I'm off on holiday again soon, staying at Dunbar. I see from the OS map that all bridlepaths end at the border, presumably because of the different right-of-way law in Scotland. I do hope that English OS maps won't stop showing bridle paths and footpaths when the right to roam legislation comes through. How do you borderers plan your routes? Still, it's probably for the best, my off-road forays are never very succesful, and I always tell myself not to be tempted by that bit of bridle path or RUPP etc. that goes just exactly where I want to go. It will be 3ft deep in mud, and/or rutted by motor vehicles. And full of flies. With a 4ft deep ford, a mainline railway, and a couple of motorways to cross. Any favourite 20 to 35 mile on-road rides around Dunbar, suitable for a family man who doesn't get allowed out on his bike til late afternoon?
On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:25:51 +0100, "Martin Bulmer" <[email hidden]> wrote: Still, it's probably for the
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best, my off-road forays are never very succesful, and I always tell myself not to be tempted by that bit of bridle path or RUPP etc. that goes just exactly where I want to go. It will be 3ft deep in mud, and/or rutted by motor vehicles. And full of flies. With a 4ft deep ford, a mainline railway, and a couple of motorways to cross.
lol!...you've just detailed most of my off-road forays too! Got hub-deep in mud once :-S oops!
On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:25:51 +0100, "Martin Bulmer" <[email hidden]> wrote: Still, it's probably for the
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best, my off-road forays are never very succesful, and I always tell myself not to be tempted by that bit of bridle path or RUPP etc. that goes just exactly where I want to go. It will be 3ft deep in mud, and/or rutted by motor vehicles. And full of flies. With a 4ft deep ford, a mainline railway, and a couple of motorways to cross.
lol!...you've just detailed most of my off-road forays too! Got hub-deep in mud once :-S oops!
I get hub-deep in mud quite frequently. You want a big back tyre with plenty of lateral tread. Velociraptors are a good tyre set but unfortunately you don't seem to be able to get the rear in anything wider than 2.1; Michelin Wild Gripper is similar (I really wouldn't put one of those on the front but it makes a good rear).
My Mantra - which is currently set up as my mud bike - has an ancient 3" Panaracer Smoke, but you can't get those anymore and it's getting pretty worn so it will probably get a pair of Velociraptors this winter.
This is the problem in Scotland. It's the same when walking. Open fells no problem but low level walking is problematic as there are many paths and tracks but you don't know whether you can go on them or not.
It's not a problem though. In fact, it is very much the case that now there is a legal right of access to land in Scotland it's probably less of an issue than just about anywhere else in Europe. See http://www.snh.org.uk/pdfs/access/ApprovedCode050604.pdf for the Scottish Outdoor Access Code with details on what you can do and what is expected of you in return.
As for planning a run, if it's a double dashed path that's generally a land-rover track and should be no problem at all on an MTB. Single dashed paths may or may not work, as they vary from "is there really a path here?" to Landy tracks.
Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:25:51 +0100 someone who may be "Martin Bulmer" <[email hidden]> wrote this:-
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I'm off on holiday again soon, staying at Dunbar. I see from the OS map that all bridlepaths end at the border, presumably because of the different right-of-way law in Scotland.
A bike is an aid to walking in Scotland, just like a walking stick.
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This is the problem in Scotland. It's the same when walking. Open fells no problem but low level walking is problematic as there are many paths and tracks but you don't know whether you can go on them or not. I always feel wary using tracks that run past buildings in case some irate farmer comes out and sees me off. Best advice I can give is to ask for leaflets from the local TIC or see if you can bump into any other MTBers locally who might point you in the right direction
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I'm off on holiday again soon, staying at Dunbar. I see from the OS map
that
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all bridlepaths end at the border, presumably because of the different right-of-way law in Scotland. I do hope that English OS maps won't stop showing bridle paths and footpaths when the right to roam legislation
comes
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through. How do you borderers plan your routes? Still, it's probably for
the
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best, my off-road forays are never very succesful, and I always tell
myself
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not to be tempted by that bit of bridle path or RUPP etc. that goes just exactly where I want to go. It will be 3ft deep in mud, and/or rutted by motor vehicles. And full of flies. With a 4ft deep ford, a mainline
railway,
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and a couple of motorways to cross. Any favourite 20 to 35 mile on-road rides around Dunbar, suitable for a family man who doesn't get allowed out on his bike til late afternoon?
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"Peter Clinch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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bob watkinson said:
This is the problem in Scotland. It's the same when walking. Open
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problem but low level walking is problematic as there are many paths
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tracks but you don't know whether you can go on them or not.
It's not a problem though. In fact, it is very much the case that now there is a legal right of access to land in Scotland it's probably less of an issue than just about anywhere else in Europe. See http://www.snh.org.uk/pdfs/access/ApprovedCode050604.pdf for the Scottish Outdoor Access Code with details on what you can do and what is expected of you in return.
As for planning a run, if it's a double dashed path that's generally a land-rover track and should be no problem at all on an MTB. Single dashed paths may or may not work, as they vary from "is there really a path here?" to Landy tracks.
Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
Excellent! I new this legislation was due but I didn't know it was now in place. I still wonder though, would I feel comfortable disregarding 'Private' signs even though the law is now on my side. A barny with a stroppy land owner would still ruin my day.
The legislation is in place, but hasn't actually come into force yet. The final stage in parliament was rushed through on the last day before the recess so the law could come into force before the end of the year. Last I heard, the actual start date will be sometime in December. The delay is to allow time for Scottish Natural Heritage to produce publicity material.
-- Duncan Gray
homepage - www.duncolm.co.uk also www.mountaineering-scotland.org.uk The Mountaineering Council of Scotland
"Peter Clinch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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bob watkinson said:
This is the problem in Scotland. It's the same when walking. Open fells
no
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problem but low level walking is problematic as there are many paths and tracks but you don't know whether you can go on them or not.
It's not a problem though. In fact, it is very much the case that now there is a legal right of access to land in Scotland it's probably less of an issue than just about anywhere else in Europe. See http://www.snh.org.uk/pdfs/access/ApprovedCode050604.pdf for the Scottish Outdoor Access Code with details on what you can do and what is expected of you in return.
As for planning a run, if it's a double dashed path that's generally a land-rover track and should be no problem at all on an MTB. Single dashed paths may or may not work, as they vary from "is there really a path here?" to Landy tracks.
Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
Excellent! I new this legislation was due but I didn't know it was now in place. I still wonder though, would I feel comfortable disregarding 'Private' signs even though the law is now on my side. A barny with a stroppy land owner would still ruin my day.
On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:25:51 +0100, "Martin Bulmer" <[email hidden]> wrote: Still, it's probably for the
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best, my off-road forays are never very succesful, and I always tell myself not to be tempted by that bit of bridle path or RUPP etc. that goes just exactly where I want to go. It will be 3ft deep in mud, and/or rutted by motor vehicles. And full of flies. With a 4ft deep ford, a mainline railway, and a couple of motorways to cross.
lol!...you've just detailed most of my off-road forays too! Got hub-deep in mud once :-S oops!
I get hub-deep in mud quite frequently. You want a big back tyre with plenty of lateral tread. Velociraptors are a good tyre set but unfortunately you don't seem to be able to get the rear in anything wider than 2.1; Michelin Wild Gripper is similar (I really wouldn't put one of those on the front but it makes a good rear).
My Mantra - which is currently set up as my mud bike - has an ancient 3" Panaracer Smoke, but you can't get those anymore and it's getting pretty worn so it will probably get a pair of Velociraptors this winter.
I run Onza Dan and Daves .. 😉
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This is the problem in Scotland. It's the same when walking. Open fells no problem but low level walking is problematic as there are many paths and tracks but you don't know whether you can go on them or not.
You can *always* take a bike on a path in Scotland. It's the law, and (with very few exceptions) there's absolutely nothing the landowner can do about it - in fact he's breaking the law if he tries to deter you. Land Reform Act, 2003. Brilliant stuff.
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Excellent! I new this legislation was due but I didn't know it was now in place. I still wonder though, would I feel comfortable disregarding 'Private' signs even though the law is now on my side. A barny with a stroppy land owner would still ruin my day.
This is the problem in Scotland. It's the same when walking. Open fells no problem but low level walking is problematic as there are many paths and tracks but you don't know whether you can go on them or not.
It's not a problem though. In fact, it is very much the case that now there is a legal right of access to land in Scotland it's probably less of an issue than just about anywhere else in Europe. See http://www.snh.org.uk/pdfs/access/ApprovedCode050604.pdf for the Scottish Outdoor Access Code with details on what you can do and what is expected of you in return.
As for planning a run, if it's a double dashed path that's generally a land-rover track and should be no problem at all on an MTB. Single dashed paths may or may not work, as they vary from "is there really a path here?" to Landy tracks.
Pete.
Thanks for your help. I have to admit I wasn't expecting a 66 page pdf file, but I'll work my way through it! --
On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:25:51 +0100 someone who may be "Martin Bulmer" <[email hidden]> wrote this:-
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I'm off on holiday again soon, staying at Dunbar. I see from the OS map that all bridlepaths end at the border, presumably because of the different right-of-way law in Scotland.
A bike is an aid to walking in Scotland, just like a walking stick.
On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:25:51 +0100 someone who may be "Martin Bulmer" <[email hidden]> wrote this:-
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I'm off on holiday again soon, staying at Dunbar. I see from the OS map that all bridlepaths end at the border, presumably because of the different right-of-way law in Scotland.
A bike is an aid to walking in Scotland, just like a walking stick.
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:35:02 GMT, Simon Brooke <[email hidden]>
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I get hub-deep in mud quite frequently. You want a big back tyre with plenty of lateral tread. Velociraptors are a good tyre set but unfortunately you don't seem to be able to get the rear in anything wider than 2.1; Michelin Wild Gripper is similar (I really wouldn't put one of those on the front but it makes a good rear).
This was on my heavy-duty expedition bike - 2.1" Continental Town and Country tyres. Not alot of tread to speak of, but pleanty of suface area. Interesting experience I must say!
