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  1. snip- On Thu said:


    "Bill Baka" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:11:26 -0700, Terry Morse <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:


    OK, I'll add my 2 cents to this. I always wave at Harleys and other
    motorcycle types and they always wave back (the Harley types at least),
    but then I ride in Levi type jeans and a ragged t-shirt.
    None of that lycra stuff for me.
    The Harley guys wave back and the pocket bikes usually don't. I used to
    ride with the Harley crowd and they are a lot more sociable than they
    get credit for, especially to another two wheel rider. What they would
    do about some guy in lycra waving might be just to laugh, but then so
    would I when I was on a big motorcycle.
    On a bicycle I have been passed by 3 guys in lycra on road bikes an
    they were too absorbed in themselves and their conversation to even wave
    back. I know, they were training.?

    Bill Baka

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    i hate to rant on the NG but Jeez, it's all about uniforms isnt it? and
    colors (whether it be oily levis or yellow lycra). i wear what's
    comfortable
    to train in and bright enough to be seen by those (maybe not paying
    attention?). nobody ever waves to me, or, i didnt see them. im really
    just
    trying to survive out there and get a workout in the process. do you wave
    and say hi to everyone you pass on foot? i would love to tell everyone on
    the road how nice it is to see them but frankly i'm busy and my heart
    rate
    is going about 160. and no-i'm not a big fan of rec.bicycles.racing
    either.
    i get very bored when people start going off on politics.
    -alan


    Heck with the uniforms, I have done 80 miles in cutoff jeans and a t shirt.
    I carry a kids large book backpack with tools, a gallon of O.J., a bunch
    of bananas, some pre-baked potatoes, maybe somehigh calorie chocolate
    snack cakes, my camera, and whatever other junk fits. It is very non
    traditional but I am self contained for up to 80 miles, then I usually
    run out of Orange Juice and fill up the gallon jug with mountain stream
    water, bugs, fish [censored], and all. I could go over 100 miles on one of
    these trips but I could not claim a roadie century, since I do get off
    the bike and enjoy the nature. This puts me more in tune with some of
    the motorcycle crowd than the roadie crowd for some reason. I manage to
    ride or hike enough to sometimes keep my heart rate up around 160-170 most
    of the day, peaking at about 180 for short blasts. Nobody to wave to up
    there but one guy on a motorcycle was surprised to see me and glad to wave
    first. People seem to get friendlier the farther they get from the city
    traffic.
    I will have my Schwinn road bike going tomorrow but I will never get to
    take it to all the interesting back woods hideouts I have found. Just
    miles and miles of circles on what good pavement I can find.
    And no damn lycra.
    Bill Baka
    -snip

    my earlier point was missed. if you're so concerned about lycra that sounds
    to me like uniform etiquette of the worst kind (that is-my uniform is better
    than yours). why do you care if you wear yellow or brown? i dont care what
    people think when im riding. if i was trying to look cool i'd do something
    else. fortunately im not, im trying to do something meaning ful. you know
    there are plenty of synthetic fibers in that mojo of yours too. levis work
    for you, lycra and gore tex works for me. i ride every day to get to work.
    it rains here most of the time. if i wore levis in that i'd be 30 lbs
    heavier and sick by the time i got to work. this is a bicycle NG. bikers are
    fine, i know plenty. they understand whats going on out there on the road
    better than most motorists- but attitudes about colors (and people) are the
    same regardless of the color!
    -alan

  2. dreaded said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Bill Baka" <[email hidden]> wrote ...


    And no damn lycra.
    Bill Baka
    -snip

    my earlier point was missed. if you're so concerned about lycra that sounds
    to me like uniform etiquette of the worst kind (that is-my uniform is better
    than yours). why do you care if you wear yellow or brown? i dont care what
    people think when im riding.

    I agree that prejudice against riders in lycra is as senseless as
    prejudice against riders in blue jeans.

    I'll also agree that lycra _works_. In my experience, blue jeans, baggy
    shorts, or dress pants are nowhere near as comfortable on long rides.
    I've used them all on occasion, and I always commute in the clothes I'll
    wear at the office. But that's just 7 miles each way. If it were 20,
    I'd be in lycra.

    Having said all that, I'll repeat what I've posted before: I wish there
    were clothes as comfortable as dedicated bike stuff, but which looked
    less abnormal. My fantasy (still!) is to ride 50 miles into a small
    town, walk into a bookstore, and have nobody able to tell I got there by
    bike.

    I've got a couple jerseys that come fairly close. But the shoes (even
    touring shoes) don't do that, and I've found nothing as comfortable as
    lycra shorts. Sadly, that includes the baggy mountain bike shorts I've
    tried.

    --
    --------------------+
    Frank Krygowski [To reply, remove rodent and vegetable dot com,
    replace with cc.ysu dot edu]

  3. "Frank Krygowski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]

    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    Having said all that, I'll repeat what I've posted before: I wish
    there were clothes as comfortable as dedicated bike stuff, but which
    looked less abnormal. My fantasy (still!) is to ride 50 miles into a
    small town, walk into a bookstore, and have nobody able to tell I got
    there by bike.

    I've got a couple jerseys that come fairly close. But the shoes (even
    touring shoes) don't do that, and I've found nothing as comfortable as
    lycra shorts. Sadly, that includes the baggy mountain bike shorts
    I've tried.

    What about the so-called "shy shorts"? They look like regular shorts but
    inside are a standard padded lycra cycling short.

    --

    A: Top-posters.
    Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

  4. Mon, 23 Aug 2004 03:52:28 +1000, <[email hidden]>, "DRS"

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I've found nothing as comfortable as
    lycra shorts. Sadly, that includes the baggy mountain bike shorts
    I've tried.

    What about the so-called "shy shorts"? They look like regular shorts but
    inside are a standard padded lycra cycling short.

    I've a pair of Sugoi's Conrad shorts that are comfortable. They have
    stretch panels in the legs so they're not too baggy.
    The Zoic shorts are okay though baggier and being cotton take longer
    to dry.
    I also frequently use the padded liners with regular shorts and in
    most ways prefer them to the conjoined shorts.
    I wear them for the pockets rather than any prudish concerns.
    In terms of plain comfort they're all inferior to bibs.
    --
    zk

  5. "Zoot Katz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]

    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    I also frequently use the padded liners with regular shorts and in
    most ways prefer them to the conjoined shorts.
    I wear them for the pockets rather than any prudish concerns.
    In terms of plain comfort they're all inferior to bibs.

    One option I forgot was that you can also get padded cycling underwear (ie,
    http://www.netti.com.au/products/generic/detail.asp?f_CatalogueID=22&f_CategoryID=67&f_ProductID=280),
    but if you don't like standard cycling shorts you probably won't like them
    either.

    --

    A: Top-posters.
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  6. "Frank Krygowski" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    Having said all that, I'll repeat what I've posted before: I wish there
    were clothes as comfortable as dedicated bike stuff, but which looked
    less abnormal.

    Advertising/brand recognition. Just like Hilfiger/Nike/Boss/Timberland/et
    al, they would like us to be walking billboards for their products.

    And for a lot of people, it works...🙁

    Pete

  7. Mon, 23 Aug 2004 04:42:45 +1000, <[email hidden]>, "DRS"

    Quoted message said:

    "Zoot Katz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]

    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    I also frequently use the padded liners with regular shorts and in
    most ways prefer them to the conjoined shorts.
    I wear them for the pockets rather than any prudish concerns.
    In terms of plain comfort they're all inferior to bibs.

    One option I forgot was that you can also get padded cycling underwear (ie,
    http://www.netti.com.au/products/generic/detail.asp?f_CatalogueID=22&f_CategoryID=67&f_ProductID=280),
    but if you don't like standard cycling shorts you probably won't like them
    either.

    Those are what I meant by "padded liners"
    http://tinyurl.com/4mefy
    I'll sometimes wear regular cycling shorts under baggies but the flat
    waistband of the liners fits, feels and looks smoother.
    --
    zk

  8. "Frank Krygowski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Having said all that, I'll repeat what I've posted before: I wish there
    were clothes as comfortable as dedicated bike stuff, but which looked
    less abnormal. My fantasy (still!) is to ride 50 miles into a small
    town, walk into a bookstore, and have nobody able to tell I got there by
    bike.

    Personally, I like that people know I'm out riding my bike. It's sparked
    more than one interesting conversation. And if people don't like how I
    look, that's their problem, not mine.

    Dave

  9. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    I've got a couple jerseys that come fairly close. But the shoes (even
    touring shoes) don't do that,

    I have a pair of Lake casual shoes that don't look at all like bike
    shoes. Suede and canvas upper, sole looks like a 1970s sneaker, wide,
    soft, flat shoe laces. They look just like casual sneakers except for
    the recessed SPD cleat.

    For work, I have an old pair of RaceVogs that look like good black
    leather loafers, they just happen to have SPDs. (When those wear out, I
    have another pair of them in a box somewhere, bought when they were on
    closeout.)

    --
    [email hidden] is Joshua Putnam
    <http://www.phred.org/~josh/>
    Updated Bicycle Touring Books List:
    <http://www.phred.org/~josh/bike/tourbooks.html>

  10. "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Frank Krygowski" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    Having said all that, I'll repeat what I've posted before: I wish there
    were clothes as comfortable as dedicated bike stuff, but which looked
    less abnormal.

    Advertising/brand recognition. Just like Hilfiger/Nike/Boss/Timberland/et
    al, they would like us to be walking billboards for their products.

    And for a lot of people, it works...🙁

    Pete

    this is so true and personally i dont like those jerseys that have stuff
    scribbled all over them, just a solid bright color will do. i think the
    brands we see everywhere from billboards to clothing is a form of pollution
    (like visual noise). i sometimes cover them with reflective tape. a friend
    of mine once became so freaked out by all the brands everywhere he covered
    every label in his house with white tape! -a little extreme but i know how
    he feels...(:->

  11. "dreaded" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    i dont care what people think when im riding.

    Ouch!

    OK, you need help.
    You've dropped the ball, lost the way.

    It's in my good upbringing that causes me to look so good
    on the bike, but with some effort on your part and a major
    makeover you too could look a bit better out there.

    I've spent a lot of time in this NG over the last three years
    counselling types like you on how to take that next big step
    and work on your kit and gear.

    It's up to you, you need to find the motivation to start looking
    like a roadie and not a FRED.

    By the way, I just got back from a retro ride in my Vestisport /
    Santini kit. NICE!

  12. "Fabrizio Mazzoleni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:XSaWc.190699$gE.110860@pd7tw3no...

    Quoted message said:


    "dreaded" <[email hidden]> wrote in message


    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    i dont care what people think when im riding.

    Ouch!

    OK, you need help.
    You've dropped the ball, lost the way.

    It's in my good upbringing that causes me to look so good
    on the bike, but with some effort on your part and a major
    makeover you too could look a bit better out there.

    I've spent a lot of time in this NG over the last three years
    counselling types like you on how to take that next big step
    and work on your kit and gear.

    It's up to you, you need to find the motivation to start looking
    like a roadie and not a FRED.

    By the way, I just got back from a retro ride in my Vestisport /
    Santini kit. NICE!

    OK. thanks Fabrizio. maybe you can loan me some dough for some new duds? or
    maybe i can be on the OLN version of queer eye for the straight (bicycle)
    guy!
    -fred

  13. "dreaded" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    OK. thanks Fabrizio. maybe you can loan me some dough for some new duds? or


    maybe i can be on the OLN version of queer eye for the straight (bicycle)
    guy!

    Any good amateur rider has at least two credit cards
    maxed out and a line of credit constantly between
    $12,000 to $16,000.

    Go for it - Just do it.

  14. Frank Krygowski said:
    dreaded said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Bill Baka" <[email hidden]> wrote ...


    And no damn lycra.
    Bill Baka
    -snip

    my earlier point was missed. if you're so concerned about lycra that
    sounds
    to me like uniform etiquette of the worst kind (that is-my uniform is
    better
    than yours). why do you care if you wear yellow or brown? i dont care
    what
    people think when im riding.

    I agree that prejudice against riders in lycra is as senseless as
    prejudice against riders in blue jeans.

    I'll also agree that lycra _works_. In my experience, blue jeans, baggy
    shorts, or dress pants are nowhere near as comfortable on long rides.
    I've used them all on occasion, and I always commute in the clothes I'll
    wear at the office. But that's just 7 miles each way. If it were 20,
    I'd be in lycra.

    Having said all that, I'll repeat what I've posted before: I wish there
    were clothes as comfortable as dedicated bike stuff, but which looked
    less abnormal. My fantasy (still!) is to ride 50 miles into a small
    town, walk into a bookstore, and have nobody able to tell I got there by
    bike.

    I've got a couple jerseys that come fairly close. But the shoes (even
    touring shoes) don't do that, and I've found nothing as comfortable as
    lycra shorts. Sadly, that includes the baggy mountain bike shorts I've
    tried.


    I am not really ragging on Lycra, just that it is so damned bright.
    Levis do tend to get raw after 60 or more miles, but at least I wear
    cutoffs so I don't get so sweaty. Small tight and breathable t shirt too.
    Bill baka

    --
    Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/

  15. "Bill Baka" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Frank Krygowski said:
    dreaded said:

    > "Bill Baka" <[email hidden]> wrote ...
    And no damn lycra.
    Bill Baka
    -snip

    my earlier point was missed. if you're so concerned about lycra that
    sounds
    to me like uniform etiquette of the worst kind (that is-my uniform is
    better
    than yours). why do you care if you wear yellow or brown? i dont care
    what
    people think when im riding.

    I agree that prejudice against riders in lycra is as senseless as
    prejudice against riders in blue jeans.

    I'll also agree that lycra _works_. In my experience, blue jeans, baggy
    shorts, or dress pants are nowhere near as comfortable on long rides.
    I've used them all on occasion, and I always commute in the clothes I'll
    wear at the office. But that's just 7 miles each way. If it were 20,
    I'd be in lycra.

    Having said all that, I'll repeat what I've posted before: I wish there
    were clothes as comfortable as dedicated bike stuff, but which looked
    less abnormal. My fantasy (still!) is to ride 50 miles into a small
    town, walk into a bookstore, and have nobody able to tell I got there by
    bike.

    I've got a couple jerseys that come fairly close. But the shoes (even
    touring shoes) don't do that, and I've found nothing as comfortable as
    lycra shorts. Sadly, that includes the baggy mountain bike shorts I've
    tried.


    I am not really ragging on Lycra, just that it is so damned bright.
    Levis do tend to get raw after 60 or more miles, but at least I wear
    cutoffs so I don't get so sweaty. Small tight and breathable t shirt too.
    Bill baka

    --
    Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/

    ya i dont mean to overreact but have had to deal with lots of situations re
    "colors" in so. cal when i was younger (and occasionally up here in western
    wa) --
    -alan

    """""
    x x

    Quoted message said:


    (~)

  16. dreaded said:

    "Bill Baka" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Frank Krygowski said:

    dreaded wrote:

    >> "Bill Baka" <[email hidden]> wrote ...
    > And no damn lycra.
    > Bill Baka
    > -snip
    >
    > my earlier point was missed. if you're so concerned about lycra that
    > sounds
    > to me like uniform etiquette of the worst kind (that is-my uniform is
    > better
    > than yours). why do you care if you wear yellow or brown? i dont care
    > what
    > people think when im riding.

    I agree that prejudice against riders in lycra is as senseless as
    prejudice against riders in blue jeans.

    I'll also agree that lycra _works_. In my experience, blue jeans,


    baggy

    Quoted message said:

    shorts, or dress pants are nowhere near as comfortable on long rides.
    I've used them all on occasion, and I always commute in the clothes


    I'll

    Quoted message said:

    wear at the office. But that's just 7 miles each way. If it were 20,
    I'd be in lycra.

    Having said all that, I'll repeat what I've posted before: I wish


    there

    Quoted message said:

    were clothes as comfortable as dedicated bike stuff, but which looked
    less abnormal. My fantasy (still!) is to ride 50 miles into a small
    town, walk into a bookstore, and have nobody able to tell I got there


    by

    Quoted message said:

    bike.

    I've got a couple jerseys that come fairly close. But the shoes (even
    touring shoes) don't do that, and I've found nothing as comfortable as
    lycra shorts. Sadly, that includes the baggy mountain bike shorts


    I've

    Quoted message said:

    tried.


    I am not really ragging on Lycra, just that it is so damned bright.
    Levis do tend to get raw after 60 or more miles, but at least I wear
    cutoffs so I don't get so sweaty. Small tight and breathable t shirt
    too.
    Bill baka

    --
    Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/

    ya i dont mean to overreact but have had to deal with lots of situations
    re
    "colors" in so. cal when i was younger (and occasionally up here in
    western
    wa) --
    -alan

    """""
    x x

    Quoted message said:


    (~)


    Alan,
    This is totally off topic (Lycra) but I was prospecting for the Gypsy
    Jokers
    in 1966 (Motorcycles, not pedal pushers) and the Hells Angels would single
    out anybody wearing those colors for a severe beating if not termination.
    Angels won it and any remaining Jokers hung up their colors. The not so
    good old days.
    Back to Lycra now. I am going out this morning at first light, in a few
    minutes
    to try a century in my good old cut offs. Why, because I am going hiking
    too,
    back to my private waterfall in the woods. I may put up a few pictures on
    my website for this one.
    Cheers,
    Bill Baka

    --
    Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/

  17. dreaded said:

    "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Frank Krygowski" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Having said all that, I'll repeat what I've posted before: I wish there
    were clothes as comfortable as dedicated bike stuff, but which looked
    less abnormal.

    Advertising/brand recognition. Just like Hilfiger/Nike/Boss/Timberland/et
    al, they would like us to be walking billboards for their products.

    And for a lot of people, it works...🙁

    Pete

    this is so true and personally i dont like those jerseys that have stuff
    scribbled all over them, just a solid bright color will do. i think the
    brands we see everywhere from billboards to clothing is a form of pollution
    (like visual noise).

    I've got a son who'd agree with you on that. He utterly and absolutely
    refuses to wear anything with a logo on it, jerseys included. For him
    it's part of a teenage absolutist thing, I think. He's still in that
    stage where he's sure everything he's sure about is absolutely correct
    (and everybody else is wrong). *snicker* He's a good kid though; he'll
    grow out of it, sooner or later.

    -km

    --
    the black rose
    proud to be owned by a yorkie
    http://community.webshots.com/user/blackrosequilts

  18. Bill Baka said:

    I am not really ragging on Lycra, just that it is so damned bright.
    Levis do tend to get raw after 60 or more miles, but at least I wear
    cutoffs so I don't get so sweaty. Small tight and breathable t shirt too.

    Yeah, but don't you ever ride in situations where you WANT to be seen?
    I like to wear brightly colored tee shirts for the visibility. When
    it's nasty, I don my neon pink rain jacket. I just really want to be so
    visible that the motorists have no excuses.

    -km

    --
    the black rose
    proud to be owned by a yorkie
    http://community.webshots.com/user/blackrosequilts

  19. Mon, 23 Aug 2004 00:28:39 GMT, <XSaWc.190699$gE.110860@pd7tw3no>,

    the Artist aka 'Fabrizio Mazzoleni said:

    By the way, I just got back from a retro ride in my Vestisport /
    Santini kit. NICE!

    Was that you?

    Sheeesh, It looked to me like Value Village had a team.
    --
    zk

  20. "the black rose" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    dreaded said:

    "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "Frank Krygowski" <[email hidden]> wrote

    >Having said all that, I'll repeat what I've posted before: I wish


    there

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >were clothes as comfortable as dedicated bike stuff, but which looked
    >less abnormal.

    Advertising/brand recognition. Just like


    Hilfiger/Nike/Boss/Timberland/et

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    al, they would like us to be walking billboards for their products.

    And for a lot of people, it works...🙁

    Pete

    this is so true and personally i dont like those jerseys that have stuff
    scribbled all over them, just a solid bright color will do. i think the
    brands we see everywhere from billboards to clothing is a form of


    pollution

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (like visual noise).

    I've got a son who'd agree with you on that. He utterly and absolutely
    refuses to wear anything with a logo on it, jerseys included. For him
    it's part of a teenage absolutist thing, I think. He's still in that
    stage where he's sure everything he's sure about is absolutely correct
    (and everybody else is wrong). *snicker* He's a good kid though; he'll
    grow out of it, sooner or later.

    -km

    --
    the black rose
    proud to be owned by a yorkie
    http://community.webshots.com/user/blackrosequilts

    ....maybe not. i never did

    --
    """""
    x x

    Quoted message said:


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