1:25000 OS Maps

On 4 Apr 2006 03:29:58 -0700, "WheresThePath.com"
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|Does anyone know if anywhere's doing deals on 1:25000 OS maps at the
|moment? or selling below RRP.

Beware of the old non "Right to Roam" issues.
They are and were cheaper than the new ones.
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Dave Fawthrop wrote:

"Beware of the old non "Right to Roam" issues.
They are and were cheaper than the new ones. "

What issues are these? Difference in mapping or cosmetic. I'd have
thought the the mapping would be identical.

JS

Not overly fussed about having slightly out of date maps and not having
the 'right to roam' areas shown, not sure how much right to roam
there is in Reading / Surrounding area. Only looking to replace maps as
I've taken them out in the rain once to often and there's rather a
lot of map missing in the folded corners where it's worn away.

James

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Dave Fawthrop wrote:

"Beware of the old non "Right to Roam" issues.
They are and were cheaper than the new ones. "

What issues are these? Difference in mapping or cosmetic. I'd have
thought the the mapping would be identical.

The new ones show the open access land in a yellow shade so it is easy
to tell where you have a right to wander.

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Does anyone know if anywhere's doing deals on 1:25000 OS maps at the
moment? or selling below RRP.

I know that Stanfords in London had a 3 for 2 offer last week, not sure if
it's still going. Really should get back and grab the Scottish maps I will
need!

Nick

Well, my impression of the local maps up here a bit further north in Oxford
were based on a very old survey and were very out of date with the real
current ROWs. I came a cropper a few times walking on the orange explorer
maps that pre-dated the current.

Rob

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Quoted message said:

Not overly fussed about having slightly out of date maps and not having
the 'right to roam' areas shown, not sure how much right to roam
there is in Reading / Surrounding area. Only looking to replace maps as
I've taken them out in the rain once to often and there's rather a
lot of map missing in the folded corners where it's worn away.

James

Dominic Sexton wrote:

"The new ones show the open access land in a yellow shade so it is easy

to tell where you have a right to wander."

Never bothered me before "right to wander" So I'll use the "old maps"
:-0

JS

On 4 Apr 2006 03:52:45 -0700, "J Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote:

|Dave Fawthrop wrote:
|
|"Beware of the old non "Right to Roam" issues.
|They are and were cheaper than the new ones. "
|
|What issues are these? Difference in mapping or cosmetic. I'd have
|thought the the mapping would be identical.

I have checked the two issues of my local area, and have found that the
"Right to Roam" issues have been updated where things have changed, new
Housing Estates have been added.

The right to roam areas shown in the new issue is IMO of major importance
when walking. There are areas of Right to Roam throughout England and
Wales. This includes areas inside the M25.

Check any area you are interested in via:
http://www.countrysideaccess.gov.uk/things_to_do/open_access/open_access_maps
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Does anyone know if anywhere's doing deals on 1:25000 OS maps at the
moment? or selling below RRP.

Apparently the whole of England and wales has now been republished
http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/media/news/2006/april/accessexplorer.html
so you might be able to barter with anyone selling 'old' stock.

Graham

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Does anyone know if anywhere's doing deals on 1:25000 OS maps at the
moment? or selling below RRP.

Thanks

James
www.wheresthepath.com

Does anyone know how often these maps are properly updated?
My local map still shows substantial buildings (where I once worked, and
visible from a distance) which were demolished around 1990. The land's been
cleared and up for sale for around a decade, but still the non-existent
buildings are shown. (And the local authority were involved with planning
permssion etc. so it wasn't a fly-by-night operation.)
My point is that whilst roads etc. may be updated quite frequently, walkers
often (I assume) need other features for navigation, and I'm reluctant to
spend good money on maps with obvious errors.

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On Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:45:30 +0100, "Malcolm Stewart"
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|"WheresThePath.com" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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|> Does anyone know if anywhere's doing deals on 1:25000 OS maps at the
|> moment? or selling below RRP.
|>
|> Thanks
|>
|> James
|> www.wheresthepath.com
|
|Does anyone know how often these maps are properly updated?

All maps are out of date, because resurveying changed areas takes time, and
putting the newly surveyed stuff onto the digital version takes more time,
worse still printing and distributing paper maps takes even more time.

The digital maps sold by the OS are updated continually as the OS surveys
things which have changed, shortening the above sequence.

The English *paper* OS Explorer maps were all updated over the last two
years. They added the Right to Roam areas and at the same time added
anything they had already surveyed. Even then they did not catch a new
estate just up the road from me.
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Amazon sell them at 20% below list @ £5.99

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Does anyone know how often these maps are properly updated?
My local map still shows substantial buildings (where I once worked, and
visible from a distance) which were demolished around 1990. The land's

been

Quoted message said:

cleared and up for sale for around a decade, but still the non-existent
buildings are shown. (And the local authority were involved with planning
permssion etc. so it wasn't a fly-by-night operation.)
My point is that whilst roads etc. may be updated quite frequently,

walkers

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often (I assume) need other features for navigation, and I'm reluctant to
spend good money on maps with obvious errors.

Every map has errors, or becomes out of date. You couldn't afford
maps that were always 100% correct. Part of the skill of map-reading
is the ability to take into account the reliability and longevity of the
different features.

Fences can be changed very easily but dry stone walls take some
shifting - although they both appear as a field boundary on a map.
Wooded areas can change quite rapidly, as can buildings, but the
underlying contours of the land and water courses don't change in
the lifetime of a map. They are the things you can absolutely rely on.
The rest just give you clues to confirm your initial deductions.

If you encounter an error, email the Ordnance Survey with details.
They use this information to assess whether an area needs to be
resurveyed.

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Does anyone know how often these maps are properly updated?

Properly? Probably never. It seems a very hit and miss affair to me. Two
or three years ago a neighbour had a large pond excavated and that found
its way onto the large scale mapping very quickly but a large barn close
by put up in 1999 has been ignored and an adjacent underground stream
that had escaped its confines for long enough to become a feature on the
map but which was returned underground 10 or so years ago is still shown
on the surface.

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Bitstring <[email hidden]>, from the
wonderful person Dave Fawthrop <[email hidden]>
said
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Quoted message said:

|Does anyone know how often these maps are properly updated?

All maps are out of date, because resurveying changed areas takes time, and
putting the newly surveyed stuff onto the digital version takes more time,
worse still printing and distributing paper maps takes even more time.

The digital maps sold by the OS are updated continually as the OS surveys
things which have changed, shortening the above sequence.

This is a nice theory. However it turns out not to be exactly True.

I was walking through 'Earnwood Plantation' Wednesday .. (SO 677 796)
when I happened to come across the landowner (but no trees). So I asked
when / where the trees went - 'all chopped down and rooted out in 1966,
been arable and pasture since then' he says .. so why is it still
'forest' on the newest OS maps? (even Google Earth or Worldwind can do
better). Unless this is one of those deliberate copyright mistakes ...

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On Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:34:54 +0100, GSV Three Minds in a Can
<[email hidden]> wrote:

|Bitstring <[email hidden]>, from the
|wonderful person Dave Fawthrop <[email hidden]>
|said
|<snip>
|>|Does anyone know how often these maps are properly updated?
|>
|>All maps are out of date, because resurveying changed areas takes time, and
|>putting the newly surveyed stuff onto the digital version takes more time,
|>worse still printing and distributing paper maps takes even more time.
|>
|>The digital maps sold by the OS are updated continually as the OS surveys
|>things which have changed, shortening the above sequence.
|
|This is a nice theory. However it turns out not to be exactly True.
|
|I was walking through 'Earnwood Plantation' Wednesday .. (SO 677 796)
|when I happened to come across the landowner (but no trees). So I asked
|when / where the trees went - 'all chopped down and rooted out in 1966,
|been arable and pasture since then' he says .. so why is it still
|'forest' on the newest OS maps? (even Google Earth or Worldwind can do
|better). Unless this is one of those deliberate copyright mistakes ...

Note that I said "shortening the above sequence"
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Bitstring <[email hidden]>, from the
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said

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On Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:34:54 +0100, GSV Three Minds in a Can
<[email hidden]> wrote:

|Bitstring <[email hidden]>, from the
|wonderful person Dave Fawthrop <[email hidden]>
|said
|<snip>
|>|Does anyone know how often these maps are properly updated?
|>
|>All maps are out of date, because resurveying changed areas takes time, and
|>putting the newly surveyed stuff onto the digital version takes more time,
|>worse still printing and distributing paper maps takes even more time.
|>
|>The digital maps sold by the OS are updated continually as the OS surveys
|>things which have changed, shortening the above sequence.
|
|This is a nice theory. However it turns out not to be exactly True.
|
|I was walking through 'Earnwood Plantation' Wednesday .. (SO 677 796)
|when I happened to come across the landowner (but no trees). So I asked
|when / where the trees went - 'all chopped down and rooted out in 1966,
|been arable and pasture since then' he says .. so why is it still
|'forest' on the newest OS maps? (even Google Earth or Worldwind can do
|better). Unless this is one of those deliberate copyright mistakes ...

Note that I said "shortening the above sequence"

Yeah, but 'wrong 40 years after the event' doesn't appear shortened to
me, unless we assume prior art was completely glacial ....

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"Malcolm Stewart" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Does anyone know how often these maps are properly updated?

Depends what you mean by properly.. The recent revision of England and Wales
included the most comprehensive update you're likely to get for some time.
So if your local map was not updated this time it might not be for some time
to come. There is a heirarchy of importance though, so although a new bypass
is going to be shown, a small housing estate probably won't be. It is simply
not possible to update everything as it would take too long and be too
costly

Graham

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Amazon sell them at 20% below list @ £5.99

And then add £2.75 for postage costs. £8.74 per map. Not really a saving.
Unless you spend over £15 and are prepared to wait an extra 2-5 days for
delivery.

Nick