2 Wheeled Assault?

Carla A-G said:

I found this post today in alt.motocycle.sportbike. Why are people such
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Subject: I finally got revenge !!
From: Graham

Cyclists that pass me on the right have been pissing me off for years. You
finally get past them ... stop at a light and they squeeze past you again
and your stuck doing 5 km/h for the next two blocks trying to get past them.

FWIW, I agree with the motorcycle rider (sort of) in this case. I
make it a point to never pass traffic at a stoplight / stop sign - if
they'll have to wait to get around me again. On roads where there is
ample passing room beyond the light, it's a non-issue. If there isn't
room, I'll stop behind the last stopped car in line and follow it
through the light (keeping up in a situation like this is hardly ever
difficult).

The "sort of" qualifier is added because I can't imagine a public road
so narrow that there's not room for a bicycle and motorcycle to pass
side by side without "squeezing" (speaks volumes of the lack of
piloting skills of the motorcyclist).

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame

Carla A-G said:

I found this post today in alt.motocycle.sportbike. Why are people such
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wow what a jackass...."I crushed it good!"?? damn. I understand he
found the cyclist at fault, but he's lucky he didn't severely injure the
guy. and he's proud of completely destroying his equipment. sad.

I just completed traffic school last Saturday (mostly a waste of time
but that's another story) so maybe I'm being a little oversensitive but
I doubt it. I would have expected completely the opposite from guys on
motorbikes since they're pretty much like us -- on 2 wheels, and
vulnerable and unprotected from cars. granted I don't ride much on
roads except to get to trails but I still feel nervous on the road some
of the time. for the life of me I can't understand how a motorcyclist
could get "stuck" behind a bicycle. is he really that bad of a rider
that he can't find a way to fit by a skinny ol bike riding next to the
curb? certainly the cyclists he's talking about can't be in the middle
of the road or a whole line of cars would be stuck behind. makes little
sense. by the way he mocks the cyclist in question for wanting to "pass
people on the right"...where else is a cyclist supposed to pass slower
vehicles? does he not realize we're just trying to keep the gears
turning in our tiny little space over there on the right side of the
road. the only time I ever really venture into traffic is if there's a
right turn lane and I'm going straight (then I hug the edge of the right
lane, but check for other traffic first).

I was thinking I should get a bright yellow sticker on the back of my
truck reading "WATCH FOR CYCLISTS" just to make idiots like this more
aware. hey if there's nowhere to buy one I'd just figure out a way to
make my own.

ride safe everyone
b.

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Subject: I finally got revenge !!
From: Graham

Cyclists that pass me on the right have been pissing me off for years. You
finally get past them ... stop at a light and they squeeze past you again
and your stuck doing 5 km/h for the next two blocks trying to get past them.

Today I was riding home from work and one of the little [censored] ran into me
!

I was making a right turn onto a side street off a two lane street. He was
riding in the left lane when the traffic stopped. He figured it would be a
good idea to swing into the right lane and pass everyone. I was already half
way through the turn when he smashed into me.

He ran into my front tire and somehow managed to slide behind my bike ... he
didn't get crushed. But his bike did ... I crushed it good !!!

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Carla A-G said:

I found this post today in alt.motocycle.sportbike. Why are people

such

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[censored]?

Well, the cyclist shouldn't have been passing right-turning traffic on
the right. But we all know that.

However, his really sounds like a deliberate act on the part of the
motorcyclist. Too bad the cyclist was dumb enough to go for the "the
cop agreed to forget the accident report if the guy bought me a new
tire" bit. He could probably take this post into court and get his bike
paid for at the very least.

CC

bri719 said:

I don't ride much on roads except to get to trails

That explains a lot about what follows.

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he mocks the cyclist in question for wanting to "pass
people on the right"...where else is a cyclist supposed to pass

slower

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vehicles?

On the left, like any other vehicle.

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the only time I ever really venture into traffic is if there's a
right turn lane and I'm going straight (then I hug the edge of the

right

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lane, but check for other traffic first).

I imagine your mean time between serious accidents must be very, very
low.

Learn to ride before you see fit to dispense advice, ok?

CC

Corvus Corvax said:

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he mocks the cyclist in question for wanting to "pass
people on the right"...where else is a cyclist supposed to pass

slower

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vehicles?

On the left, like any other vehicle.

maybe we're just talking about apples and oranges here, but I'm not
about to ride out into traffic unless there's a very good reason...if
it's a 3 lane road and the cars in the "#3" lane are standing at a red
light and I'm accelerating (passing them) the second the light turns
green, it's on their right.

if a car in said lane is going 10 miles below the speed limit in the
middle of his own lane, I'm not going to venture around him into the
middle of the road. there's room to pass on the right whether there's a
bike lane or not (the road where I typically ride to get to a local
trail has one...)

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the only time I ever really venture into traffic is if there's a
right turn lane and I'm going straight (then I hug the edge of the

right

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lane, but check for other traffic first).

I imagine your mean time between serious accidents must be very, very
low.

I've never been involved in one, so I guess that would have to be a
negative. in fact I was talking about doing the opposite of what the
rider apparently did in the above example. so which are you saying is
correct? you seem to imply both are wrong...

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Learn to ride before you see fit to dispense advice, ok?

sure thing...maybe you can lecture me about the procedures of riding in
traffic on dirt next.

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Corvus Corvax said:

Carla A-G said:

I found this post today in alt.motocycle.sportbike. Why are people

such

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[censored]?

Well, the cyclist shouldn't have been passing right-turning traffic on
the right. But we all know that.

However, his really sounds like a deliberate act on the part of the
motorcyclist.

"I was already halfway through the turn when he smashed into me."

I dunno, sounds like the bicycle caused the crash. Of course the
information we have is slightly biased, but even the bike cop faulted
the bicyclist.

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He could probably take this post into court and get his bike
paid for at the very least.

Again, even the cop faulted the cyclist. If it was his fault then he
did the right thing by owning up to it on the spot and paying for the
damage he caused.

Sure the moto dude sounds like an ass but in this case I think he had a
right to be [censored].

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The "sort of" qualifier is added because I can't imagine a public road
so narrow that there's not room for a bicycle and motorcycle to pass
side by side without "squeezing" (speaks volumes of the lack of
piloting skills of the motorcyclist).

Most of these crotch-rocket kids have no idea how to ride. We scrape
them up off of the pavement from time to time here. At least the
Harley poseurs are drunk when we scrape them up. Any good
motorcyclist is good at predicting an idiot move and avoiding a crash
by doing so.

That said, it sounds like the bicyclist was in the wrong, even if the
motorcyclist was a lamer, or creep. If one is scofflaw type
commuter/road bicyclist, they must be willing to accept responsibility
for their misdeeds when they go awry.

JD

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Carla A-G said:

I found this post today in alt.motocycle.sportbike. Why are people such
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Subject: I finally got revenge !!
From: Graham

Cyclists that pass me on the right have been pissing me off for years. You
finally get past them ... stop at a light and they squeeze past you again
and your stuck doing 5 km/h for the next two blocks trying to get past them.

FWIW, I agree with the motorcycle rider (sort of) in this case. I
make it a point to never pass traffic at a stoplight / stop sign - if
they'll have to wait to get around me again. On roads where there is
ample passing room beyond the light, it's a non-issue. If there isn't
room, I'll stop behind the last stopped car in line and follow it
through the light (keeping up in a situation like this is hardly ever
difficult).

The "sort of" qualifier is added because I can't imagine a public road
so narrow that there's not room for a bicycle and motorcycle to pass
side by side without "squeezing" (speaks volumes of the lack of
piloting skills of the motorcyclist).

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame

I disagree. I think Graham deserves to be stabbed repeatedly.

One reporter's opinion.

/s

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Most of these crotch-rocket kids have no idea how to ride. We scrape
them up off of the pavement from time to time here. At least the
Harley poseurs are drunk when we scrape them up. Any good
motorcyclist is good at predicting an idiot move and avoiding a crash
by doing so.

We see it here all the time too. All they know about a crotch rocket is to
go straight and as fast as possible. Put these guys on a race track and they
would be dead before completing the first lap.

One thing I learned when I first started to moto was to constantly be aware
of your surroundings and every vehicle around you and predict what might
happen within that instant and be able to react.

- CA-G

Can-Am Girls Kick Ass!

Carla says:

<snip carnage>>Graham

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03' ZX6R

Typical ZX6R rider ;-)

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The "sort of" qualifier is added because I can't imagine a public road
so narrow that there's not room for a bicycle and motorcycle to pass
side by side without "squeezing" (speaks volumes of the lack of
piloting skills of the motorcyclist).

Most of these crotch-rocket kids have no idea how to ride. We scrape
them up off of the pavement from time to time here. At least the
Harley poseurs are drunk when we scrape them up. Any good
motorcyclist is good at predicting an idiot move and avoiding a crash
by doing so.

That said, it sounds like the bicyclist was in the wrong, even if the
motorcyclist was a lamer, or creep. If one is scofflaw type
commuter/road bicyclist, they must be willing to accept responsibility
for their misdeeds when they go awry.

JD

Oh now your a motorcycle expert ? I have two "crotch rockets" and I can tell
you statistically that most motorcyclists I know would laugh at you for that
first statement. Stick to AMB buddy.

A stupid rider on a motorcycle is just that, stupid. It has nothing to do
with age or skill.

Carla A-G said:

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Most of these crotch-rocket kids have no idea how to ride. We scrape
them up off of the pavement from time to time here. At least the
Harley poseurs are drunk when we scrape them up. Any good
motorcyclist is good at predicting an idiot move and avoiding a crash
by doing so.

We see it here all the time too. All they know about a crotch rocket is to
go straight and as fast as possible. Put these guys on a race track and they
would be dead before completing the first lap.

The "Never use the front brake" crowd. And forget counter steering.

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One thing I learned when I first started to moto was to constantly be aware
of your surroundings and every vehicle around you and predict what might
happen within that instant and be able to react.

Well said. I started riding a motorcycle after years of road riding a
bicycle (never heard of a MTB in '78). I knew before the first time I
let out the clutch that I was invisible to everyone else on the road
(cars, other motorcycles, bikes, peds). They're all idiots or function
at that level enough of the time that their actions are your
responsibility if you want to stay upright. If you know this, you're a
long way toward surviving on the road.

bri719 said:

maybe we're just talking about apples and oranges here, but I'm not
about to ride out into traffic unless there's a very good reason...

Typical newbie attitude. You _are_ traffic!

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if it's a 3 lane road and the cars in the "#3" lane are standing at a

red

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light and I'm accelerating (passing them) the second the light turns
green, it's on their right.

If I understand you correctly, this is an excellent way to get
right-hooked.

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if a car in said lane is going 10 miles below the speed limit in the
middle of his own lane, I'm not going to venture around him into the
middle of the road. there's room to pass on the right whether

there's a

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bike lane or not (the road where I typically ride to get to a local
trail has one...)

If he's going too fast to pass on the left, why pass him at all? If you
are going at or over the speed of other traffic, you should be in the
lane like other traffic. Very simple. You move right when you are
slower than the prevailing traffic flow.

Passing on the right is a convenience we all avail ourselves of from
time to time, but it is fundamentally dangerous.

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the only time I ever really venture into traffic is if there's a
right turn lane and I'm going straight (then I hug the edge of the

right lane, but check for other traffic first).

I imagine your mean time between serious accidents must be very,

very

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low.

I've never been involved in one, so I guess that would have to be a
negative. in fact I was talking about doing the opposite of what the

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rider apparently did in the above example. so which are you saying

is

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correct? you seem to imply both are wrong...

My apologies. I interpreted this to mean that you hugged the right of
the _turn_ lane, not the straight-through traffic lane. However, in
this situation you are much better off briefly taking the center of the
straight-through lane, to avoid being pinched between two lanes of
traffic. Only stay to the extreme right here if the lane is easily wide
enough to accomodate you, the straight-ahead traffic on your left, and
the turning traffic on your right all at the same time. Any doubt about
that, and you own the straight-ahead lane. Take it.

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Learn to ride before you see fit to dispense advice, ok?

sure thing...maybe you can lecture me about the procedures of riding

in

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traffic on dirt next.

LOL

My assessment of your riding abilities stands. Hope you learn the easy
way and not the hard way.

Cheers.

CC

Only in New York.

I MTB 2004

Corvus Corvax said:

Typical newbie attitude. You _are_ traffic!

I realize we all have to share the roads (even pedestrians) but I'll
assure you I like to keep an eye on my surrounds and mostly ride to
where I'm going defensively...sure I don't have a buncha mirrors on my
helmet or mirror (lights and reflective clothing yes), but I've been
rear ended twice in an automobile so I definitely know the dangers.

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If I understand you correctly, this is an excellent way to get
right-hooked.

the turn lane is on my right...so no not really. I get out of those
peoples' way and then let them do their thing. I don't even think about
passing them at that point, they're over..done with (unless they're
riding the line or making strange manouvers).

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My apologies. I interpreted this to mean that you hugged the right of
the _turn_ lane, not the straight-through traffic lane. However, in
this situation you are much better off briefly taking the center of the
straight-through lane, to avoid being pinched between two lanes of
traffic. Only stay to the extreme right here if the lane is easily wide
enough to accomodate you, the straight-ahead traffic on your left, and
the turning traffic on your right all at the same time. Any doubt about
that, and you own the straight-ahead lane. Take it.

yes I figured we weren't talking about the same thing necessarily.

the mad "biker" rant was what I was getting very ornery about. he was
pretty vague about what happened and implied none of it was his fault
but P.O.ed in my opinion for not enough good reason. meanwhile if I
saw a guy on any kind of two-wheeled vehicle about to make a very bad
mistake or run into me, I would have tried some elusive measures which
it sounds he had no desire to do. I still want to know how motorcycles
can't share a lane (also implied in the rant).

taking the straight lane is good advice, and I assure you I do. I try
to stay away from right turn lanes unless I'm going that way, avoid
swinging wide, and use hand signals to boot. how do you feel about left
turn lanes?

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My assessment of your riding abilities stands. Hope you learn the easy
way and not the hard way.

you might think I'm some 17 year old kid who just got a shiny new bmx
for Christmas and is asking for trouble, but I assure you I am not :-)
there are obvious dangers to passing on the left as well as passing on
the right. I'm just glad I'm not a full time roadie, I couldnt deal
with that stuff all the time.

at any rate, no skin off my nose. have fun riding...

b.

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ewww :-)

I missed that part....sounds downright frightening.

b.

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Only in New York.

I MTB 2004

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Carla A-G said:

I found this post today in alt.motocycle.sportbike. Why are people
such [censored]?

I wouldn't say he's an [censored]... His attitude is hardly of a malicious
intent. I think it's more of a tongue-in-cheek attitude. I've been lurking
in AMS for 4 years and these are generally affable people, Graham included.

Plus, let's be honest. The cyclist was completely retarded for attempting
to swing around traffic on the right. I did that once when I was younger,
and since I'll never ever ride through intersections in the bike lane. I'll
stop in the bike lane if the light's still red, but 1/2 of drivers don't put
on their turn signal, and 0.5% actually look back to check for oncoming
cyclists.

I'm glad that cyclist got the ticket.

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The "sort of" qualifier is added because I can't imagine a public road
so narrow that there's not room for a bicycle and motorcycle to pass
side by side without "squeezing" (speaks volumes of the lack of
piloting skills of the motorcyclist).

Most of these crotch-rocket kids have no idea how to ride. We scrape
them up off of the pavement from time to time here. At least the
Harley poseurs are drunk when we scrape them up. Any good
motorcyclist is good at predicting an idiot move and avoiding a crash
by doing so.

That said, it sounds like the bicyclist was in the wrong, even if the
motorcyclist was a lamer, or creep. If one is scofflaw type
commuter/road bicyclist, they must be willing to accept responsibility
for their misdeeds when they go awry.

JD

Oh now your a motorcycle expert ?

Show me where I said I was an expert. I've been riding motorcycles on
the street since 1982. Where were you in 1982?

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I have two "crotch rockets" and

What for? Do you ride both of them at the same time?

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I can tell
you statistically that most motorcyclists I know would laugh at you for that
first statement.

Of course you must know all of the great motorcyclists of our time.
Why don't you drop some names so we can all be unimpressed (as usual).
Then again, why don't you back up your claims with some actual facts
and not the opinions of your oh so many friends? Your baseless
assumptions are just as funny in the motorcycle realm. How do you
function from day to day?

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Stick to AMB buddy.

I intend to.

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A stupid rider on a motorcycle is just that, stupid. It has nothing to do
with age or skill.

Thanks for confirming just how ignorant you really are. A less
skilled or less experienced motorcyclist motorcyclist is far more apt
to dump their bike, or get plowed by a full-sized vehicle. What
planet are you from again?

JD

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Thanks for confirming just how ignorant you really are. A less
skilled or less experienced motorcyclist motorcyclist is far more apt
to dump their bike, or get plowed by a full-sized vehicle. What
planet are you from again?

JD

Do you need a hug JD? the milk and cookies offer is still on the table