

  20. trg said:

    "Bill C" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de news:
    [email hidden]...

    IMO FDR belongs on a
    | worst presidents list.
    | Bill C
    |
    Obviously the people living under his guidance at the time disagreed with
    you, since they re-elected the guy 3 times.

    Yep and Bush and Reagan were both elected twice. Reagan in landslides
    and he has a large group that would rank him as one of the worst. I'd
    rank Bush as one of the 5 worst and Reagan as a top 10, but that's one
    of the great things about this country is that we get to disagree.
    Bill C

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