24 KH/Schlumpf as a coker replacement?

Have you read ANY of the several threads discussing this topic over the
last two weeks? Seriously, there is a lot of dialog on this topic.
Poke around a bit, see what people are talking about relative to
Ultimate Touring Machines and the KH/Schlumpf hub. Then maybe post a
question like this in one of those threads to add value to the
discussion, versus just introducing more fragmentation.

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An 'effective' 36" wheel won't travel as fast or as smoothly as a real
36" wheel. All those little bumps and cracks in the road that you
never notice on the Coker will keep you alert all the time. A 24" guni
is not the ideal long distance commuting machine.

However, despite all of that, it is probably the best option for what
you want to do. It certainly should be capable of 100km of road riding
in a day, but you won't feel as fresh as you would have on your Coker.
And it'll stand up to slower more technical sections. It'll win hands
down on which uni I would want to carry around too!

A 26" would probably be a better option, although without knowing the
details of your route, riding style etc I can't make the decission for
you. But it'll be a good compromise. You will, however, need to braze
on the Magura mounts on to a 29" KH frame... or order a 26" Triton!

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You could get this muni
http://tinyurl.com/3j536
and ask them to attach these to it.
http://tinyurl.com/5tlgv
Otherwise attach them youself, the KH/schlumpf hub should fit in the
nimbus too.

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1-wheeled-grape said:

the KH/schlumpf hub should fit in the nimbus too.

No, it won't. The KH/Schlumpf hub needs machined bearing holders so
that it can clamp very very tightly on the knurled sleeve that replaced
the bearing on one side. The Nimbus frames have pressed steel bearing
holders that won't have an exact fit.

STM

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tomblackwood said:

Have you read ANY of the several threads discussing this topic over the
last two weeks? Seriously, there is a lot of dialog on this topic.
Poke around a bit, see what people are talking about relative to
Ultimate Touring Machines and the KH/Schlumpf hub. Then maybe post a
question like this in one of those threads to add value to the
discussion, versus just introducing more fragmentation.

First, I suggest you read my post again. Second, I´m pretty sure I´ve
read EVERY thread about the KH/Schlumpf hub, and not ANYwhere has there
been a discussion about what I´m proposing here. Your reply really is
quite uncalled for.

For the rest of you, keep the suggestions coming!

municycle.com actually has a 26" Nimbus ISIS muni with 42mm machined
bearing housings, but Roland claimed that it still wouldn´t fit the
KH/Schlumpf hub (?) http://tinyurl.com/347rmn

Edit:forgot the link

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Yeah i thought the bearing holders might of been a problem on the
nimbus, but wasnt sure. It's a shame really because that would be a
pretty good uni then. I suppose the triton is another option then but
it will become very expencive with that and the geared hub, but still
an amazingly cool unicycle!!

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semach.the.monkey said:

No, it won't. The KH/Schlumpf hub needs machined bearing holders so
that it can clamp very very tightly on the knurled sleeve that replaced
the bearing on one side. The Nimbus frames have pressed steel bearing
holders that won't have an exact fit.

STM

i thought they'd all moved over to machined bearing holders now? my
nimbus hockey uni and 36 certainly do.

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kington99 said:

i thought they'd all moved over to machined bearing holders now? my
nimbus hockey uni and 36 certainly do.

I know the N36 does (although I'm pretty sure it's 40mm not 42), but I
didn't think the others were. Maybe if your Hocey one is the perhaps
they are all moving over.

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semach.the.monkey said:

I know the N36 does (although I'm pretty sure it's 40mm not 42), but I
didn't think the others were. Maybe if your Hocey one is the perhaps
they are all moving over.

STM

yep my freestyle holders look just like the N36 ones and take the
nimbus ISIS hub so presumably are 42mm

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I feel the need to quote myself here.

muni-sailor said:

municycle.com actually has a 26" Nimbus ISIS muni with 42mm machined
bearing housings, but Roland claimed that it still wouldn´t fit the
KH/Schlumpf hub (?) http://tinyurl.com/347rmn

Edit:forgot the link

What Roland said was: "There is a diameter of 37mm. This diameter is
smaller on a Nimbus frame."

So, people who have the geared 24", how would you feel about riding
100km on a paved road with it? Enjoyable, or is it stretching it?
I would put on a thinner, more road or cross country oriented tyre.

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I personally would not want to do it on a 24" wheel, but I know it could
be done. You can carry the speed, but unless it is really smooth road,
the adjustments required when you hit bumps would take a lot more
energy than on a 36" wheel. Perhaps I just haven't logged enough miles
on mine to where it is comfortable, but I don't see myself riding those
kinds of distances on a 24" wheel, without my legs dying. The whole
point for me is to cover more ground quickly in between the muni
sections. It makes for exhilarating times on single track!

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Thanks for the input!
I´m leaning more towards a 26", but it´s going to get alot more
expensive and complicated that way.

There would certainly be some singletrack on my planned route as well,
but it´s going to be a 1000km+ trip, and I need to be able to cover
some serious ground certain days.
I suspect most people buy the 24" for just the purposes you´re
describing seriousslacker, but my situation is quite a bit
different(hint to tomblackwood).

I need to be able to comfortably carry it on my back while going up,
up, up. So a 26" is really as big as I want to go.

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muni-sailor said:

Thanks for the input!
I´m leaning more towards a 26", but it´s going to get alot more
expensive and complicated that way.

There would certainly be some singletrack on my planned route as well,
but it´s going to be a 1000km+ trip, and I need to be able to cover
some serious ground certain days.
I suspect most people buy the 24" for just the purposes you´re
describing seriousslacker, but my situation is quite a bit
different(hint to tomblackwood).

I need to be able to comfortably carry it on my back while going up,
up, up. So a 26" is really as big as I want to go.

IMHO, don't get a 26" -- it is currently an odd uni size. I think the
decision is simple:

1. If you want to ride any tough muni, get a 24"
2. If you want to ride some muni, cross country trails, and be able to
still climb steep hills, get a 29"
3. If you want a touring and speed machine, get a 36".

..and, get it geared, if you can afford it.

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muni-sailor said:

Let me explain...

I have two insanely awesome projects I want to attempt next year. Both
of them involve a huge amount of climbing and descending, as well as
long relatively flat parts. The second one also involves me carrying
the uni on my back a lot.
I´m considering using a 24" KH/Schlumpf for both trips. But how fast
can you really cruise comfortably with one? And is it feasible to do
100km day after day? On my coker that would be doable, but I´m guessing
it´s a bit different on the small wheel?
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Both trips sounds like a Coker is ideal, but since you have to carry
the uni on your back, a 29'er would probably be better. I don't think
you'll be happy riding your KH 24 on the street.

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I really would recommend a 29er over a 26" for your purposes. Because
there's no really good 26" frame on the market right now, the 29er will
probably not be any heavier than the 26", and you'll be on a better
machine for your long distance.

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One thing worth considering if you're touring unsupported, is that 26"
is the easiest size to get spares for in most remote places.

I did a lot of riding on my 29er schlumpf last year, and whilst it was
great on road, every time I headed off road, I was wishing it was a 26
with a decent sized tyre on. I've done 40 miles on an ungeared 26 (on
and off road) in a day, and it was fine, there's not a massive
difference in size between a big 26" tyre and a 29er, except that the
26" tyre is so so much better for off road. I reckon a 26" geared would
be fine for 60 miles in a day.

You would have to mess with the frame though, I dunno if there's any
stock 26" frames that'd fit. I think Koxx do a 26" frame with brake
mounts, but it probably won't fit the hub.

Having said that, a 29" is typically a bit lighter than 26"+fat tyre, a
bit better on roads, and I've had no problems bunging mine on the back
of my rucksack for big long unrideable uphills.

Personally I'd consider how much off road you'll be doing compared to
road, and how much you mind having to walk the most technical sections,
and go for a 26 or a 29 depending.

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I guess I have to share some info to make it easier for you to help. I
don´t want to say too much, though, as it´s still a good while before
it would be time for it, and a lot can happen.
But when I say that I have to be able to carry it on my back, I mean
carry it for over 3000m continuous vertical. And I´m not starting at
sea level.

I guess I should start looking into a Triton 26" frame, then? I was
hoping it wouldn´t have to come to that. What are they, 400 euro or
something?

Another question. How good are Maguras really? Can I charge down some
really long, serious descents in high gear, and control it with the
brake? I´ve never used a brake on my unis before, because it hasn´t
felt necessary. But for these trips, it is.

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Hey,

My suggestion would be borrow a singlespeed 29'er and decide whether
you feel comfortable doing the kind of technical sections you'd like to
do on that wheel size. Tire choice makes a big difference and the best
tires right now for more technical 29'er riding are new. The WTB
Stout is very good. The new Schwalbe Racing Ralph also looks very
good although I have not yet tried it.

Also think about whether you'd be able to carry a pack with any amount
of gear, on a 29'er on a more technical trail. Wipeouts seem to feel
a lot more spectacular on the larger wheel size. If your main
priority is singletrack, and the point of the gearing is to get between
singletrack, then a 24" may be the better choice. The gearing really
helps with this, although a 24" riding in 36-equivalent mode (2nd gear)
does not feel as stable or fast as a singlespeed 36'er.

For carrying the uni, get a good snowboard pack. They work great and
are very convenient- you can click the uni on and off the snowboard
carry straps very quickly and the carry support is good.

I would put Maguras in the "essential" category for a long multiday
ride- they really help save energy, especially on the 29'er.

Kris

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If you choose to go the 26er route, you could get a KH29 frame, and have
a qualified person install an additional magura mounts in the
appropriate place. The hardware is maybe $20 and it shouldn't cost more
than $50 to have the work done. Still loads cheaper than going Ti.

It would be a better road ride than a 24" although it's hard to say by
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