smooth....

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 15:12:03 -0700, pas <[email hidden]>

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oh, baby... took the Svelte Hawaiian out for neighborhood spin after
doing
the last few things to it. This being, had LBS put a new chain on, and
my
dear hubby put my new odometer. Granted it's not a trail ride, but I
wanted
to give it a real tryout prior to taking out on the trail, in case there
were some obvious adjustments that needed to be done.

So after putting two new chain rings on, new chain, new rear d. hanger,
changed elevation of front d, and a new chain.... wow, quiet and
smooth. I
mean, silent and effortless. I went up and down some hills, ran it
through
all gears on the rear and front, and all I can say is "wow".One or more
of
those things, or a combination seemed to have at least at first blush
cured
my drive train woes. That remains to be seen of course, and I have to
retrain myself not to shift under load if I can avoid it if at all
possible.

I get just a hair of f.der noise when I've set up as an obvious
cross-chain... big ring in front and lowest 1/3 of the cogs in the
back. No
one in their right mind who knows their gears would ride like this,( at
least I would never aside from testing out shifting) so is a little
noise
in this "improper" position typical, or should I try and fine tune the
f.der a little more?

If you know you shouldn't be that gear and it works just fine in all the
"proper" gears, who cares. Stop looking for perfection where it shouldn't
be.

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in case anyone cares, the various symptoms I was experiencing were:
ghost
shifting in the back, chain getting thrown to the inside of granny ring,
finicky action on the front derailleur shifter tab-thingy, mild to
moderate
chain suck, and chain suck so bad that it took two of us to un-suck it
one
day.

penny

I once had a hiker stop to help me when my chain jumped. It was wedged so
damn bad, it took my riding partner and the hiker's help to free the chain
after about 20 minutes and about 5 broken tree branches later. I wanted to
ghost ride my bike off the nearest cliff after that!

--
Slacker

"pas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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oh, baby... took the Svelte Hawaiian out for neighborhood spin after doing
the last few things to it. This being, had LBS put a new chain on, and my
dear hubby put my new odometer. Granted it's not a trail ride, but I

wanted

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to give it a real tryout prior to taking out on the trail, in case there
were some obvious adjustments that needed to be done.

So after putting two new chain rings on, new chain, new rear d. hanger,
changed elevation of front d, and a new chain.... wow, quiet and smooth.

I

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mean, silent and effortless. I went up and down some hills, ran it through
all gears on the rear and front, and all I can say is "wow".One or more of
those things, or a combination seemed to have at least at first blush

cured

Quoted message said:

my drive train woes. That remains to be seen of course, and I have to
retrain myself not to shift under load if I can avoid it if at all

possible.

Quoted message said:

I get just a hair of f.der noise when I've set up as an obvious
cross-chain... big ring in front and lowest 1/3 of the cogs in the back.

No

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one in their right mind who knows their gears would ride like this,( at
least I would never aside from testing out shifting) so is a little noise
in this "improper" position typical, or should I try and fine tune the
f.der a little more?

in case anyone cares, the various symptoms I was experiencing were: ghost
shifting in the back, chain getting thrown to the inside of granny ring,
finicky action on the front derailleur shifter tab-thingy, mild to

moderate

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chain suck, and chain suck so bad that it took two of us to un-suck it one
day.

penny

I broke a middle XT chainring trying to free chain suck. If it happens this
bad again, next time I am going to use my chain tool and take chain apart to
unravel the mess.

pas wrote (of new drivetrain setup):

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I get just a hair of f.der noise when I've set up as an obvious
cross-chain... big ring in front and lowest 1/3 of the cogs in the
back. No one in their right mind who knows their gears would ride
like this,( at least I would never aside from testing out shifting)
so is a little noise in this "improper" position typical, or should I
try and fine tune the f.der a little more?

It's perfect as is. That noise SHOULD be there, as a cross-chain warning.

Bill "it ain't a bug; it's a feature" S.

S o r n i said:

pas wrote (of new drivetrain setup):

Quoted message said:

I get just a hair of f.der noise when I've set up as an obvious
cross-chain... big ring in front and lowest 1/3 of the cogs in the
back. No one in their right mind who knows their gears would ride
like this,( at least I would never aside from testing out shifting)
so is a little noise in this "improper" position typical, or should I
try and fine tune the f.der a little more?

It's perfect as is. That noise SHOULD be there, as a cross-chain warning.

I just tested out the extremes on my bike: big-big, small-small,
middle-small and middle-big, and I don't get any front derailler noise
in any combo. Maybe my 8-year-old XT FD/cranks/BB and narrow 9-speed
chain allow for this? Or are there others that are noise free in all
combos?

The noise Penny is getting makes it sounds as if the high limit on the
FD might be a bit too high. This is bad, not because of the noise in a
bad gear combo, but because it can allow your chain to jump off to the
outside on rough downhills. You can usually just pedal it back on,
unless the chain gets wedged between crankarm and chainring and your
right crankarm doesn't have that li'l safety nubbin'.

justen at cable one dot net

On 2004-08-22, justen penned:

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S o r n i said:

pas wrote (of new drivetrain setup):

Quoted message said:

I get just a hair of f.der noise when I've set up as an obvious
cross-chain... big ring in front and lowest 1/3 of the cogs in the back.
No one in their right mind who knows their gears would ride like this,( at
least I would never aside from testing out shifting) so is a little noise
in this "improper" position typical, or should I try and fine tune the
f.der a little more?

It's perfect as is. That noise SHOULD be there, as a cross-chain warning.

I just tested out the extremes on my bike: big-big, small-small,
middle-small and middle-big, and I don't get any front derailler noise in
any combo. Maybe my 8-year-old XT FD/cranks/BB and narrow 9-speed chain
allow for this? Or are there others that are noise free in all combos?

The noise Penny is getting makes it sounds as if the high limit on the FD
might be a bit too high. This is bad, not because of the noise in a bad
gear combo, but because it can allow your chain to jump off to the outside
on rough downhills. You can usually just pedal it back on, unless the chain
gets wedged between crankarm and chainring and your right crankarm doesn't
have that li'l safety nubbin'.

Seems to me that I always have both derailleurs in perfect shifting shape
after visiting a mechanic, but I seem to ding something or other and get them
just a hair out of alignment, just enough to be noisy, on the first ride
thereafter. I've decided not to sweat it as long as I can shift without
trouble.

--
monique

"Get a bicycle. You will not regret it, if you live."
-- Mark Twain

<pas
oh, baby... took the Svelte Hawaiian out for neighborhood spin after doing
the last few things to it. This being, had LBS put a new chain on, and my
dear hubby put my new odometer. Granted it's not a trail ride, but I wanted
to give it a real tryout prior to taking out on the trail, in case there
were some obvious adjustments that needed to be done.>

Still testing under load is always a good thing.

<So after putting two new chain rings on, new chain, new rear d. hanger,
changed elevation of front d, and a new chain.... wow, quiet and smooth. I
mean, silent and effortless. I went up and down some hills, ran it through
all gears on the rear and front, and all I can say is "wow".One or more of
those things, or a combination seemed to have at least at first blush cured
my drive train woes. That remains to be seen of course, and I have to
retrain myself not to shift under load if I can avoid it if at all possible.>

I think the bent der hanger did the most to bring your drive train back into alignment...
Shifting under load is a drive train killer...

<I get just a hair of f.der noise when I've set up as an obvious
cross-chain... big ring in front and lowest 1/3 of the cogs in the back. No
one in their right mind who knows their gears would ride like this,( at
least I would never aside from testing out shifting) so is a little noise
in this "improper" position typical, or should I try and fine tune the
f.der a little more?>

Don't bother a little noise is perfectly acceptable when [censored] into that combo... Don't try and fix what ain't broke

in case anyone cares, the various symptoms I was experiencing were: ghost
shifting in the back, chain getting thrown to the inside of granny ring,
finicky action on the front derailleur shifter tab-thingy, mild to moderate
chain suck, and chain suck so bad that it took two of us to un-suck it one
day.

penny>

You and your new drive train should have many happy miles together...
I am still floored Steve picked up on the front der height thing...
He is good!

Jimbo(san)