2005 Dietary Guidelines attacks obesity causing carbs

"Low carb is going mainstream."

Ah, not quite, the new guidelines say eat more carbs as whole foods and
not so many added sweetners, less fat and exercise; but they stress first
and foremost to eat fewer calories.

WASHINGTON (AP) - The government on Wednesday urged most Americans to
eat fewer calories and exercise 30 to 90 minutes a day, updating
guidelines that advised people to lose weight but gave few specifics
on how to do it.

The new dietary guidelines will be used to update the familiar food
pyramid, which most people recognize but few heed. That revision,
expected in the next couple of months, would be the pyramid's first
since it was created 12 years ago. Among the possibilities: the
pyramid could give way to a different shape.

Federal officials acknowledged that much of the advice will not be new
to Americans, who spent millions on diet books trying to lose weight.

"It's really common sense. Do you want to look better? Do you want to
feel better?" Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson said.
"You lower your calorie intake, you lower your carbs, your fats. You
eat more fruits and vegetables, and you exercise. That's as simple as
it can be. That is not too hard."

Thompson noted that two in three Americans are overweight or obese and
suggested that the guidelines are well timed, coming in January, soon
after many have made New Year's resolutions to live healthier
lifestyles.

The guidelines, developed by HHS and the Agriculture Department,
strengthen the government's advice on whole grains, telling people to
choose whole grains such as whole wheat bread instead of refined ones
like white bread or bagels.

People should also eat a lot more vegetables and fruit, particularly
whole fruits and vegetables rather than juices, the guidelines said.
And they recommend three one-ounce servings of whole grains each day,
such as certain unsweetened breakfast cereals, to reduce the risk of
heart disease and help maintain weight.

Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman said the popularity of diet books
and products shows that "Americans are interested in leading healthier
lives, but they want credible, consistent and coherent information to
help them make the best possible choices."

Thompson added that people should not assume that researchers at the
National Institute of Health are going to come up with a miracle diet
pill.

"Every American is waiting for NIH to come up with that pill," he
said. "It's not going to happen."

The government's advice is not really new, but officials see the
guidelines as an opportunity to change people's ways.

"It has been a big problem in the past that basically, the federal
government has published a booklet and then crossed their fingers and
hoped that Americans ate better," said Margo Wootan, nutrition policy
director for the Center for Science in the Public Interest, a health
advocacy group.

"That's clearly not been enough. What we need is significant
investment in programs and changes in policy and the food environment
that help Americans to eat better and watch their weight," Wootan
said.

The guidelines were based on recommendations of a 13-member panel of
scientists and doctors who spent nearly a year reviewing Americans'
diet and health.

The committee said people lead sedentary lifestyles and choose their
food poorly, leading many to exceed the calories they need even as
they fail to get enough nutrition.

Controlling calories - not limiting carbohydrates, as some popular
diets recommend - is key to controlling weight, the panel said.

Also key is daily exercise. The panel recommended a minimum of at
least 30 minutes of moderate exercise - brisk walking or gardening -
on most days.

But it said many adults need to exercise for 60 minutes or more to
prevent weight gain, and people who have lost weight may need to
exercise for 60 to 90 minutes to keep it off.

The panel said to choose fats and carbohydrates wisely. That means
severely restricting trans fat that can clog arteries and eating
fiber-rich whole fruits and whole grain breads. People should eat five
to 13 servings each day of fruits and vegetables, depending on their
age and level of activity, the panel said.

The committee recommended cups rather than serving sizes in many
instances; by this measure, the average person would need 4 1/2 cups
of fruits and veggies to maintain his or her weight.

The panel also said people need to reduce the amount of salt they eat
to about one level teaspoon each day, because salt is linked to high
blood pressure. It said those who drink alcohol should do so in
moderation, about one drink each day for women and two for men.
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Ah, not quite, the new guidelines say eat more carbs as whole foods and

Is it ?

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"You lower your calorie intake, you lower your carbs, your fats. You
eat more fruits and vegetables, and you exercise. That's as simple as

I read "lower your carbs" here...

That said, nobody expected goverment to make Atkins official dietary
guideline 🙂

Anyway, what is presented is the step in the low-carb direction.

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And they recommend three one-ounce servings of whole grains each day,
such as certain unsweetened breakfast cereals, to reduce the risk of
heart disease and help maintain weight.

Three one-ounce serving of whole grains is not that much.

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The panel said to choose fats and carbohydrates wisely. That means
severely restricting trans fat that can clog arteries and eating
fiber-rich whole fruits and whole grain breads. People should eat five
to 13 servings each day of fruits and vegetables, depending on their
age and level of activity, the panel said.

Also note that from what I read, guidelines are dead silent about
meat/saturated fat/diary consumption.

Mirek

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So TC how come you didn't cherry pick the exercise section. Just to
stick this up your butt.

"The guidelines, which follow several years of reports that Americans
are fatter than ever, recommend eating many more fruits and vegetables,
more low-fat milk, more whole grains and increasing exercise to as much
as an hour and a half a day. But some critics question whether they will
make any difference in an increasingly fat America"

"Tonight eat only half the dessert," Mr. Thompson said. "And then go out
and walk around the block. And if you are going to watch television get
down and do 10 push-ups and 5 sit-ups."

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Low carb is going mainstream.

"Among the changes in the guidelines is a call for whole grains to make
up half the grains in people's diets, at least three ounces every day.
The daily servings of fruits and vegetables rose to nine, from five. The
guidelines recommend three cups of low-fat or fat-free dairy products a
day, up from two cups."

It's not low carb it's low simple carbs and no one has had a problem
with that for 20 years. Psst, TC aren't fruits and vegetables carbs or
do you consider them fat or protein. Notice they rose to 9 from 5.
That's raising good carbs or if you want to abuse the use of language as
you do, its "higher carbs are going mainstream." You are such
disinformation shill.

-DF

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"TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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some selected quotes:

So TC how come you didn't cherry pick the exercise section. Just to
stick this up your butt.

"The guidelines, which follow several years of reports that Americans

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are fatter than ever, recommend eating many more fruits and

vegetables,

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more low-fat milk, more whole grains and increasing exercise to as

much

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as an hour and a half a day. But some critics question whether they

will

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make any difference in an increasingly fat America"

"Tonight eat only half the dessert," Mr. Thompson said. "And then go

out

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and walk around the block. And if you are going to watch television

get

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down and do 10 push-ups and 5 sit-ups."

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Low carb is going mainstream.

"Among the changes in the guidelines is a call for whole grains to

make

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up half the grains in people's diets, at least three ounces every

day.

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The daily servings of fruits and vegetables rose to nine, from five.

The

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guidelines recommend three cups of low-fat or fat-free dairy products

a

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day, up from two cups."

It's not low carb it's low simple carbs and no one has had a problem
with that for 20 years. Psst, TC aren't fruits and vegetables carbs

or

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do you consider them fat or protein. Notice they rose to 9 from 5.
That's raising good carbs or if you want to abuse the use of language

as

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you do, its "higher carbs are going mainstream." You are such
disinformation shill.

-DF

Fruits and vegetables are low-carb-density carbs and are the carbs that
one eats on a low-carb diet, as opposed to sugars, starches and other
refined carbs. Like I said, the mainstream has picked up on the
low-carb paradigm.

Pretty amazing turn of events.

TC

TC said:

Doug Freese said:

"TC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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some selected quotes:

So TC how come you didn't cherry pick the exercise section. Just to
stick this up your butt.

"The guidelines, which follow several years of reports that

Americans

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are fatter than ever, recommend eating many more fruits and

vegetables,

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more low-fat milk, more whole grains and increasing exercise to as

much

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as an hour and a half a day. But some critics question whether they

will

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make any difference in an increasingly fat America"

"Tonight eat only half the dessert," Mr. Thompson said. "And then

go

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out

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and walk around the block. And if you are going to watch television

get

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down and do 10 push-ups and 5 sit-ups."

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Low carb is going mainstream.

"Among the changes in the guidelines is a call for whole grains to

make

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up half the grains in people's diets, at least three ounces every

day.

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The daily servings of fruits and vegetables rose to nine, from

five.

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The

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guidelines recommend three cups of low-fat or fat-free dairy

products

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day, up from two cups."

It's not low carb it's low simple carbs and no one has had a

problem

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with that for 20 years. Psst, TC aren't fruits and vegetables carbs

or

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do you consider them fat or protein. Notice they rose to 9 from 5.
That's raising good carbs or if you want to abuse the use of

language

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as

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you do, its "higher carbs are going mainstream." You are such
disinformation shill.

-DF

Fruits and vegetables are low-carb-density carbs and are the carbs

that

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one eats on a low-carb diet, as opposed to sugars, starches and other
refined carbs. Like I said, the mainstream has picked up on the
low-carb paradigm.

Pretty amazing turn of events.

TC

Headline:

"Dietary guidelines recommend exercise, less sugar"

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/politics/10629526.htm?1c
This confirms it. US Govt goes low-carb.

TC

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It's not low carb it's low simple carbs and no one has had a problem

Low high-GI carbs and low-carb is the same thing. (Just for your
information, "complexity" of carbs has little to do with glycemic load).

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you do, its "higher carbs are going mainstream." You are such

Increasing fruits and veggies should be at expense of high carb zero
nutrient junk, like sugared drinks and juices, as is written elsewhere in
guidelines.

Mirek

"Fruits and vegetables are low-carb-density carbs and are the carbs
thatone eats on a low-carb diet, as opposed to sugars, starches and other
refined carbs. Like I said, the mainstream has picked up on the
low-carb paradigm.

Pretty amazing turn of events."

Na, how many carbs in an medium apple, a banana and orange; around 60.
Now add in that whole grain bread, rice, potatoe with skin, carrots, yams,
beans, etc. that are the whole foods the fda says to eat and one soon
bumps into the 100 g of carbs atkins says to eat. There is no way this
speaks of low carb, it speaks clearly and they say as much of carbs with
max nutritional density. Final word, in your dreams and frantic desire to
spin this into something it is not, flop. As reported, 1/2 of the people
doing low carb a year ago are not doing it now; the consumer has spoken.

"Fruits and vegetables are low-carb-density carbs and are the carbs
thatone eats on a low-carb diet, as opposed to sugars, starches and other
refined carbs. Like I said, the mainstream has picked up on the
low-carb paradigm.

Pretty amazing turn of events."

Na, how many carbs in an medium apple, a banana and orange; around 60.
Now add in that whole grain bread, rice, potatoe with skin, carrots, yams,
beans, etc. that are the whole foods the fda says to eat and one soon
bumps into the 100 g of carbs atkins says to eat. There is no way this
speaks of low carb, it speaks clearly and they say as much of carbs with
max nutritional density. Final word, in your dreams and frantic desire to
spin this into something it is not, flop. As reported, 1/2 of the people
doing low carb a year ago are not doing it now; the consumer has spoken.

"You've just shown in no uncertain terms that you have no clue
whatsoever what low-carb is. Please educate yourself on the topic
before you open your mouth."

Ah, the spin again, I understand that in each edition of his book he has
made some changes. In early versions a less then 100 g of carb was
allowed, I understand in the last this is now fudged to say that in the
final stage add a few carbs at a time which keeps the weight level.
Looking at some online sources one sees 90 as a typical upper limit, no
doubt from the non-fudging days. Any way you cut it, this approach is far
far from the fda approach which makes your claim that low carb is
mainstream silly, I'm feeling charatable today.

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"Fruits and vegetables are low-carb-density carbs and are the carbs
thatone eats on a low-carb diet, as opposed to sugars, starches and

other

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refined carbs. Like I said, the mainstream has picked up on the
low-carb paradigm.

Pretty amazing turn of events."

Na, how many carbs in an medium apple, a banana and orange; around

60.

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Now add in that whole grain bread, rice, potatoe with skin, carrots,

yams,

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beans, etc. that are the whole foods the fda says to eat and one soon
bumps into the 100 g of carbs atkins says to eat. There is no way

this

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speaks of low carb, it speaks clearly and they say as much of carbs

with

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max nutritional density. Final word, in your dreams and frantic

desire to

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spin this into something it is not, flop. As reported, 1/2 of the

people

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doing low carb a year ago are not doing it now; the consumer has

spoken.

You've just shown in no uncertain terms that you have no clue
whatsoever what low-carb is. Please educate yourself on the topic
before you open your mouth.

TC

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"Fruits and vegetables are low-carb-density carbs and are the carbs
thatone eats on a low-carb diet, as opposed to sugars, starches and

other

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refined carbs. Like I said, the mainstream has picked up on the
low-carb paradigm.

Pretty amazing turn of events."

Na, how many carbs in an medium apple, a banana and orange; around

60.

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Now add in that whole grain bread, rice, potatoe with skin, carrots,

yams,

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beans, etc. that are the whole foods the fda says to eat and one soon
bumps into the 100 g of carbs atkins says to eat. There is no way

this

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speaks of low carb, it speaks clearly and they say as much of carbs

with

Quoted message said:

max nutritional density. Final word, in your dreams and frantic

desire to

Quoted message said:

spin this into something it is not, flop. As reported, 1/2 of the

people

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doing low carb a year ago are not doing it now; the consumer has

spoken.

You've just shown in no uncertain terms that you have no clue
whatsoever what low-carb is. Please educate yourself on the topic
before you open your mouth.

TC

100 grams is low carb.

If a person requires 2400 kcals per day, as per most average male
adults. And if we calculate 60% of these calories as carbs we get 2400
* .60 = 1440 kcals of carbs, divide this by 4 kcal/gram and you get
1440 / 4 = 360 grams of carbs per day. This is the current
recomendations. Between 55% and 65% of ones caloric intake should be
carbs, according to the mainstreamers, right? The FDA, NIH, ADA, AHA,
etc, all recomend around 60% carbs.

Please, please, please, educate yourself. It is so tiresome to have
battles of wit with such an unarmed person.

TC

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"Fruits and vegetables are low-carb-density carbs and are the carbs
thatone eats on a low-carb diet, as opposed to sugars, starches and other
refined carbs. Like I said, the mainstream has picked up on the
low-carb paradigm.

Pretty amazing turn of events."

Na, how many carbs in an medium apple, a banana and orange; around 60.

All three together, quite likely.

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max nutritional density. Final word, in your dreams and frantic desire to
spin this into something it is not, flop. As reported, 1/2 of the people

Final word, we are finally not advised to eat more pasta. That is good
achievemnt alone.

Mirek

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Ah, the spin again, I understand that in each edition of his book he has
made some changes. In early versions a less then 100 g of carb was
allowed, I understand in the last this is now fudged to say that in the
final stage add a few carbs at a time which keeps the weight level.
Looking at some online sources one sees 90 as a typical upper limit, no
doubt from the non-fudging days.

Mark, you should once again note one thing. Low-carb is not only atkins.

Mirek

"100 grams is low carb."

Yes, the number I first used.

Now getting back to the point where you assert that "low carb is going
main stream". To which I replied that 3 medium common fruits are 60 g by
themselves and we can add that the max 40 left would be used up by 1
sandwich of whole grain bread. The fda says 55 percent or so in carbs and
of those substitute whole food sources of them to make up the over 300
grams of carbs on a typical diet. 3 peieces of fruit and a sandwich is
nothing like this,ie. the atkins diet is nothing like the fda guidelines,
they didn't say eat fewer carbs but more nutrient dense when possible.
Btw, atkins says to use vitamins and other such on his diet plan to make
up what is missing from the lack of fruits and veggies, far from the fda
saying to eat several fruits and veggies for same. Atkins says to
exercise too.

"Please, please, please, educate
yourself.
It is so tiresome to have battles of wit with such an unarmed person."

Ah, the latter you borrowed from me, thanks; imitation and flattery and
all that, and it does apply here as you repeatably demonstrate,
information you don't have, assertions are endless. Being "educated" is
not what first comes to mind when one reads one of your "offerings", I'm
being charatble today.

"Mathematically, anything under 300 is low carb.
Anytime you recomend less sugar you are going lower carb.
Anytime you recomend whole grain rather than white flour you are going
lower carb.
Anytime you suggest produce rather than empty carb calories you are
going lower carb.
The Dietary Guidelines have a definite trend going towards lower carb."

Show me one example where 300 g is used in one of the standard low carbs
diets, noting that we are now not speaking of atkins as before. As I
recall s. beach goes up to 150 or so. Oh the spin, I must start taking
one of the antimotion sickness pills before reading one of your missives.
"Low" has the usual meaning of less, the fda does not say less but says to
replace as much as poissible whole food sources of carbs for those less
so. Good to see you back off, now the whole hog will put it square. It
seems reading with blinders and wishfull thinking and seeing what what one
wants to see is endimic among of the nutrition theology set. What are
your views on iron anyway? Low carb is not going main stream, it is in
reality losing ground as 1/2 of those using it a year ago have now
stopped. Low carb is main stream in that it works over the long term
because people using it eat less calories and maintain fewer calories at
the new weight level.

Mathematically, anything under 300 is low carb.
Anytime you recomend less sugar you are going lower carb.
Anytime you recomend whole grain rather than white flour you are going
lower carb.
Anytime you suggest produce rather than empty carb calories you are
going lower carb.
The Dietary Guidelines have a definite trend going towards lower carb.
TC

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Low high-GI carbs and low-carb is the same thing. (Just for your
information, "complexity" of carbs has little to do with glycemic load).

on the other hand: glycemic index of any carb has little to do with the
glycemic index of a complete meal containing that said carb.

"on the other hand: glycemic index of any carb has little to do with the
glycemic index of a complete meal containing that said carb."

Or in other words, unless the individual numbers of several are identical
the average will not be the same as an individual item. There is research
looking at the resulting gi based on the effect of the total of parts of a
meal where gi and amounts of each are considered. The individual
contribution makes a difference.