10 speed cassette

Morg said:

I would like to know the advantages of replacing my worn out 9 speed for a
10 speed cassette.
I know that I also need a new chain to fit this.
Is that all I need or is more to this?...

You will gain the approval of the roadie fashion police by changing to
a 10-speed cassette.

Unless you are a racer who does best within a very narrow cadence
range, there is no real advantage to having 10 ratios in back.

You will need a new shifter for the rear derailer [1], unless you are
using down-tube or bar-end shifters in friction mode only.

[1] S. Brown spelling.

--
Tom Sherman - Here, not there.

Morg said:

I would like to know the advantages of replacing my worn out 9 speed for a
10 speed cassette.
I know that I also need a new chain to fit this.
Is that all I need or is more to this?
Thank You

Need 10s compatible shifters as well

Morg said:

I would like to know the advantages of replacing my worn out 9 speed for a
10 speed cassette.
I know that I also need a new chain to fit this.
Is that all I need or is more to this?
Thank You

The advantage is you will have 10 cogs instead of 9 covering the same
range. For instance Campagnolo 13-26 cassette is
13-14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23-26 in 10 speed but does not have the 18 cog
in 9 speed. Shimano 12-27 cassette is 12-13-14-15-16-17-19-21-24-27 in
10 speed but leaves out the 16 cog in 9 speed. Disadvantages are 10
speed cassettes and chains are more expensive than 9 speed cassettes
and chains.

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I would like to know the advantages of replacing my worn out 9 speed for a
10 speed cassette.
I know that I also need a new chain to fit this.
Is that all I need or is more to this?
Thank You

The advantage to the bike shop is that they can sell you $400 worth of parts
vs. only a $50 cassette. You would need new shifters, cassette and chain.
The derailleurs and crankset can stay. The further advantage to the shop
guys is that they can flog your "leftover, obsolete and worthless" 9-speed
parts on Ebay for a greater margin than they made on the 10-speed components
sale.

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Quoted message said:

I would like to know the advantages of replacing my worn out 9 speed for a
10 speed cassette.
I know that I also need a new chain to fit this.
Is that all I need or is more to this?
Thank You

The advantage to the bike shop is that they can sell you $400 worth of parts
vs. only a $50 cassette. You would need new shifters, cassette and chain.
The derailleurs and crankset can stay. The further advantage to the shop
guys is that they can flog your "leftover, obsolete and worthless" 9-speed
parts on Ebay for a greater margin than they made on the 10-speed components
sale.

For shimano-for Campag, convert the right lever to 10s..about $75.

Just went through this because of problem with some shifters. I should
have just stayed with 9 speed instead of converting.

The chain falls from the 53 to the 39 when in the large combo. I know
it's not recommended to drive in that combo but it never did that with
the 9speed. Functionally, it's as crisp as the 9 speed and you'll get
a just slightly tighter cluster. Worth the extra cost (shifters,
cassette & front derailleur (the FD may not be entirely necessary)?

Not IMHO, however I already plunked down the cash.

Claude

Morg said:

I would like to know the advantages of replacing my worn out 9 speed for a
10 speed cassette.
I know that I also need a new chain to fit this.
Is that all I need or is more to this?
Thank You

C.H. Luu said:

Just went through this because of problem with some shifters. I should
have just stayed with 9 speed instead of converting.

FWIW, I've built myself a few bikes since the 10-speed drivetrains
have been around. All of 'em are (still) 9-speed bikes. In fact, I
still have a couple 8-speed bikes in my stable (including my main road
bike and MTB).

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame

Mark Hickey said:

C.H. Luu said:

Just went through this because of problem with some shifters. I should
have just stayed with 9 speed instead of converting.

FWIW, I've built myself a few bikes since the 10-speed drivetrains
have been around. All of 'em are (still) 9-speed bikes. In fact, I
still have a couple 8-speed bikes in my stable (including my main road
bike and MTB).

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame

OVERKILL...I still use a 7s freewheel...and it's probably 2 cogs to
many. '10s' 2 in the front and 5 in the rear, good enough for Eddy,
good enough for me;-lo

Mark Hickey said:

C.H. Luu said:

Just went through this because of problem with some shifters. I should
have just stayed with 9 speed instead of converting.

FWIW, I've built myself a few bikes since the 10-speed drivetrains
have been around. All of 'em are (still) 9-speed bikes. In fact, I
still have a couple 8-speed bikes in my stable (including my main road
bike and MTB).

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame

For Campagnolo, its more difficult to stay with 9 speed than to go with
10 speed if you are starting from scratch. All of the mail order
places sell 10 speed Campagnolo cassettes ands chains and shifters.
Very few mail order places have 9 speed Campagnolo cassettes and
shifters. I'm aware local shops can special order 9 speed stuff from
QBP, etc. But at 100+% of MSRP, its kind of expensive compared to the
much lower sale prices mail order.

I built up a new bike this year. 10 speed Campagnolo because I had no
extra shifters and the best prices and availability were for 10 speed
Ergo. In 2004 the new bike build was 9 speed Campagnolo because I had
lots of extra 9 speed cassettes and 9 speed Ergo were easy to find.
Currently I'm trying to find some used frames to build up. They will
be 9 speed Campagnolo because I recently acquired some used 9 speed
shifters bought cheap. And I still have extra 9 speed cassettes and
chains around.

If you already have 9 speed parts, especially the shifters, stick with
9 speed. If you have to buy new shifters, go with 10.

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Mark Hickey said:

C.H. Luu said:

Just went through this because of problem with some shifters. I should
have just stayed with 9 speed instead of converting.

FWIW, I've built myself a few bikes since the 10-speed drivetrains
have been around. All of 'em are (still) 9-speed bikes. In fact, I
still have a couple 8-speed bikes in my stable (including my main road
bike and MTB).

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame

For Campagnolo, its more difficult to stay with 9 speed than to go with
10 speed if you are starting from scratch. All of the mail order
places sell 10 speed Campagnolo cassettes ands chains and shifters.
Very few mail order places have 9 speed Campagnolo cassettes and
shifters. I'm aware local shops can special order 9 speed stuff from
QBP, etc. But at 100+% of MSRP, its kind of expensive compared to the
much lower sale prices mail order.

I built up a new bike this year. 10 speed Campagnolo because I had no
extra shifters and the best prices and availability were for 10 speed
Ergo. In 2004 the new bike build was 9 speed Campagnolo because I had
lots of extra 9 speed cassettes and 9 speed Ergo were easy to find.
Currently I'm trying to find some used frames to build up. They will
be 9 speed Campagnolo because I recently acquired some used 9 speed
shifters bought cheap. And I still have extra 9 speed cassettes and
chains around.

If you already have 9 speed parts, especially the shifters, stick with
9 speed. If you have to buy new shifters, go with 10.

9 speed stuff is getting harder to find. However, for those who want to do
mail order, AE Bikes has Mirage ($115/pr), Chorus and Record 9 levers. But,
Record 9 levers at $334 are more expensive than Record 10 ($286):

http://tinyurl.com/y5wh9x

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Mark Hickey said:

"C.H. Luu" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>Just went through this because of problem with some shifters. I should
>have just stayed with 9 speed instead of converting.

FWIW, I've built myself a few bikes since the 10-speed drivetrains
have been around. All of 'em are (still) 9-speed bikes. In fact, I
still have a couple 8-speed bikes in my stable (including my main road
bike and MTB).

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame

For Campagnolo, its more difficult to stay with 9 speed than to go with
10 speed if you are starting from scratch. All of the mail order
places sell 10 speed Campagnolo cassettes ands chains and shifters.
Very few mail order places have 9 speed Campagnolo cassettes and
shifters. I'm aware local shops can special order 9 speed stuff from
QBP, etc. But at 100+% of MSRP, its kind of expensive compared to the
much lower sale prices mail order.

I built up a new bike this year. 10 speed Campagnolo because I had no
extra shifters and the best prices and availability were for 10 speed
Ergo. In 2004 the new bike build was 9 speed Campagnolo because I had
lots of extra 9 speed cassettes and 9 speed Ergo were easy to find.
Currently I'm trying to find some used frames to build up. They will
be 9 speed Campagnolo because I recently acquired some used 9 speed
shifters bought cheap. And I still have extra 9 speed cassettes and
chains around.

If you already have 9 speed parts, especially the shifters, stick with
9 speed. If you have to buy new shifters, go with 10.

9 speed stuff is getting harder to find. However, for those who want to do
mail order, AE Bikes has Mirage ($115/pr), Chorus and Record 9 levers. But,
Record 9 levers at $334 are more expensive than Record 10 ($286):

That's what I mean. And Performance has/had Record 10 Ergo for about
$270 PLUS 10% or 20% off coupons at the same time. With Campagnolo the
9 shifters are more expensive than the 10 speed. Campagnolo 9 speed
cassettes are still considerably cheaper than 10 speed cassettes. And
9 chains are cheaper than 10 chains. I suspect if starting from
scratch, the total cost might be the same between 9 and 10. Then
consumables would be cheaper for 9.

Quoted message said:

http://tinyurl.com/y5wh9x

Quoted message said:

bfd said:

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If you already have 9 speed parts, especially the shifters, stick with
9 speed. If you have to buy new shifters, go with 10.

9 speed stuff is getting harder to find. However, for those who want to do
mail order, AE Bikes has Mirage ($115/pr), Chorus and Record 9 levers. But,
Record 9 levers at $334 are more expensive than Record 10 ($286):

That's what I mean. And Performance has/had Record 10 Ergo for about
$270 PLUS 10% or 20% off coupons at the same time. With Campagnolo the
9 shifters are more expensive than the 10 speed. Campagnolo 9 speed
cassettes are still considerably cheaper than 10 speed cassettes. And
9 chains are cheaper than 10 chains. I suspect if starting from
scratch, the total cost might be the same between 9 and 10. Then
consumables would be cheaper for 9.

Exactly. I wouldn't worry too much about the availability of Campy
9-speed cassettes (at least not for a while). I've got Shimano-spec
wheels that I use for a couple of my Campy 9-speed bikes that work
just fine (and I doubt that they'll stop selling Shimano 9-speed
cassettes for quite a while).

And even though I get all my stuff at dealer price, the price of 10
speed cassettes and chains is off-putting to me, at least as long as I
don't really NEED them.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame

On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:38:39 -0700, Mark Hickey <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Exactly. I wouldn't worry too much about the availability of Campy
9-speed cassettes (at least not for a while). I've got Shimano-spec
wheels that I use for a couple of my Campy 9-speed bikes that work
just fine (and I doubt that they'll stop selling Shimano 9-speed
cassettes for quite a while).

And even though I get all my stuff at dealer price, the price of 10
speed cassettes and chains is off-putting to me, at least as long as I
don't really NEED them.

I'm using up my Shimano 9sp cassettes on my Campy 10 bicycle. I get
very long life out of a cassette because I'm extremely careful about
chain wear. In any event, I expect to be using 9sp cassette for a
long while. I do have Shimano 10 and Campy 10 cassettes and don't
miss whatever gear I'm missing.

Mark Hickey said:

Quoted message said:

Exactly. I wouldn't worry too much about the availability of Campy
9-speed cassettes (at least not for a while). I've got Shimano-spec
wheels that I use for a couple of my Campy 9-speed bikes that work
just fine (and I doubt that they'll stop selling Shimano 9-speed
cassettes for quite a while).

And even though I get all my stuff at dealer price, the price of 10
speed cassettes and chains is off-putting to me, at least as long as I
don't really NEED them.

Agree, several of my friends have actually changed from 10 to 9 because
of the price difference in consumables. As long as 9 speed cassettes
stay in the $50 and under range, and chains can be found under $20, I'm
staying with 9 speed stuff too!