1500 miles per gallon @ $2.95 per gallon

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1500 miles per gallon @ $2.95 per gallon of gasoline / 20 mile charge
cost .05
Electric bikes typically travel at speeds of 10 to 20+ miles per hour
and go up to 12-20 miles per charge. Charging your electric bike for
four to six hours uses 5 cents worth of electricity from common 110
wall outlets. The electric bike power can give you a break from
pedaling or supply more power when you're going up hill.

http://www.bicycles-electric-bikes.com/bike_to_work.htm

Unfornunately, that 2000 to 3000 miles lifespan for the motor brushes isn't
good.
I could use that up in short order.

Earl Bollinger said:

Unfornunately, that 2000 to 3000 miles lifespan for the motor brushes isn't
good.
I could use that up in short order.

Motor brushes are cheap, a larger concern is costs of replacing batteries.
~

A plain ordinary 10-speed cost $.03 a mile to run in 1971, when I
kept track of it, mostly tires and power train expense.

It must be more today.

Not counting or amortizing the cost of the bike itself, by the way.

--
Ron Hardin
[email hidden]

On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

<[email hidden]> wrote: 1500 miles per gallon @ $2.95 per gallon of
gasoline / 20 mile charge cost .05 (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What does "1500 miles per gallon" mean on an electric bike?

Quoted message said:

1500 miles per gallon @ $2.95 per gallon of gasoline / 20 mile charge
cost .05
Electric bikes typically travel at speeds of 10 to 20+ miles per hour
and go up to 12-20 miles per charge. Charging your electric bike for
four to six hours uses 5 cents worth of electricity from common 110
wall outlets. The electric bike power can give you a break from
pedaling or supply more power when you're going up hill.

http://www.bicycles-electric-bikes.com/bike_to_work.htm

Not in California. The electricity bill is outrageous. Any form of power
purchased in this state is a rip off. Electricity, natural gas, Propane,
Unleaded, anything. I am in a region of natural gas fields but PG&E
charges as much as in Silicon Valley. The electric STARTS at $.13 per
KWhr. and goes up from there. Nothing is cheap.
If you want cheap mileage eat at McDonalds or Taco Bell, max calories
per dollar at the cost of your health, then ride off the calories.
Bill Baka

DougC said:

Earl Bollinger said:

Unfornunately, that 2000 to 3000 miles lifespan for the motor brushes
isn't good.
I could use that up in short order.

Motor brushes are cheap, a larger concern is costs of replacing batteries.
~

Especially since they still get to use lead/acid but the electronics
have to be lead free. The ROHS agreement is kind of a joke in this
context. If the batteries were the ever so much better Lithium, the bike
would be too expensive for any but the rich. NiMH might be affordable.
NiCaDs are on the way out too.
Bill Baka

Bill said:

Quoted message said:

1500 miles per gallon @ $2.95 per gallon of gasoline / 20 mile charge
cost .05

Quoted message said:

If you want cheap mileage eat at McDonalds or Taco Bell, max calories
per dollar

Not really. I figure my average ride takes about 30 kcal/mile assuming
body efficiency of about 25%. A Big Mac has under 600 kcal and usually
costs over $2 making the food cost per mile over $0.10. That's higher
than what it costs me per mile to fuel my car, even at today's gas
prices. OTOH, using PB&J sandwiches as bike fuel brings the cost down
to a much more reasonable $0.03/mile.

peter said:

Bill said:

Quoted message said:

1500 miles per gallon @ $2.95 per gallon of gasoline / 20 mile charge
cost .05

Quoted message said:

If you want cheap mileage eat at McDonalds or Taco Bell, max calories
per dollar

Not really. I figure my average ride takes about 30 kcal/mile assuming
body efficiency of about 25%. A Big Mac has under 600 kcal and usually
costs over $2 making the food cost per mile over $0.10. That's higher
than what it costs me per mile to fuel my car, even at today's gas
prices. OTOH, using PB&J sandwiches as bike fuel brings the cost down
to a much more reasonable $0.03/mile.

Touche.
Bill

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<[email hidden]> wrote: 1500 miles per gallon @ $2.95 per gallon of
gasoline / 20 mile charge cost .05 (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What does "1500 miles per gallon" mean on an electric bike?

Possibly it means the O.P. is clueless?

I understand the aditional cost for brushes this is a brushless motor -
I am looking at my Taurus, I have not driven in 4 months now - cost
used $8995 insurance $1600 year, taxes $300 license $130 inspection
$36 gas if I drove it 3000 miles $442.50
Ebike $600 total including airconditing - ok I am cheap

DougC wrote:
Earl Bollinger wrote:
Unfornunately, that 2000 to 3000 miles lifespan for the motor brushes
isn't
good.
I could use that up in short order.

Motor brushes are cheap, a larger concern is costs of replacing
batteries.

I understand the aditional cost for brushes this is a brushless motor -

I am looking at my 2002 Taurus, I have not driven in 4 months now -
cost
used $8995, insurance before I dive it $1600 year, taxes $300, state
sticker $156, inspection sticker $36, tires $400, battery $90, gas if I
drove it 3000 miles $442.50, oil change $39...fix parking lot dents /
repaint $650 ... and (depreciation)

Ebike motor $500 - bike $150 changed tires $18, lights $28 - including
airconditing - ok I am cheap

DougC said:

Earl Bollinger said:

Unfornunately, that 2000 to 3000 miles lifespan for the motor brushes isn't
good.
I could use that up in short order.

Motor brushes are cheap, a larger concern is costs of replacing batteries.
~

Quoted message said:

I understand the aditional cost for brushes this is a brushless motor -

I am looking at my 2002 Taurus, I have not driven in 4 months now -
cost
used $8995, insurance before I dive it $1600 year, taxes $300, state
sticker $156, inspection sticker $36, tires $400, battery $90, gas if I
drove it 3000 miles $442.50, oil change $39...fix parking lot dents /
repaint $650 ... and (depreciation)

Ebike motor $500 - bike $150 changed tires $18, lights $28 - including
airconditing - ok I am cheap

DougC said:

Earl Bollinger said:

Unfornunately, that 2000 to 3000 miles lifespan for the motor brushes isn't
good.
I could use that up in short order.

Motor brushes are cheap, a larger concern is costs of replacing batteries.
~

If you haven't started your Taurus for 4 months you can probably add
about $40.00 to replace your battery, since it will sulfate after that
long. I drove a Taurus as a loaner when my Mustang G.T. was in the shop
and swore never to buy one of those or a Tempo. Those were so bad I am
surprised they didn't kill Ford. Motor brushes??? You sissied out and
got an electric motor?
Why?
Bill Baka

"Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I understand the aditional cost for brushes this is a brushless motor -

I am looking at my 2002 Taurus, I have not driven in 4 months now -
cost
used $8995, insurance before I dive it $1600 year, taxes $300, state
sticker $156, inspection sticker $36, tires $400, battery $90, gas if I
drove it 3000 miles $442.50, oil change $39...fix parking lot dents /
repaint $650 ... and (depreciation)

Ebike motor $500 - bike $150 changed tires $18, lights $28 - including
airconditing - ok I am cheap

DougC said:

Earl Bollinger wrote:
> Unfornunately, that 2000 to 3000 miles lifespan for the motor brushes
> isn't
> good.
> I could use that up in short order.
>
>
>
Motor brushes are cheap, a larger concern is costs of replacing
batteries.
~

If you haven't started your Taurus for 4 months you can probably add about
$40.00 to replace your battery, since it will sulfate after that long. I
drove a Taurus as a loaner when my Mustang G.T. was in the shop and swore
never to buy one of those or a Tempo. Those were so bad I am surprised
they didn't kill Ford. Motor brushes??? You sissied out and got an
electric motor?
Why?
Bill Baka

There just happens to be a few companies out there that will redo that Ford
for an electric for right at 10k. If all you are using a car for is to
drive back and forth to work then that Gas unit is not the best way to go.

Daryl Hunt said:

"Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I understand the aditional cost for brushes this is a brushless motor -

I am looking at my 2002 Taurus, I have not driven in 4 months now -
cost
used $8995, insurance before I dive it $1600 year, taxes $300, state
sticker $156, inspection sticker $36, tires $400, battery $90, gas if I
drove it 3000 miles $442.50, oil change $39...fix parking lot dents /
repaint $650 ... and (depreciation)

Ebike motor $500 - bike $150 changed tires $18, lights $28 - including
airconditing - ok I am cheap

DougC wrote:
> Earl Bollinger wrote:
>> Unfornunately, that 2000 to 3000 miles lifespan for the motor brushes
>> isn't
>> good.
>> I could use that up in short order.
>>
>>
>>
> Motor brushes are cheap, a larger concern is costs of replacing
> batteries.
> ~

If you haven't started your Taurus for 4 months you can probably add about
$40.00 to replace your battery, since it will sulfate after that long. I
drove a Taurus as a loaner when my Mustang G.T. was in the shop and swore
never to buy one of those or a Tempo. Those were so bad I am surprised
they didn't kill Ford. Motor brushes??? You sissied out and got an
electric motor?
Why?
Bill Baka

There just happens to be a few companies out there that will redo that Ford
for an electric for right at 10k. If all you are using a car for is to
drive back and forth to work then that Gas unit is not the best way to go.

200% agreement on that if work is under 20 miles each way. If you can
get 40 miles on a charge then you are doing great. If you can afford
Lithium rechargeables then you will have half the weight or twice the
range. If you can deploy some solar panels either parked or over your
head for shade you might get a totally free ride. Here in California the
sun tries to cook you all day long in the summer but would charge
batteries a good % most of the day if you rode or parked in the sun. I
don't know why electric / hybrid makers don't get with it. Solar won't
power you at 40 MPH but it will put back a large part of the charge
while you are at work. Most places I have worked think nothing of
letting the employees cars cook all day and sometimes even the CEO has
to cook.
If an electric is $20K to start why not about 2-3 hundred dollars of
solar formed to fit the body? Some minor electronics would take the high
output cells and charge the batteries with the side getting the sun.
Even the shaded sides would put out something in bright daylight. I have
a 15 year old 5" diameter panel that will power a marine RDF, AM /FM/
shortwave / Air / Police radio on even a shady day. I don't take it on
the bike but I also don't have to use up 4 C cells to listen during the day.
Free radio.
Cover a car in 15 years newer technology cells and you have some
charging power. Even if you had an electric bike you could just unfold
the cells and a wire and put them on the sunny side. Change them at
lunch and you should have a full charge for the ride home. Home would be
a night time plug in unless you still had 3 or 4 hours sun left.
It CAN be done. There is some $$$$ involved but if you care about the
oil independence of this country, do it.
Bill Baka

"Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Daryl Hunt said:

"Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message There just happens to
be a few companies out there that will redo that Ford for an electric for
right at 10k. If all you are using a car for is to drive back and forth
to work then that Gas unit is not the best way to go.

200% agreement on that if work is under 20 miles each way. If you can get
40 miles on a charge then you are doing great. If you can afford Lithium
rechargeables then you will have half the weight or twice the range. If
you can deploy some solar panels either parked or over your head for shade
you might get a totally free ride. Here in California the sun tries to
cook you all day long in the summer but would charge batteries a good %
most of the day if you rode or parked in the sun. I don't know why
electric / hybrid makers don't get with it. Solar won't power you at 40
MPH but it will put back a large part of the charge while you are at work.
Most places I have worked think nothing of letting the employees cars cook
all day and sometimes even the CEO has to cook.
If an electric is $20K to start why not about 2-3 hundred dollars of solar
formed to fit the body? Some minor electronics would take the high output
cells and charge the batteries with the side getting the sun. Even the
shaded sides would put out something in bright daylight. I have a 15 year
old 5" diameter panel that will power a marine RDF, AM /FM/ shortwave /
Air / Police radio on even a shady day. I don't take it on the bike but I
also don't have to use up 4 C cells to listen during the day.
Free radio.
Cover a car in 15 years newer technology cells and you have some charging
power. Even if you had an electric bike you could just unfold the cells
and a wire and put them on the sunny side. Change them at lunch and you
should have a full charge for the ride home. Home would be a night time
plug in unless you still had 3 or 4 hours sun left.
It CAN be done. There is some $$$$ involved but if you care about the oil
independence of this country, do it.
Bill Baka

Funny thing. GM was working in ernest on an Electric Car up until 1989.
The abondoned the program. Chrysler already has one that can go up to about
45 mph with a 50 mile range for about 25K. It's pretty basic and a very
fair weather car.

There has been funding to get the price of the Mercury batteries down. They
seem to be the answer that should break the 50 mile range but they are
danged expensive right now. Only NASA seems to be able to afford them at
this time.

Here is a bit of trivia. In the early 1980s the Rare Earth Magnet Motors
were being produced by a firm in Denver. I don't mean the type that makes
the Laptop we know today possible. I mean high horsepower units that were
95% effencient with more than 40 hp. I was in the Mililtary at the time.
I watched the Military put a stop to the production because it had military
application. That motor wasn't introduced until near 20 years later. Now,
it's all over the place and available. I think this set us back at least 20
years by doing this. BTW, the military application was for Tanks to get rid
of all that Hydralics and drives that it uses for it's gun, turrent and
tracks. The funds were never seriously introduced for that project due to
the M-1 Abrams being the hit it is.

It's funny, those same motors are now available from Chinese manufacturers.
Can you spell, screwed again?

Daryl Hunt said:

"Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I understand the aditional cost for brushes this is a brushless motor -

I am looking at my 2002 Taurus, I have not driven in 4 months now -
cost
used $8995, insurance before I dive it $1600 year, taxes $300, state
sticker $156, inspection sticker $36, tires $400, battery $90, gas if I
drove it 3000 miles $442.50, oil change $39...fix parking lot dents /
repaint $650 ... and (depreciation)

Ebike motor $500 - bike $150 changed tires $18, lights $28 - including
airconditing - ok I am cheap

DougC wrote:
> Earl Bollinger wrote:
>> Unfornunately, that 2000 to 3000 miles lifespan for the motor brushes
>> isn't
>> good.
>> I could use that up in short order.
>>
>>
>>
> Motor brushes are cheap, a larger concern is costs of replacing
> batteries.
> ~

If you haven't started your Taurus for 4 months you can probably add about
$40.00 to replace your battery, since it will sulfate after that long. I
drove a Taurus as a loaner when my Mustang G.T. was in the shop and swore
never to buy one of those or a Tempo. Those were so bad I am surprised
they didn't kill Ford. Motor brushes??? You sissied out and got an
electric motor?
Why?
Bill Baka

There just happens to be a few companies out there that will redo that Ford
for an electric for right at 10k. If all you are using a car for is to
drive back and forth to work then that Gas unit is not the best way to go.

Daryl Hunt said:

"Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Daryl Hunt said:

"Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message There just happens to
be a few companies out there that will redo that Ford for an electric for
right at 10k. If all you are using a car for is to drive back and forth
to work then that Gas unit is not the best way to go.

200% agreement on that if work is under 20 miles each way. If you can get
40 miles on a charge then you are doing great. If you can afford Lithium
rechargeables then you will have half the weight or twice the range. If
you can deploy some solar panels either parked or over your head for shade
you might get a totally free ride. Here in California the sun tries to
cook you all day long in the summer but would charge batteries a good %
most of the day if you rode or parked in the sun. I don't know why
electric / hybrid makers don't get with it. Solar won't power you at 40
MPH but it will put back a large part of the charge while you are at work.
Most places I have worked think nothing of letting the employees cars cook
all day and sometimes even the CEO has to cook.
If an electric is $20K to start why not about 2-3 hundred dollars of solar
formed to fit the body? Some minor electronics would take the high output
cells and charge the batteries with the side getting the sun. Even the
shaded sides would put out something in bright daylight. I have a 15 year
old 5" diameter panel that will power a marine RDF, AM /FM/ shortwave /
Air / Police radio on even a shady day. I don't take it on the bike but I
also don't have to use up 4 C cells to listen during the day.
Free radio.
Cover a car in 15 years newer technology cells and you have some charging
power. Even if you had an electric bike you could just unfold the cells
and a wire and put them on the sunny side. Change them at lunch and you
should have a full charge for the ride home. Home would be a night time
plug in unless you still had 3 or 4 hours sun left.
It CAN be done. There is some $$$$ involved but if you care about the oil
independence of this country, do it.
Bill Baka

Funny thing. GM was working in ernest on an Electric Car up until 1989.
The abondoned the program. Chrysler already has one that can go up to about
45 mph with a 50 mile range for about 25K. It's pretty basic and a very
fair weather car.

Basic is all you need to go get groceries. No need to show off with an SUV.

Quoted message said:

There has been funding to get the price of the Mercury batteries down. They
seem to be the answer that should break the 50 mile range but they are
danged expensive right now. Only NASA seems to be able to afford them at
this time.

Mercury is out since it is on the ROHS hit list as a hazardous chemical.
It has been making a mess out of government electronics procurement.

Quoted message said:

Here is a bit of trivia. In the early 1980s the Rare Earth Magnet Motors
were being produced by a firm in Denver. I don't mean the type that makes
the Laptop we know today possible. I mean high horsepower units that were
95% effencient with more than 40 hp. I was in the Mililtary at the time.

I worked with those FOR the military but was never IN the military.

Quoted message said:

I watched the Military put a stop to the production because it had military
application. That motor wasn't introduced until near 20 years later. Now,
it's all over the place and available. I think this set us back at least 20
years by doing this. BTW, the military application was for Tanks to get rid
of all that Hydralics and drives that it uses for it's gun, turrent and
tracks. The funds were never seriously introduced for that project due to
the M-1 Abrams being the hit it is.

It's funny, those same motors are now available from Chinese manufacturers.
Can you spell, screwed again?

You know the oxymoron, "Military intelligence.".
Bill Baka

"Daryl Hunt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Funny thing. GM was working in ernest on an Electric Car up until 1989.
The abondoned the program. Chrysler already has one that can go up to
about 45 mph with a 50 mile range for about 25K. It's pretty basic and a
very fair weather car.

There has been funding to get the price of the Mercury batteries down.
They seem to be the answer that should break the 50 mile range but they
are danged expensive right now. Only NASA seems to be able to afford them
at this time.

While GM (etc.) were messing around with research projects and cars that
aren't well suited to the western market, Toyota (and Honda) thought the
idea was to actually manufacture and sell a practical car.

When my 12 year old Ford mini-van bit the dust earlier this year, I bought a
Prius hybrid. I'm getting 46 actual miles per gallon NOW, not in the
distant future. I'm not at zero emissions (of course, an electric car isn't
either), but I'm lower.

My main regret is that although Toyota does have large manufacturing
facilities in the US, all the hybrids are still made in Japan.

"Mike Kruger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"Daryl Hunt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Funny thing. GM was working in ernest on an Electric Car up until 1989.
The abondoned the program. Chrysler already has one that can go up to
about 45 mph with a 50 mile range for about 25K. It's pretty basic and a
very fair weather car.

There has been funding to get the price of the Mercury batteries down.
They seem to be the answer that should break the 50 mile range but they
are danged expensive right now. Only NASA seems to be able to afford
them at this time.

While GM (etc.) were messing around with research projects and cars that
aren't well suited to the western market, Toyota (and Honda) thought the
idea was to actually manufacture and sell a practical car.

When my 12 year old Ford mini-van bit the dust earlier this year, I bought
a Prius hybrid. I'm getting 46 actual miles per gallon NOW, not in the
distant future. I'm not at zero emissions (of course, an electric car
isn't either), but I'm lower.

My main regret is that although Toyota does have large manufacturing
facilities in the US, all the hybrids are still made in Japan.

46 mpg is nothing special for a small 4 cylinder. Chrysler had one of those
that was getting up to 53 mpg in the 80s. Hybrids are just a stopgap,
nothing more and really aren't much of an improvement.