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  1. We have got a cycling newsgroup on the intranet at work and I lifted this
    one from there.........it was the first I had heard about it and it does
    seem a bit excessive to me??
    Gags

    While this is quite an unfortunate incident, my god, get real!! People have
    got to be responsible for their own actions. If this girl was going to ride
    the track it wouldn't have made bugger all difference if the council erected
    a fence. This sort of stuff makes me so mad, if you're that out of control
    on a bike there's a million ways not to commit to a jump. IMHO she had every
    intention of attempting the jump and just stuffed it, sorry but that's
    nobody else's responsibility but hers 13 years old or not.

    Anyone else have an opinion on this one?

    A NSW woman left brain damaged after a BMX accident as a teenager was today
    awarded almost $1.4 million in damages.

    Rhiannon Rigby, now 23, successfully sued Shellharbour City Council and
    South Lake BMX Club in the NSW Supreme Court over an accident at an Albion
    Park BMX track on November 11, 1995.

    The then 13-year-old lay in a coma for nine days after crashing as she went
    over the first hump of the track.

    She sustained permanent frontal lobe brain damage.

    Justice John Dunford found both defendants were negligent because they
    failed to fence off the starting pad and ramp on the track.

    "Such fencing would not be disproportionately expensive and would have
    prevented the plaintiff approaching the first jump at such high speed and
    this would probably have prevented her fall, or at least rendered it much
    less catastrophic," he said.

    However, Justice Dunford reduced the payout by 20 per cent because he said
    Ms Rigby had known of a previous accident at the track only a few years
    earlier where a man had died.

    Justice Dunford ordered the two defendants each pay half of the $1,373,992
    damages.

    AAP

    and this from the ABC Website

    Woman wins $1.4m damages after BMX bike accident A New South Wales woman
    will receive damages of almost $1.4 million after the Supreme Court found a
    south coast council and BMX club were liable for injuries she suffered as a
    teenager.

    Rhiannon Rigby was 13 when a friend dared her to ride down the starting ramp
    at a BMX bike track at Albion Park, south of Sydney, in 1995.
    Ms Rigby crashed her bike and suffered frontal lobe damage which has left
    her with a severe and significant disability.

    She has since been unable to maintain a job and has a young child.
    Supreme Court Justice John Dunford has found that the Shellharbour City
    Council and the Southlake BMX Club which operated the track were negligent
    because the starting ramp should have been fenced off from the public.

    He has awarded Ms Rigby provisional damages of almost $1.4 million, with the
    amount to be finalised next month.

  2. Gags gags_44nospamatnospamtpg.com.au said:

    We have got a cycling newsgroup on the intranet at work and I lifted this
    one from there.........it was the first I had heard about it and it does
    seem a bit excessive to me??
    Gags

    While this is quite an unfortunate incident, my god, get real!! People have
    got to be responsible for their own actions. If this girl was going to ride
    the track it wouldn't have made bugger all difference if the council erected
    a fence. This sort of stuff makes me so mad, if you're that out of control
    on a bike there's a million ways not to commit to a jump. IMHO she had every
    intention of attempting the jump and just stuffed it, sorry but that's
    nobody else's responsibility but hers 13 years old or not.

    Anyone else have an opinion on this one?

    In my opinion, anyone who's injured in an accident or otherwise,
    regardless of fault, should receive income support to the extent that
    they can't work. That way we coud get rid of this stupid situation where
    some people can receive "excessive" compensation and others nothing at
    all.

    As far as excessive goes, once negligence is determined, it would be a
    matter of determining what her earning potential was over the rest of
    her working life. So, as a 13 year old, she'd be entitled to a lot more
    than a 50 year old injured in the same way. $1.4 million over a lifetime
    doesn't seem all that much. She'd probably have to pay her lawyers out
    of that and repay any money received from medicare and social security.

    I don't know about you, but I've done some stupid things in my time and
    fortunately survived. It's just part of being human (or maybe just male)
    to make rash decisions, especially if you are subject to peer pressure
    or wanting to prove yourself. Fortunately you get over it if you survive
    long enough.

    Peter

    --
    Peter McCallum
    Mackay Qld AUSTRALIA

  3. Peter McCallum said:

    In my opinion, anyone who's injured in an accident or otherwise,
    regardless of fault, should receive income support to the extent that
    they can't work.

    Paid for by who (or is it whom, can never keep track of that one)?
    Surely if anyone injured regardless of circumstances gets a payout it
    should be a govt funded payout, not the organisations and their
    insurance companies who are seen as the suckers, or worse yet, poor Joe
    Bloggs who gets sued for some idiot's act of stupidity. Having just
    watched hundreds of people on the news [censored] and moaning about Virgin
    because they happened to be the poor company that was located in a
    terminal with a gas leak (or whatever), I've had about enough of
    everyone lookign for someone else to blame. [censored] happens, and sometimes
    it is even your own fault. The cost of any adventure sport, includign
    cycling (and see the other threads about membership costs and insurance)
    has been absolutely stuffed by this blame attitude.

    DaveB " a little on edge with a shoulder injury and unable to ride, swim
    or run"

  4. DaveB said:
    Peter McCallum said:

    In my opinion, anyone who's injured in an accident or otherwise,
    regardless of fault, should receive income support to the extent that
    they can't work.

    Paid for by who (or is it whom, can never keep track of that one)?
    Surely if anyone injured regardless of circumstances gets a payout it
    should be a govt funded payout, not the organisations and their
    insurance companies

    Agree with you there. something like medicare but enough to cover the
    cost of carers, home modifications, etc. If I was a 25 year old and fell
    off my bike, broke my neck and paralysed, it would be nice to know that
    I didn't have to spend the rest of my days in a nursing home with a
    bunch of old people ready for the final ambulance ride. In the current
    circumstances, unless you can successfully sue someone, that's what you
    have to look forward to.

    I think most people object to people who have been injured receiving
    compensation because the poor old sporting association or council they
    had to sue is made to look like the villain. If there was a no-fault
    system (I think something like this operates in New Zealand), then that
    would stop the tabloids and shock jocks getting people whipped up about
    these things. As you say "[censored] happens" and it's part of life. The
    community should make allowances for that and support people rather than
    subjecting them to a life of misery.

    Peter
    --
    Peter McCallum
    Mackay Qld AUSTRALIA

  5. DaveB said:

    Paid for by who (or is it whom, can never keep track of that one)?
    Surely if anyone injured regardless of circumstances gets a payout it
    should be a govt funded payout, not the organisations and their
    insurance companies who are seen as the suckers, or worse yet, poor Joe
    Bloggs who gets sued for some idiot's act of stupidity.

    If I had a $1 for every time I did something stupid...

    Quoted message said:

    watched hundreds of people on the news [censored] and moaning about Virgin
    because they happened to be the poor company that was located in a
    terminal with a gas leak (or whatever),

    The triathlete at work was stuck in that.. he's very calm though and
    just booked another flight out.. I'd be going mental 🙂

    Quoted message said:

    DaveB " a little on edge with a shoulder injury and unable to ride, swim
    or run"

    I didn't realise you put 'so much' into your study Dave?!?! 😉

    hippy

  6. hippy said:
    Quoted message said:

    DaveB " a little on edge with a shoulder injury and unable to ride,
    swim or run"

    I didn't realise you put 'so much' into your study Dave?!?! 😉

    hippy

    I could accept it if the injury happenned while doing something
    strenuous, but I did it in my sleep! That's the second damned injury
    I've had in my sleep in the past year. Snuck out for a test ride today
    but only capable of riding on the flat or downhill and not much of that
    around here. I'll give it another day and then see the doc.

    DaveB "I want a real injury"

  7. Peter McCallum said:

    In my opinion, anyone who's injured in an accident or otherwise, regardless of fault, should receive income support to the extent that they can't work. That way we coud get rid of this stupid situation where some people can receive "excessive" compensation and others nothing at all.

    Pause for thought, have a gander at this: City's saddled with $10M bike suits. Now, there's unforeseeable accidents, and possibly foreseeable accidents. The NY situation is a absolute clusterfcuk, while without knowing the full details of the BMX accident, I'll agree with Peter, this 'arbitary' method of securing compensation is appalling. The recent ruling in another case in NSW has raised discussion of a no-fault accident compensation scheme, see here, High Court upholds damages pay-out to Bondi victim

  8. On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 at 08:03 GMT, DaveB (aka Bruce)
    was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

    Quoted message said:
    hippy said:
    Quoted message said:

    DaveB " a little on edge with a shoulder injury and unable to ride,
    swim or run"

    I didn't realise you put 'so much' into your study Dave?!?! 😉

    I could accept it if the injury happenned while doing something
    strenuous, but I did it in my sleep! That's the second damned injury

    I don't appear to have posted anywhere on teh UNSENET about my
    shoulder dislocation.

    I was in an physics exam.

    I merely stetched backwards.

    I fainted from the pain (hey, I manage to faint at least twice a year
    (hmmm, I'm overdue) because of something completely woosy happening to
    me, or someone even /talking/ about blood). People gathered around.
    Many were happy for the 15 minutes extra they got on their exam.

    I moved to another room, after sitting in the doctor's rest room for
    an hour, and did the last 2 hours of my exam. I'm sure I got some
    "special consideration" marks in there somewhere.

    --
    TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/
    "I used to be better at logic problems, before I just dumped
    them all into TeX and let Knuth pick out the survivors."
    -- Plorkwort, 26 September 2004 on alt.religion.kibology

  9. On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 at 08:03 GMT, cfsmtb (aka Bruce)
    was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

    Quoted message said:


    Peter McCallum said:

    In my opinion, anyone who's injured in an accident or otherwise,
    regardless of fault, should receive income support to the extent that
    they can't work. That way we coud get rid of this stupid situation
    where some people can receive "excessive" compensation and others
    nothing at all.

    Pause for thought, have a gander at this: 'City's saddled with $10M
    bike suits.'
    (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/282907p-242467c.html) Now,

    "I went over the bump and my wheel came off completely," said Natalie
    Tyler, 29, of Manhattan. "I landed on my head."

    I would suggest your bike is not very roadworthy, but, having said
    that, I think a 1" metal plate is a bit... silly to be putting on a
    bike path. I've complained to council over issues like that.

    --
    TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/
    Just because they are called 'forbidden' transitions does not mean
    that they are forbidden. They are less allowed than allowed
    transitions, if you see what I mean. --unk

  10. "DaveB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    terminal with a gas leak (or whatever), I've had about enough of
    everyone lookign for someone else to blame. [censored] happens, and sometimes
    it is even your own fault. The cost of any adventure sport, includign
    cycling (and see the other threads about membership costs and insurance)
    has been absolutely stuffed by this blame attitude.

    DaveB " a little on edge with a shoulder injury and unable to ride, swim
    or run"

    Strongly agree with your concerns here. After my recent MTB _accident_ I'm
    also suffering the loss of many favouite activities (6weeks on crutches, no
    work, no cycling, snorkeling, skiing? for even longer) due to broken hip and
    strained shoulder. If I was a litigious [censored] I could probably take the
    event organisers to the cleaners and boost my bank account by suing for
    negligence "They should have marked the mud wallow with a sign 'Danger - mud
    is slippery' and put witches hats out"

    Somewhere in the whole scheme of living we are morally required to take some
    responsibility for our own actions in situations where 'common sense'
    indicates that their is some level of risk that we are taking. As far as the
    BMX girl is concerned, speeding your BMX of a high start ramp over some
    jumps has a clear risk of getting significant air, and coming seriously
    unstuck as a result. She was unlucky and got brain damge, the next rider's
    fall may have only been a sprained ankle.

    Taking the local council to the cleaners because of your own risk taking and
    bad luck is morally bankrupt. This is leading to the death of a lot of
    entirely reasonable activities that 20 years ago we would not have thought
    twice about, and accepted the risks involved ourselves.

    Cheers
    Peter

  11. "TimC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "I went over the bump and my wheel came off completely," said Natalie
    Tyler, 29, of Manhattan. "I landed on my head."

    I would suggest your bike is not very roadworthy, but, having said
    that, I think a 1" metal plate is a bit... silly to be putting on a
    bike path. I've complained to council over issues like that.

    Yeah, I thought exactly the same. There is surely a very significant level
    of personal negligence here in not maintaining her bike safely and checking
    it properly before riding. As for the 1" raised plates they are covers over
    expansion joints, much like what we have on our own popular north bank Yarra
    Trail. These have also cuased some crashes. At least the NY path has them
    highlighted with yellow paint - that's got to be good for traction :-)

    For the engineers out there: what is so dangerous about expansion joints
    that they need these metal covers? Wouldn't it be better to leave them open?
    After all, we're surely not going to fall into them. Road bridges everywhere
    have expansion joints and I don't believe they have special steel plate
    covers.

    Cheers
    Peter

  12. Peter Signorini said:

    "TimC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "I went over the bump and my wheel came off completely," said Natalie
    Tyler, 29, of Manhattan. "I landed on my head."

    I would suggest your bike is not very roadworthy, but, having said
    that, I think a 1" metal plate is a bit... silly to be putting on a
    bike path. I've complained to council over issues like that.

    Yeah, I thought exactly the same. There is surely a very significant level
    of personal negligence here in not maintaining her bike safely and checking
    it properly before riding. As for the 1" raised plates they are covers over
    expansion joints, much like what we have on our own popular north bank Yarra
    Trail. These have also cuased some crashes. At least the NY path has them
    highlighted with yellow paint - that's got to be good for traction :-)

    For the engineers out there: what is so dangerous about expansion joints
    that they need these metal covers? Wouldn't it be better to leave them open?
    After all, we're surely not going to fall into them. Road bridges everywhere
    have expansion joints and I don't believe they have special steel plate
    covers.

    Cheers
    Peter


    I feel very sorry for that girl and im sure that 1.4 million is not going to go very far, considering she will have to be cared for the rest of her life and I think everybody seriously hurt like that needs compensation or should be looked after, its called a caring society... things happen sometimes, whether you mean them to or not

    and 20 years ago things were a lot different governments looked after people if they had problems where as people now adays know they have to get money to pay for the costs themselves, you cant compare it to 20 years ago....

    imagine yourself in her shoes ?

  13. "MikeyOz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I feel very sorry for that girl and im sure that 1.4 million is not
    going to go very far, considering she will have to be cared for the
    rest of her life

    I can give her all my sympathy too. It's a tragic event and one where a
    sound level of care should be provided by our governments.

    Quoted message said:

    and I think everybody seriously hurt like that needs
    compensation or should be looked after, its called a caring society...
    things happen sometimes, whether you mean them to or not

    Compensation or proper care? She definitely merits proper care to live a
    reasonable life. What proprtion of the judgement was for 'pain & suffering'?
    Ultimately it was her decision to ride that bike off the ramp. Why should
    the local authority have to compensate her? Or the local BMX club, tour
    company, horse trail riding business... whichever type of litigious event we
    are referring to.

    Quoted message said:

    imagine yourself in her shoes ?

    More than ready to do that. I wouldn't have ridden that bike off the ramp
    into a jump, unless I was experienced with that sort of situation.

    Cheers
    Peter

  14. Quoted post said:


    For the engineers out there: what is so dangerous about expansion joints
    that they need these metal covers? Wouldn't it be better to leave them open?
    After all, we're surely not going to fall into them.

    There's a lot of "depends" in that question that has to be dealt with. But here are some pointers:

    Depending on material, design and climate where the bridge is located an expansion joint CAN reach a considerable width. It won't swallow a vehicle wheel crossing perpendicularly, but it can seriously inconvenience a pedestrian who isn't watching his/hers step. It would also be able to pose trouble for a bike crossing it at an oblique angle.

    The joint in itself might also be of a design that needs to be protected from accumulation of road grime and whatnot.

    That said there are still more or less suitable ways of designing both joints and covers, and these sound like they are unneccesary thick. A 1" plate can take a tremendous load.

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