Tires

Alan someone said:

Any opinions out there on road tires for commuting on steep hills in
the rain? I had some continentals but they wore out pretty quick and
the vittorias are a little slick on wet pavement.

I don't know which tires you have tried but stay away from colored
tread because it doesn't have wet traction and wears faster than
carbon black rubber. Don't believe that tread profile does anything
for you unless you are riding in soft ground. Bicycles cannot
hydroplane and every bit of tread pattern reduces road contact and
traction. Pick a tire whose cross section fits into your frame,
possibly a 28mm cross section or larger. Such tires have more tread
thickness and more of it in width.

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Alan someone said:

Any opinions out there on road tires for commuting on steep hills in
the rain? I had some continentals but they wore out pretty quick and
the vittorias are a little slick on wet pavement.

I don't know which tires you have tried but stay away from colored
tread because it doesn't have wet traction and wears faster than
carbon black rubber. Don't believe that tread profile does anything
for you unless you are riding in soft ground. Bicycles cannot
hydroplane and every bit of tread pattern reduces road contact and
traction. Pick a tire whose cross section fits into your frame,
possibly a 28mm cross section or larger. Such tires have more tread
thickness and more of it in width.

Jobst Brandt
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28 mm gives more comfort than 25 or 23 at no additional effort for the rider

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Alan someone said:

Any opinions out there on road tires for commuting on steep hills in
the rain? I had some continentals but they wore out pretty quick and
the vittorias are a little slick on wet pavement.

I don't know which tires you have tried but stay away from colored
tread because it doesn't have wet traction and wears faster than
carbon black rubber. Don't believe that tread profile does anything
for you unless you are riding in soft ground. Bicycles cannot
hydroplane and every bit of tread pattern reduces road contact and
traction. Pick a tire whose cross section fits into your frame,
possibly a 28mm cross section or larger. Such tires have more tread
thickness and more of it in width.

Jobst Brandt
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28 mm gives more comfort than 25 or 23 at no additional effort for the
rider

They're just harder to find. Try finding one at www.nashbar.com, for
instance.

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28 mm gives more comfort than 25 or 23 at no additional effort for
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They're just harder to find. Try finding one at www.nashbar.com, for
instance.

I got my Avocet FasGrip 700x32 slicks from Gear To Go Tandems
(http://www.gtgtandems.com/parts/700r.html).

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28 mm gives more comfort than 25 or 23 at no additional effort for
the rider

They're just harder to find. Try finding one at www.nashbar.com, for
instance.

I got my Avocet FasGrip 700x32 slicks from Gear To Go Tandems
(http://www.gtgtandems.com/parts/700r.html).

Thanks for that link -- neither Performance nor Nashbar seem to like tires
greater than 25 for some reason (and most are 23).

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Any opinions out there on road tires for commuting on steep hills in the
rain? I had some continentals but they wore out pretty quick and the
vittorias are a little slick on wet pavement.

I ride with Avocet Cross II tires for commuting. These are very durable and
in my experience, grip well. I can also get them over the rims, something
that wasn't true with the Michelins I used to have. Biggest drawback: the
bike shop sometimes has to order these for me because they don't always have
them in stock.

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Any opinions out there on road tires for commuting on steep hills in the
rain? I had some continentals but they wore out pretty quick and the
vittorias are a little slick on wet pavement.

I ride with Avocet Cross II tires for commuting. These are very durable and
in my experience, grip well. I can also get them over the rims, something
that wasn't true with the Michelins I used to have. Biggest drawback: the
bike shop sometimes has to order these for me because they don't always have
them in stock.

Don't you get a fair amt of road buzz with those? How do you tell if a tire
is gripping well?

Thx.

-B

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Any opinions out there on road tires for commuting on steep hills in

the

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rain? I had some continentals but they wore out pretty quick and the
vittorias are a little slick on wet pavement.

I ride with Avocet Cross II tires for commuting. These are very durable

and

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in my experience, grip well. I can also get them over the rims, something
that wasn't true with the Michelins I used to have. Biggest drawback: the
bike shop sometimes has to order these for me because they don't always

have

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them in stock.

Don't you get a fair amt of road buzz with those? How do you tell if a

tire

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is gripping well?

Thx.

-B

thanks for the responses. i find my vittorias dont grip as well as the
continentals (both 23mm to fit fenders) because i ride the same concrete
hill every day and when i stand on it sometimes the vittorias will slip out
sending a sharp pain to my lumbar region. unfortunately the continentals
didnt last well. maybe i'll try some larger ones like 28's without the
fenders or some other type of fender that doesn't go under the fork. thanks
for the links too!
-alan

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28 mm gives more comfort than 25 or 23 at no additional effort for the
rider

They're just harder to find. Try finding one at www.nashbar.com, for
instance.

They currently have several choices in 28mm tires.

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Any opinions out there on road tires for commuting on steep hills in the
rain? I had some continentals but they wore out pretty quick and the
vittorias are a little slick on wet pavement.

I ride with Avocet Cross II tires for commuting. These are very durable and
in my experience, grip well. I can also get them over the rims, something
that wasn't true with the Michelins I used to have. Biggest drawback: the
bike shop sometimes has to order these for me because they don't always have
them in stock.

Really heavy, lots of rolling resistance -- these tires are made for unpaved
surfaces.

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I ride with Avocet Cross II tires for commuting. These are very

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Really heavy, lots of rolling resistance -- these tires are made for
unpaved surfaces.

Yes, completely different to the Avocet FasGrips.

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I ride with Avocet Cross II tires for commuting. These are very durable and
in my experience, grip well. I can also get them over the rims, something
that wasn't true with the Michelins I used to have. Biggest drawback: the
bike shop sometimes has to order these for me because they don't always have
them in stock.

Really heavy, lots of rolling resistance -- these tires are made for unpaved
surfaces.

in the same league as the conti top touring 2k but much lighter. in fact
i've used 'em for touring and they're pretty good for that (better than
the tt2k, imo).

as far as weight is concerned:

cross II wire-bead 28mm: 330g folding: 295
duro wire-bead 28mm: 300g folding: None
conti tt2k wire-bead 28mm: 490g folding: None

sooo, if ya spend the bucks for folding they can be lighter (since the
duro doesn't come in a folding model) or 30g heavier. probably not really
heavy.

they certainly have a more rolling resistance than the duros but they ain't
knobbies and they do wear longer than the duros, ime.
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Bob in CT said:

Try finding one at www.nashbar.com, for
instance.

They are rare, but Nashbar currently has some very nice Conti 3000s and
Vittorias on sale for under 15 bucks in the 700x28 size.

FWIW--I'm still riding the Nashbar Prima Pluses I bought for 10 a pop in
March, sized 700x25 (the width is actually 25mm), and have had only one
flat and a superb ride for the last 3000+ miles.

I have broken loose on rainy climbs with the Primas when standing in a
42x24--but that doesn't strike me as surprising. If I'd had a granny, I'd
have just downshifted and slid back in the saddle--knowing that no tire is
slip immune in the wet.

urgghh.. i remember now that at least until somewhat recently the cross iis
were sized one up. a fair comparison would be the cross ii 32mm with the
duro 28mm. assuming the conti tt2k are honest.

cross II wire-bead 28mm: 330g folding: 295

cross II wire-bead 32mm: 370g folding: 335
duro wire-bead 28mm: 300g folding: None
conti tt2k wire-bead 28mm: 490g folding: None
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Bob in CT said:

Try finding one at www.nashbar.com, for
instance.

They are rare, but Nashbar currently has some very nice Conti 3000s and
Vittorias on sale for under 15 bucks in the 700x28 size.

FWIW--I'm still riding the Nashbar Prima Pluses I bought for 10 a pop in
March, sized 700x25 (the width is actually 25mm), and have had only one
flat and a superb ride for the last 3000+ miles.

I have broken loose on rainy climbs with the Primas when standing in a
42x24--but that doesn't strike me as surprising. If I'd had a granny, I'd
have just downshifted and slid back in the saddle--knowing that no tire
is
slip immune in the wet.

Ah, they do have tires on sale! I'll have to purchase some.

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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 19:32:54 GMT, "Claire Petersky"
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I ride with Avocet Cross II tires for commuting. These are very durable

and

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in my experience, grip well. I can also get them over the rims, something
that wasn't true with the Michelins I used to have. Biggest drawback: the
bike shop sometimes has to order these for me because they don't always

have

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them in stock.

Don't you get a fair amt of road buzz with those?

I have no road buzz that I've noticed.

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How do you tell if a tire
is gripping well?

Scream down a curvy hill in the rain :-)

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I ride with Avocet Cross II tires for commuting. These are very durable

and

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in my experience, grip well. I can also get them over the rims,

something

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that wasn't true with the Michelins I used to have. Biggest drawback:

the

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bike shop sometimes has to order these for me because they don't always

have

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them in stock.

Really heavy, lots of rolling resistance -- these tires are made for

unpaved

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surfaces.

They don't seem heavier than the Conti TTs I have on the tandem, and in
fact, they feel lighter. The tire says 105, but I inflate them to 110 lbs
psi and they do fine at that pressure, which is much more than the 85 I
think the Conti TTs are rated for.

I started off with gummy road tires, but the stress of daily commuting and
my loathing of flats has moved me steadily in the direction of more and more
gnarly tires. The Cross IIs are just about where I want to be in a daily
commuter/nasty weather/bad roads tire.

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Claire Petersky said:

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I ride with Avocet Cross II tires for commuting. These are very
durable and in my experience, grip well. I can also get them over
the rims, something that wasn't true with the Michelins I used to
have. Biggest drawback: the bike shop sometimes has to order these
for me because they don't always have them in stock.

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Don't you get a fair amt of road buzz with those?

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I have no road buzz that I've noticed.

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How do you tell if a tire is gripping well?

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Scream down a curvy hill in the rain :-)

Vocal outbursts don't affect traction and unless you fell or had a
major slide, you can't assess the grip of a tire. So again, how do
you tell is one tire grips better than the next?

Jobst Brandt
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Jobst Brandt said:

So again, how do
you tell is one tire grips better than the next?

I measure a tire's wet traction by how much it slips when climbing a
steep, wet road.
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