2 Year Ban For Di Luca

[quote="Rolfrae"]uk.eurosport.yahoo.comconi demand year ban di luca.htmlOpen ↗



The ban must be rubber-stamped by a sporting judge and refers to a doping test Di Luca took after the 17th stage of last year's Giro.


Does that meant that he'll be stripped of the Giro title?

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Rolfrae said:

uk.eurosport.yahoo.comconi demand year ban di luca.htmlOpen ↗

The ban must be rubber-stamped by a sporting judge and refers to a doping test Di Luca took after the 17th stage of last year's Giro.

Does that meant that he'll be stripped of the Giro title?

Mazzoleni is in for it as well: uk.eurosport.yahoo.comcalls mazzoleni year ban.htmlOpen ↗Leaves last years Giro podium looking aweful shakey dope wise.

Woo hoo! Andy Schleck wins. Simoni third, or maybe he is second if Eddy M.'s results are tossed.

This year's Giro will be very interesting without DiLuca.

Bro Deal said:

Woo hoo! Andy Schleck wins. Simoni third, or maybe he is second if Eddy M.'s results are tossed.

This year's Giro will be very interesting without DiLuca.

Simoni might finally get his third Giro? That would be one hell of a way to bow out of the sport.

If Di Luca gets tossed what's the hit count on the Grand Tour winners for the past several years then?

Taking the 2007 Vuelta and 2007 TDF out of the discussion it looks pretty bad for anyone winning a Grand Tour and staying above suspicion. Heck, if you put "suspicion" in, Menchov and Contador can be included too.

Well, let's have a look:

2007 Denis Menchov (Rus)
2006 Alexander Vinokourov (Kaz) known doper
2005 Roberto Heras (Spa) subsequently the title was stripped from him and went to Menchov
2004 Roberto Heras (Spa) known doper
2003 Roberto Heras (Spa) known doper
2002 Aitor Gonzalez (Spa) known doper
2001 Angel Casero (Spa)
2000 Roberto Heras (Spa) known doper
1999 Jan Ullrich (Ger) known doper

So that's 7/9 For the Vuelta.

The TdF doesn't get much better.
2007 Alberto Contador (Spa)
2006 Floyd Landis (USA) known doper
2005 LA (USA) By now, who does he think he's kidding?
2004 LA (USA) Various
2003 LA (USA) Positive
2002 LA (USA) Tests
2001 LA (USA) All been covered up
2000 LA (USA)
1999 LA (USA)
1998 Marco Pantani (Ita) known doper
1997 Jan Ullrlich (Ger) known doper
1996 Bjarne Riis (Den) known and confessed doper (a rarity ey?)

So, potentially 11/12 for the TdF, 12/12 if the puerto alegations can be made to stick on Contador.

Giro fairs slightly better

2007 Di Luca (Ita) known doper
2006 Ivan Basso (Ita) known doper
2005 Paolo Savoldelli (Ita)
2004 Damiano Cunego (Ita)
2003 Gilberto Simoni (Ita)
2002 Paolo Savoldelli (Ita)
2001 Gilberto Simon (Ita)
2000 Stefano Garzelli (Ita) known doper (masking agent, 2002 Giro)
1999 Ivan Gotti (Ita)
1998 Marco Pantani (Ita) known doper
1997 Ivan Gotti (Ita)

4/11 isn't so bad by cyclings standards, but for any other sport there would be a massive scandal. Guess that shows how low cycling has sunk. Total dope rate is 25/32. Damn that's bad.

Still, some people do seem to have recognised this, and we can only hope for a better future.

Eldrack said:

Well, let's have a look:

2007 Denis Menchov (Rus)
2006 Alexander Vinokourov (Kaz) known doper
2005 Roberto Heras (Spa) subsequently the title was stripped from him and went to Menchov
2004 Roberto Heras (Spa) known doper
2003 Roberto Heras (Spa) known doper
2002 Aitor Gonzalez (Spa) known doper
2001 Angel Casero (Spa)
2000 Roberto Heras (Spa) known doper
1999 Jan Ullrich (Ger) known doper

So that's 7/9 For the Vuelta.

The TdF doesn't get much better.
2007 Alberto Contador (Spa)
2006 Floyd Landis (USA) known doper
2005 LA (USA) By know, who does he think he's kidding?
2004 LA (USA) Various
2003 LA (USA) Positive
2002 LA (USA) Tests
2001 LA (USA) All been covered up
2000 LA (USA)
1999 LA (USA)
1998 Marco Pantani (Ita) known doper
1997 Jan Ullrlich (Ger) known doper
1996 Bjarne Riis (Den) known and confessed doper (a rarity ey?)

So, potentially 11/12 for the TdF, 12/12 if the puerto alegations can be made to stick on Contador.

Giro fairs slightly better

2007 Di Luca (Ita) known doper
2006 Ivan Basso (Ita) known doper
2005 Paolo Savoldelli (Ita)
2004 Damiano Cunego (Ita)
2003 Gilberto Simoni (Ita)
2002 Paolo Savoldelli (Ita)
2001 Gilberto Simon (Ita)
2000 Stefano Garzelli (Ita) known doper (masking agent, 2002 Giro)
1999 Ivan Gotti (Ita)
1998 Marco Pantani (Ita) known doper
1997 Ivan Gotti (Ita)

4/11 isn't so bad by cyclings standards, but for any other sport there would be a massive scandal. Guess that shows how low cycling has sunk. Total dope rate is 25/32. Damn that's bad.

Still, some people do seem to have recognised this, and we can only hope for a better future.

Ivan Gotti- Ferrari was doctor. Ferrari said gave Gotti iron injections at Ferrara Institute trial. Iron goes with EPO.

Angel Casero-Operacion Puerto cyclist.

snood said:

Ivan Gotti- Ferrari was doctor. Ferrari said gave Gotti iron injections at Ferrara Institute trial. Iron goes with EPO.

Angel Casero-Operacion Puerto cyclist.

Alberto Contador(Spa) goes to see gynecologists in his spare time to discuss his favorite girly bits

snood said:

Ivan Gotti- Ferrari was doctor. Ferrari said gave Gotti iron injections at Ferrara Institute trial. Iron goes with EPO.

Angel Casero-Operacion Puerto cyclist.

Yup Gotti was forced to retire in disgrace. He is not talked about much anymore. That and his rather public spats with Pantani have done little to endear him to the Italian cycling public.

Do we trust that Paolo was clean during his 2 Giro wins?

hawkeye87 said:

Do we trust that Paolo was clean during his 2 Giro wins?

Probably not. But as far as I know, noone's found anything suspicious about his test results or stuff like that.

I have edited this ................consider yourself edited.

I think Savoldelli is/was working with Ferari.

No_Positives said:

I have edited this list for you.

The TdF doesn't get much better.
2007 Alberto Contador (Spa)
2006 Floyd Landis (USA) known doper
2005 LA (USA) No Positives
2004 LA (USA) No Positives
2003 LA (USA) No Positives
2002 LA (USA) No Positives
2001 LA (USA) No Positives
2000 LA (USA) No Positives
1999 LA (USA) No Positives
1998 Marco Pantani (Ita) known doper
1997 Jan Ullrlich (Ger) known doper
1996 Bjarne Riis (Den) known and confessed doper (a rarity ey?)

I knew if I threw out a line over at Morons R Us, you would reappear. Hey, wanna' debate oxymoron over here?

Salvodelli has been on Ferrari's website.

I am shocked over DiLuca. I thought he slipped through the cracks.
😠

Eldrack said:

Well, let's have a look:

2007 Denis Menchov (Rus)
2006 Alexander Vinokourov (Kaz) known doper
2005 Roberto Heras (Spa) subsequently the title was stripped from him and went to Menchov
2004 Roberto Heras (Spa) known doper
2003 Roberto Heras (Spa) known doper
2002 Aitor Gonzalez (Spa) known doper
2001 Angel Casero (Spa)
2000 Roberto Heras (Spa) known doper
1999 Jan Ullrich (Ger) known doper

So that's 7/9 For the Vuelta.

The TdF doesn't get much better.
2007 Alberto Contador (Spa)
2006 Floyd Landis (USA) known doper
2005 LA (USA) By now, who does he think he's kidding?
2004 LA (USA) Various
2003 LA (USA) Positive
2002 LA (USA) Tests
2001 LA (USA) All been covered up
2000 LA (USA)
1999 LA (USA)
1998 Marco Pantani (Ita) known doper
1997 Jan Ullrlich (Ger) known doper
1996 Bjarne Riis (Den) known and confessed doper (a rarity ey?)

So, potentially 11/12 for the TdF, 12/12 if the puerto alegations can be made to stick on Contador.

Giro fairs slightly better

2007 Di Luca (Ita) known doper
2006 Ivan Basso (Ita) known doper
2005 Paolo Savoldelli (Ita)
2004 Damiano Cunego (Ita)
2003 Gilberto Simoni (Ita)
2002 Paolo Savoldelli (Ita)
2001 Gilberto Simon (Ita)
2000 Stefano Garzelli (Ita) known doper (masking agent, 2002 Giro)
1999 Ivan Gotti (Ita)
1998 Marco Pantani (Ita) known doper
1997 Ivan Gotti (Ita)

4/11 isn't so bad by cyclings standards, but for any other sport there would be a massive scandal. Guess that shows how low cycling has sunk. Total dope rate is 25/32. Damn that's bad.

Still, some people do seem to have recognised this, and we can only hope for a better future.

Very interesting list : when you consider that other known dopers like Zulle, Virenque (both Festina) didn't win a GT during the years you've listed - the evidence is even more damning.

I'm curious as to the details on DiLuca's suspicious blood profile. As I understand it, he is not being busted for a specific banned substance, but rather suspicious hormone levels (but presumably not abnormally high testo). I remember reading about several riders showing hormone levels one would normally expect to see in a small child, but what does that mean? Abnormally low T/E ratio?

Didn't the original reports say there were several riders with suspicious hormone levels? Was that wrong or is DiLuca the only one to take the fall?