Most prefer Shimano over Campagnolo?

"Evan Evans" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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The question is why doe's the average guy prefer Shimano to Campagnolo
on his/her bicycle?

9 out of 10 riders in the TdF Top10 used Shimano.
'nuff said.

KH

Evan Evans said:

The question is why doe's the average guy prefer Shimano to Campagnolo
on his/her bicycle?

Why does the average beer drinker prefer <shudder> Budweiser?
--
terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://bike.terrymorse.com/

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The question is why doe's the average guy prefer Shimano to

Campagnolo

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on his/her bicycle?

I think for most Shimano riders it isn't a concious choice. Most
complete bikes
come with OEM Shimano installed on them. With custom build bikes it's
another
story, when i look at bikes at my local club over two thirds use
Campagnolo.
This is in Europe (Netherlands) though.

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The question is why doe's the average guy prefer Shimano to

Campagnolo

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on his/her bicycle?

gevans-<< The question is why doe's the average guy prefer Shimano to
Campagnolo
on his/her bicycle? >><BR><BR>

The 'average' guy doesn't. The 'average' bike shop does due to pricing and many
other factors. The 'average' bike shop 'koko de shimano de hanashimasu', not
'qui si parla Campagnolo'.
Many average bike shops are a slim step above Walmart.

Do 'average' drivers prefer Toyota or VW?

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

Blade-<< 9 out of 10 riders in the TdF Top10 used Shimano.
'nuff said. >><BR><BR>

Geee, last year that wasn't true, I guess shimano 10s has changed the landscape
hugely!!

shimano is 10 times the size of Campagnolo. More teams at the three large stage
races used Campagnolo than shimano. I think that speaks volumes about the
ability of a small company by comparison to 'support' so many European racing
teams.

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

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"Evan Evans" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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The question is why doe's the average guy prefer Shimano to Campagnolo
on his/her bicycle?

9 out of 10 riders in the TdF Top10 used Shimano.
'nuff said.

KH

I don't like where this is going. Is there any way to block threads
that are too boring?

Nigel Grinter

"Konrad Hund" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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"Evan Evans" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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The question is why doe's the average guy prefer Shimano to Campagnolo
on his/her bicycle?

9 out of 10 riders in the TdF Top10 used Shimano.
'nuff said.

KH

I think this in ways parallels other "gods" that us more common folks
try to emulate. Example:

Back in '67, a fella by the name of James Marshall Hendrix came on the
scene (Singin "Hey Joe" I believe it was).
The faultering Fender Guitar Company was virtually saved overnight by
this man, as everyone rushed out in droves to buy Fender Strats in
hopes of playing/sounding like this man. I guess the same can be said
about Stevie Ray Vaughan later during the '80's with Fender, and the
also want of Les Paul Gibsons, when a fella named Jimmy Page came
along. (Same with Ludwig Drums when Ringo came out)

Whether one bike company is preferred over another is unclear. I guess
pros will use whatever they will get for free, and who will sponsor
them.

Folks like Lance, Basso, Ulrich, etc., could probably win the same
races had they been using prepped Huffy equipment. Just like Jimmy
Page, etc. could pick up a beat up '60's Sears Roebuck Guitar and make
it sing.

The last two days I've been seeing I guy I swear is Lance Armstrong
riding around my neck of the woods (NM). Full blown Carbon Trek Bike,
US Postal Gear head to toe, and he's flying!!! Hey, maybe it is
Lance!? lol Mark

(Evan Evans) said:

The question is why doe's the average guy prefer Shimano to Campagnolo
on his/her bicycle?

The average guy takes what he's offered, prefers what he's most
repeatedly told to prefer, and holds opinions about it (if any) that
were written by an advertiser.

That is why Shimano is #1 and why Campy is #2. They are the two best
firms at telling cycle enthusiasts what components they prefer.
Neither one is completely useless, so the situation is actually pretty
OK for riders of average needs and desires.

Use a lot of different good and bad components made by a lot of
different folks, retrofit and combine them in unintended ways, maybe
make a few of your own from scratch-- then you will find you have
developed some original opinions about this stuff. It's more trouble
than it's worth for most recreational cyclists, who are content with a
Coke vs. Pepsi level of sophistication about what brand they like.

Chalo Colina

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The question is why doe's the average guy prefer Shimano to Campagnolo
on his/her bicycle?

I started with Simplex gears, then Shimano Crane, Campagnolo N. Record then
Super Record. The Campy SR would "ghost shift" at very strange times, the
headset pitted very quickly and I gave up and got the new Dura-Ace index
stuff. I stayed with Shimano for many years as Campagnolo seemed to lose
their way. Now, Campy seems to have ironed out all their problems and the
stuff seems to work every bit as well as Shimano. I has ALWAYS looked
better IMO. Just this month I put on Record Ergo shifters as the Dura-Ace
ones made my hands go numb no matter how I moved things around. I LOVE the
Campy shifters. Much more support for my hands, no numbness, and the
shifting seems better. I plan to slowly add more Campy bits as time goes
on. I hate when Campagnolo lovers slam Shimano and the reverse seldom
happens. But you have to admit there is a certain something about the
Italian parts. Beauty , history, whatever, I have never wanted a Shimano
cap or decal on my car but would not object to doing that with Campagnolo.
Way back in the day, my first Campy product, sort of, was one of those
yellow caps with the Campagnolo logo. I don't think Shimano will ever have
that cool factor. So, I agree with many of the posts, off the rack =
Shimano, custom = Campagnolo.

Tim McTeague

On 11 Aug 2004 08:17:42 -0700, [email hidden] (Nigel
Grinter) wrote:

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I don't like where this is going. Is there any way to block threads
that are too boring?

Nigel Grinter

Dear Nigel,

Yes.

Many newsreader programs like Forte Agent and others allow
you to mark particular threads to be ignored.

Such programs also may allow you to mark certain posters to
be ignored, an action often announced with deep satisfaction
by those who presumably were shunned at school as children
and are now able to take cruel vengeance upon a helpless
world.

The Mark I Eye-Ball can be used to achieve the same results
with less fuss and fanfare. A little practice with a
newspaper will allow most of us to skip what we find
uninteresting or irritating.

Carl Fogel

Evan Evans said:

The question is why doe's the average guy prefer Shimano to Campagnolo
on his/her bicycle?

I all,
I am an "average" guy. And am looking to get a new road bike. I like the Campagnolo group sets better mostly because of the shifting action.

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Evan Evans said:

The question is why doe's the average guy prefer Shimano to Campagnolo
on his/her bicycle?

I all,
I am an "average" guy. And am looking to get a new road bike. I like
the Campagnolo group sets better mostly because of the shifting action.

Like anything else on bicycles, the most important factor is fit. Fit the
bike doesn't fit, you won't ride it! Similarly, the choice between Campy
ergo and Shimano STI is which levers FIT YOU the best.

Some people love one over the other. Whatever, get the one that fits your
hands and enjoy! Both work. Both look good. Get the one that fits!

quote='Terry Morse'Evan Evans said:

The question is why doe's the average guy prefer Shimano to Campagnolo
on his/her bicycle?

Why does the average beer drinker prefer <shudder> Budweiser?
--
terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://bike.terrymorse.com/[/QUOTE]

I loved that reply. Classic

Evan Evans said:

The question is why doe's the average guy prefer Shimano to Campagnolo
on his/her bicycle?

This is related to the "Why so few stock Campagnolo bikes" thread. There are some young guys at my work getting into biking who bought road bikes and didn't even know about Campagnolo. I showed them my Campy shifters and they said "huh, that seems like a better design - wish they had bikes at the store with THAT option". Doh!

Because you don't see it as an option on stock bikes when you walk into a store most people ride Shimano because they don't have a choice or simply don't know!

note: I'm not a Shimano basher. I think Shimano bikes are fine, but am dismayed by the lack of choices in stock road bikes these days.

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The question is why doe's the average guy prefer Shimano to Campagnolo
on his/her bicycle?

'Cause 95% of roadie bikes in USA come with Shimano.
Entry level road bikes with Campy are rare, Bianchi has one and thats
about it. When it comes time buy a new bike or 'upgrade', you buy what
is familiar, Shimano. Easy sale at the LBS too, customer is already familiar
with how it works. Campy makes 105 and Tiagra/Sora level
groups, you just don't see here. In the EU it is different, about
half the roadie bikes are Campy, and the majority of Audax/Rando
bikes are mid range Campy. Selling a mixed Campy/Shimano/TA bike
would require way too much sales person time at LBS, and confuse
the customer who just wants Lances bike.

Scott Goldsmith

Current road bike has the following "groupo"
Dura Ace/XT/Mirage/Sugino/Shimano 600/LX/105/Ultegra
imagine explaining that at the local bike shop ?

On 2004-08-11 05:48:38 -0700, [email hidden] (Qui si parla

Campagnolo ) said:

Blade-<< 9 out of 10 riders in the TdF Top10 used Shimano.
'nuff said. >><BR><BR>

Geee, last year that wasn't true, I guess shimano 10s has changed the landscape
hugely!!

shimano is 10 times the size of Campagnolo. More teams at the three large stage
races used Campagnolo than shimano. I think that speaks volumes about the
ability of a small company by comparison to 'support' so many European racing
teams.

Bah. It just shows they ride what they're paid to ride.

I ride Shimano here for 2 reasons:

1) I have lots of old Shimano wheels, that would be pretty much
worthless if I went to Campy now.

2) Races in the US overwhelmingly use Shimano for neutral support wheels.

If the rear wheels were 100% compatible, I'd consider them, of course
when I get off 9 speed, which may be years.

Tim McTeague said:

The Campy SR would "ghost shift" at very strange times,

Was it installed/adjusted properly? I never had that problem
with SR. I always found SR's shifting to be excellent (it was
6 speed though).

In article <[email hidden]>,
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Quoted message said:

The question is why doe's the average guy prefer Shimano to Campagnolo
on his/her bicycle?

Because Shimano has deeper market penetration. Back in the mid-80's when
I bought my first really nice bike I chose shimano over campy because it
performed better. Since then campy has caught up.
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Alex

sfcommuter said:

note: I'm not a Shimano basher. I think Shimano bikes are fine, but am dismayed by the lack of choices in stock road bikes these days.

Very good point. I was talking to the LBS guy the other day and he was talking about how they were having a very hard time keeping bikes in stock because Shimano underproduced their parts this year. He said especially the Ultegra parts are in high demand because of this. He was telling me that as a result of this, Cannondale will have a stock bike next year with Campy and that will be the first time Cannondale has ever used Campy on a stock bike.

This should be good for improving our choices in the future and should, in general, help price competition as more people shift to campy. Shimano's poor demand forcasting = good for the consumer.