!05 Shifter Won't shift

Quoted message said:

I have 9 speed Shimano 105 shifters on my road bike. Recently it has become
harder to downshift,(PUSHING ON THE SMALL LEVER) to move the chain to the
smaller cogs. Today it wouldn't dowshift at all. The upshift(larger lever)
jusy moves along with the smaller. Is there a repair I can do? Does anyone
have a 105 or Ulterga 9 speed right side ahift/brake lever for sale?

This can happen if the shift cable is frayed and about to break. Check that
first before giving up on the lever. People do *not* replace those cables as
often as they should; whether Campagnolo Ergo or Shimano STI, the gear cable
wraps around a pretty tight radius inside the shift lever, and 8k miles is
about as far as I'd go before replacing one. Sometimes they'll break sooner,
sometimes later.

If the cable's OK, then try the flush-with-Powerlube trick. Details at the
bottom of this page- http://www.chainreaction.com/noisystilevers.htm.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

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Steven said:

I have 9 speed Shimano 105 shifters on my road bike. Recently it has
become harder to downshift,(PUSHING ON THE SMALL LEVER) to move the
chain to the smaller cogs. Today it wouldn't dowshift at all. The
upshift(larger lever) jusy moves along with the smaller. Is there a
repair I can do? Does anyone have a 105 or Ulterga 9 speed right side
ahift/brake lever for sale?

Nine click shifter.
<http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/shifters.html#downtube>

--
Michael Press

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

>I have 9 speed Shimano 105 shifters on my road bike. Recently it has become

Quoted message said:

harder to downshift,(PUSHING ON THE SMALL LEVER) to move the chain to the
smaller cogs. Today it wouldn't dowshift at all. The upshift(larger lever)
jusy moves along with the smaller. Is there a repair I can do? Does anyone
have a 105 or Ulterga 9 speed right side ahift/brake lever for sale?

This can happen if the shift cable is frayed and about to break. Check that
first before giving up on the lever. People do *not* replace those cables as
often as they should; whether Campagnolo Ergo or Shimano STI, the gear cable
wraps around a pretty tight radius inside the shift lever, and 8k miles is
about as far as I'd go before replacing one. Sometimes they'll break sooner,
sometimes later.

If the cable's OK, then try the flush-with-Powerlube trick. Details at the
bottom of this page- http://www.chainreaction.com/noisystilevers.htm.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

I agree with Mike + I suggest that new housing with metal (not plastic ends) be used at the shifter segment and the derailer segment. You need to easily overcome the cable/housing(and housing ends) friction so the derailer spring can easily pull the chain down to the next smaller cog for each index click. Feel the difference(s) by hand.
If the cable by itself does the trick, you can save a few bucks by skipping the housing.

Steven said:

I have 9 speed Shimano 105 shifters on my road bike. Recently it has
become harder to downshift,(PUSHING ON THE SMALL LEVER) to move the
chain to the smaller cogs. Today it wouldn't dowshift at all. The
upshift(larger lever) jusy moves along with the smaller. Is there a
repair I can do? Does anyone have a 105 or Ulterga 9 speed right side
ahift/brake lever for sale?

Thanks

If you hold the big lever out, and then push the small does it click?
Common failure mode but like the others said, make sure inner wire and
housing is OK along with under BB guide. STI repair kit of flush and
flush again....then replace if no soap. Campag is the way to never have
failed shifters again, BTW-a 10s ERGO and RD will shift 9s shimano cogs
famously.

In a short time, 9s 105 shifters are gonna be hard to find since
shimano is 10s for those now.

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

If you hold the big lever out, and then push the small does it click?
Common failure mode but like the others said, make sure inner wire and
housing is OK along with under BB guide. STI repair kit of flush and
flush again....then replace if no soap. Campag is the way to never have
failed shifters again, BTW-a 10s ERGO and RD will shift 9s shimano cogs
famously.

Interesting! Can you do it without this:

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/shiftmate.html

cheers, jens

Jens said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

If you hold the big lever out, and then push the small does it click?
Common failure mode but like the others said, make sure inner wire and
housing is OK along with under BB guide. STI repair kit of flush and
flush again....then replace if no soap. Campag is the way to never have
failed shifters again, BTW-a 10s ERGO and RD will shift 9s shimano cogs
famously.

Interesting! Can you do it without this:

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/shiftmate.html

Here's a real clear discussion of what works with what and how to make it
happen. The "Hubbub" mod is the crux of this biscuit.

http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=3946

Ron

Quoted message said:

If you hold the big lever out, and then push the small does it click?
Common failure mode but like the others said, make sure inner wire and
housing is OK along with under BB guide. STI repair kit of flush and
flush again....then replace if no soap. Campag is the way to never have
failed shifters again,

Uh... no (and I don't think that's what you meant). We rebuild a lot of Ergo
levers, replacing the ratchet gear, which most definitely causes a "failed"
shifter. But it *is* rebuildable, so you don't have to toss it. Saying they
never "fail" is a bit of a stretch though.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

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Quoted message said:

Steven said:

I have 9 speed Shimano 105 shifters on my road bike. Recently it has
become harder to downshift,(PUSHING ON THE SMALL LEVER) to move the
chain to the smaller cogs. Today it wouldn't dowshift at all. The
upshift(larger lever) jusy moves along with the smaller. Is there a
repair I can do? Does anyone have a 105 or Ulterga 9 speed right side
ahift/brake lever for sale?

Thanks

If you hold the big lever out, and then push the small does it click?
Common failure mode but like the others said, make sure inner wire and
housing is OK along with under BB guide. STI repair kit of flush and
flush again....then replace if no soap. Campag is the way to never have
failed shifters again, BTW-a 10s ERGO and RD will shift 9s shimano cogs
famously.

In a short time, 9s 105 shifters are gonna be hard to find since
shimano is 10s for those now.

RonSonic said:

Jens said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

If you hold the big lever out, and then push the small does it click?
Common failure mode but like the others said, make sure inner wire and
housing is OK along with under BB guide. STI repair kit of flush and
flush again....then replace if no soap. Campag is the way to never have
failed shifters again, BTW-a 10s ERGO and RD will shift 9s shimano cogs
famously.

Interesting! Can you do it without this:

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/shiftmate.html

Here's a real clear discussion of what works with what and how to make it
happen. The "Hubbub" mod is the crux of this biscuit.

http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=3946

Ron

No need for anything but Campag 10s ERGO and Campag RD and then a
shimano 9s cog and chain...works fine

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Quoted message said:

If you hold the big lever out, and then push the small does it click?
Common failure mode but like the others said, make sure inner wire and
housing is OK along with under BB guide. STI repair kit of flush and
flush again....then replace if no soap. Campag is the way to never have
failed shifters again,

Uh... no (and I don't think that's what you meant). We rebuild a lot of Ergo
levers, replacing the ratchet gear, which most definitely causes a "failed"
shifter. But it *is* rebuildable, so you don't have to toss it. Saying they
never "fail" is a bit of a stretch though.

In the 15 years I have been overhauling ERGO, I have never seen a
rathet wear out, need a replacement. They are very gard steel and when
being pushed by the springs, never wear out.

I think ya know what I meant Mike, Fail and throw away vs fail and
repair...shimano could make these repairable but that would be contrary
to their philosophy of fail and replace/upgrade, which those who drink
the shimano koolaide are so in favor of.

Quoted message said:

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

"Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Steven said:

I have 9 speed Shimano 105 shifters on my road bike. Recently it has
become harder to downshift,(PUSHING ON THE SMALL LEVER) to move the
chain to the smaller cogs. Today it wouldn't dowshift at all. The
upshift(larger lever) jusy moves along with the smaller. Is there a
repair I can do? Does anyone have a 105 or Ulterga 9 speed right side
ahift/brake lever for sale?

Thanks

If you hold the big lever out, and then push the small does it click?
Common failure mode but like the others said, make sure inner wire and
housing is OK' along with under BB guide. STI repair kit of flush and
flush again....then replace if no soap. Campag is the way to never have
failed shifters again, BTW-a 10s ERGO and RD will shift 9s shimano cogs
famously.

In a short time, 9s 105 shifters are gonna be hard to find since
shimano is 10s for those now.

On 17 Apr 2006 05:24:17 -0700, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

RonSonic said:

Jens said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>
> If you hold the big lever out, and then push the small does it click?
> Common failure mode but like the others said, make sure inner wire and
> housing is OK along with under BB guide. STI repair kit of flush and
> flush again....then replace if no soap. Campag is the way to never have
> failed shifters again, BTW-a 10s ERGO and RD will shift 9s shimano cogs
> famously.

Interesting! Can you do it without this:

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/shiftmate.html

Here's a real clear discussion of what works with what and how to make it
happen. The "Hubbub" mod is the crux of this biscuit.

http://www.ctc.org.uk/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabID=3946

Ron

No need for anything but Campag 10s ERGO and Campag RD and then a
shimano 9s cog and chain...works fine

It sure is close enough to work well. Just haven't done it myself. Have done the
Ergo to hubbubed shimano mech and cassette and found it to work better than the
STI it replaced.

Ron

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Uh... no (and I don't think that's what you meant). We rebuild a lot of
Ergo
levers, replacing the ratchet gear, which most definitely causes a
"failed"
shifter. But it *is* rebuildable, so you don't have to toss it. Saying
they
never "fail" is a bit of a stretch though.

In the 15 years I have been overhauling ERGO, I have never seen a
rathet wear out, need a replacement. They are very gard steel and when
being pushed by the springs, never wear out.

Yeah, and I meant the springs.

Quoted message said:

I think ya know what I meant Mike, Fail and throw away vs fail and
repair...shimano could make these repairable but that would be contrary
to their philosophy of fail and replace/upgrade, which those who drink
the shimano koolaide are so in favor of.

I don't think it would be so easy to make the Shimano-style of STI as easily
rebuildable as the Campy. There's a lot more going on inside the lever. It
will be interesting to see how the SRAM stuff plays out. One can certainly
hope!

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

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Quoted message said:

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Quoted message said:

If you hold the big lever out, and then push the small does it click?
Common failure mode but like the others said, make sure inner wire and
housing is OK along with under BB guide. STI repair kit of flush and
flush again....then replace if no soap. Campag is the way to never have
failed shifters again,

Uh... no (and I don't think that's what you meant). We rebuild a lot of
Ergo
levers, replacing the ratchet gear, which most definitely causes a
"failed"
shifter. But it *is* rebuildable, so you don't have to toss it. Saying
they
never "fail" is a bit of a stretch though.

In the 15 years I have been overhauling ERGO, I have never seen a
rathet wear out, need a replacement. They are very gard steel and when
being pushed by the springs, never wear out.

I think ya know what I meant Mike, Fail and throw away vs fail and
repair...shimano could make these repairable but that would be contrary
to their philosophy of fail and replace/upgrade, which those who drink
the shimano koolaide are so in favor of.

Quoted message said:

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

"Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Steven wrote:
> I have 9 speed Shimano 105 shifters on my road bike. Recently it has
> become harder to downshift,(PUSHING ON THE SMALL LEVER) to move the
> chain to the smaller cogs. Today it wouldn't dowshift at all. The
> upshift(larger lever) jusy moves along with the smaller. Is there a
> repair I can do? Does anyone have a 105 or Ulterga 9 speed right side
> ahift/brake lever for sale?
>
>
> Thanks

If you hold the big lever out, and then push the small does it click?
Common failure mode but like the others said, make sure inner wire and
housing is OK' along with under BB guide. STI repair kit of flush and
flush again....then replace if no soap. Campag is the way to never have
failed shifters again, BTW-a 10s ERGO and RD will shift 9s shimano cogs
famously.

In a short time, 9s 105 shifters are gonna be hard to find since
shimano is 10s for those now.

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

I think ya know what I meant Mike, Fail and throw away vs fail and
repair...shimano could make these repairable but that would be contrary
to their philosophy of fail and replace/upgrade, which those who drink
the shimano koolaide are so in favor of.

And that's why Shimano is ten times as large as Campy -- every truly
successful business is into rampant consumerism. I don't particularly like
it, but it is unfortunately the current reality.

Jasper

Jasper Janssen said:

And that's why Shimano is ten times as large as Campy -- every truly
successful business is into rampant consumerism. I don't particularly like
it, but it is unfortunately the current reality.

I hate to say it Jasper, but I used to have Campa on my bikes and changed to
Shimano, because when I went to the local Campa Service centre (or how do
they call it), they refused to repair my shifters. They told me here: "if
we repair it, it will be as expensive as ordering a new set" "we have no
time to do this". So I ordered the parts myself, waited weeks before they
arrived (maybe the LBS wasn't too happy to order those) and rebuilt the
Ergo's myself.....

I understand service is better at other LBS and Campa service centres.

I'll have Campa again on my next bike, though, because I like the fact to be
able to repair every single part.

Gr, Derk

Derk said:

Jasper Janssen said:

And that's why Shimano is ten times as large as Campy -- every truly
successful business is into rampant consumerism. I don't particularly like
it, but it is unfortunately the current reality.

Quoted message said:

I hate to say it Jasper, but I used to have Campa on my bikes and changed to
Shimano, because when I went to the local Campa Service centre (or how do
they call it), they refused to repair my shifters. They told me here: "if
we repair it, it will be as expensive as ordering a new set" "we have no
time to do this". So I ordered the parts myself, waited weeks before they

Yeah, that attitude pervades society. More so now even than just 10 or 20
years ago, when if your toaster broke you took a screwdriver to it and
reconnected the wires... nowadays you just toss it. Well, most people do,
I'm poor enough and skilled enough that I try to repair whenever possible
-- money saved is money earned.

Jasper