20mph limits coming

Alan Braggins said:

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"Alan Braggins" <[email hidden]> wrote

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In article <[email hidden]>, DavidR wrote:
> Someone will not literally leap out from behind parked car. And parked
> cars
> don't actually hide pedestrians very well.
Small children can both hide fairly effectively behind some parked cars
and sometimes literally leap out. Which doesn't make it impossible
to anticipate them, at least not always.

The question is, do they lurk in front and then leap out or is it just a
continuation of a run across the pavement - which you should be able to
see?

It's when they lurk behind and then leap out that's the problem. If you
can see them run across the pavement first, that would be one of the times
you clearly should anticipate them.

Ancicipate, stop, then go over and give em a slap for playing chicken....

Ekul Namsob said:

Roger Merriman said:

i did play in the drive nr my parents place, but then it was a old
railwayline thus cars didn't or nor could drive fast.

i'm fairly sure kids used to play in the village in the roads but then
again it's not on the way to any where.

living in hampton as this road isn't a though road kids do play in the
road.

but yes broadly kid's don't the examples above are exeptions rather than
the rule.

i'm 32 to give meaning to the first two.

Between 1977 and 1991, I lived here
<http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Flemming+Ave,+Leigh-on-sea,+S
outhend-on-Sea+SS9,+United+Kingdom&sll=54.162434,-3.647461&sspn=13.45846
4,27.905273&ie=UTF8&cd=1&ll=51.553213,0.649481&spn=0.003482,0.006813&t=h
&z=17&om=1> and, up until I started secondary school, at which point it
became rather uncool, we used to regularly play in and across the road.

Some features that made this reasonably safe was that everyone who had a
car had a drive (next to no-one had two cars) and the road is straight
so people can see a long way down the road.

as it was a old railway line. was good visablity, also the area isn't on
the way to any where.

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The final thing, of course, was critical mass. Loads of us played in the
road. Drivers expected us to play in the road, so they would drive down
Eastwood Road which was designed as a through route and has, as can be
seen from the satellite picture, very wide grass verges on one side.

i think so, where i live in hampton the kids play in the street, so when
driving down to park. that fact that a kid well be behind a parked car
or tree. it is expected.

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One thing I noticed when back in Leigh-on-Sea over Easter was the
significantly larger number of people who walk and cycle there relative
to Preston, where I now live.

i notice more bikes used as transport kingston area than from the
breacon beacons, which considering the differnace in contorlines and
distance isn't really a suprise.

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Cheers,
Luke

roger

DavidR said:

"Matt B" <"matt.bourke"@nospam.london.com> wrote

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DavidR said:

"Matt B" <"matt.bourke"@nospam.london.com> wrote

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> You can only conclude that if you think that "deaths per capita" is a
> reasonable measure of road safety. It takes no account of the amount
> of exposure to the roads that the population experience.
The French publish their stats by department and in 100 data points
giving ready comparisons between rural and urban areas,

Is it on-line somewhere?

http://rp.securiteroutiere.equipement.gouv.fr/onisr/accueil.srv

Thanks - I'll study that when I next get some time.

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Matt B