Heyo, Stupid me, I just recabled my whole bike with cheap Nashbar cables and housings. Only after I completed the job (with nice dremelled ends, etc) did I realize that the Nashbar derailleur housings are just brake cable housings:
They arent made like SIS cables at all, and from what I can tell, they don't even have lining in them. THe only difference between the Brake and Derailleur option is the cable that comes inside the housing. Which means that the thinner derailleur cable has a lot more play inside the big brake cable housing as well.
It's not much of a question, but should I get some proper cable and redo it? I'm assuming the answer is yes..
Heyo, Stupid me, I just recabled my whole bike with cheap Nashbar cables and housings. Only after I completed the job (with nice dremelled ends, etc) did I realize that the Nashbar derailleur housings are just brake cable housings:
They arent made like SIS cables at all, and from what I can tell, they don't even have lining in them. THe only difference between the Brake and Derailleur option is the cable that comes inside the housing. Which means that the thinner derailleur cable has a lot more play inside the big brake cable housing as well.
It's not much of a question, but should I get some proper cable and redo it? I'm assuming the answer is yes..
Go to your LBS and get the right cables. You can get index shifting to work with brake cables, but it won't work well and you'll probably go nuts in the process. SIS cable not only has a liner in it, but the strands that make up the housing run parallel to the cable.
Go to your LBS and get the right cables. You can get index shifting to work with brake cables, but it won't work well and you'll probably go nuts in the process. SIS cable not only has a liner in it, but the strands that make up the housing run parallel to the cable.
Yeah man, I knew this already.. my post was more of a heads-up sort of thing for anything as stupid as me to think that that the nashbar cables would actually be good.
As for the LBS thing, I rode over to the 2 on the other end of the city today but both were closed. The one closest to me has [censored] me off about 10 solid times, the most recently being when I went to buy spokes from them yesterday.. only to get 8 spokes that all varied in length and guage.
Heyo, Stupid me, I just recabled my whole bike with cheap Nashbar cables and housings. Only after I completed the job (with nice dremelled ends, etc) did I realize that the Nashbar derailleur housings are just brake cable housings:
They arent made like SIS cables at all, and from what I can tell, they don't even have lining in them. THe only difference between the Brake and Derailleur option is the cable that comes inside the housing. Which means that the thinner derailleur cable has a lot more play inside the big brake cable housing as well.
It's not much of a question, but should I get some proper cable and redo it? I'm assuming the answer is yes..
You say "recabled" so I assume you finished the job, but you do not say how it shifts with the new cables. If everything works fine why change it? Seems like the worst that could happen is it starts shifting not so smoothly some time in the future, at which point you could say "you know, all this talk about special shifter cable really is true." and you would then be an expert on the subject.
Heyo, Stupid me, I just recabled my whole bike with cheap Nashbar cables and housings. Only after I completed the job (with nice dremelled ends, etc) did I realize that the Nashbar derailleur housings are just brake cable housings:
They arent made like SIS cables at all, and from what I can tell, they don't even have lining in them. THe only difference between the Brake and Derailleur option is the cable that comes inside the housing. Which means that the thinner derailleur cable has a lot more play inside the big brake cable housing as well.
It's not much of a question, but should I get some proper cable and redo it? I'm assuming the answer is yes..
You say "recabled" so I assume you finished the job, but you do not say how it shifts with the new cables. If everything works fine why change it? Seems like the worst that could happen is it starts shifting not so smoothly some time in the future, at which point you could say "you know, all this talk about special shifter cable really is true." and you would then be an expert on the subject.
Back when I was a mechanic in a LBS I ran across the brake cable instead of SIS cable problem a few times. My experience tells me everything is not going to work fine, even from day one. The liner is only part of the package, the other part is the way the cable housing is constructed to minimize compression during shifting.
They arent made like SIS cables at all, and from what I can tell, they
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even have lining in them. THe only difference between the Brake and Derailleur option is the cable that comes inside the housing. Which
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cable housing as well.
It's not much of a question, but should I get some proper cable and redo
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I'm assuming the answer is yes..
You say "recabled" so I assume you finished the job, but you do not say how it shifts with the new cables. If everything works fine why change
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Seems like the worst that could happen is it starts shifting not so smoothly some time in the future, at which point you could say "you
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all this talk about special shifter cable really is true." and you would then be an expert on the subject.
Back when I was a mechanic in a LBS I ran across the brake cable instead of SIS cable problem a few times. My experience tells me everything is not going to work fine, even from day one. The liner is only part of the package, the other part is the way the cable housing is constructed to minimize compression during shifting.
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Back when I was a mechanic in a LBS I ran across the brake cable instead of SIS cable problem a few times. My experience tells me everything is not going to work fine, even from day one. The liner is only part of the package, the other part is the way the cable housing is constructed to minimize compression during shifting.
If it minimizes compression better than regular brake cable, wouldn't it be better for brakes, too?
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Back when I was a mechanic in a LBS I ran across the brake cable instead of SIS cable problem a few times. My experience tells me everything is not going to work fine, even from day one. The liner is only part of the package, the other part is the way the cable housing is constructed to minimize compression during shifting.
If it minimizes compression better than regular brake cable, wouldn't it be better for brakes, too?
Never do it. That's the recommendation, though I've never experimented with shifter cable outers on brakes and will never do so.
As long as the plastic covering (outside of the cable outer strands) always holds, you should of course get great breaking. But brake pressure can cause it to rupture, with the strands buckling outwards. Result can well cause the brake handle to bottom out on the handlebar before you get braking power. Very nasty.
The forces require to move a derailleur are much less than those required to activate brakes. Derailleur cable outer is designed to maintain shifting accuracy - and it does that very well - but not to withstand high compressive forces.
If you see anyone trying this stunt, warn them . . .
The loads are way different, and the construction of derailleur cables is such that strands of steel that run lengthwise are held together basically by the outer plastic casing. When you put a lot of pressure on it, for braking.. that can easily split, and your cable goes bye-bye.
Brake cables however are made of a spiral (or rings) of steel that can't split like that.
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Back when I was a mechanic in a LBS I ran across the brake cable instead of SIS cable problem a few times. My experience tells me everything is not going to work fine, even from day one. The liner is only part of the package, the other part is the way the cable housing is constructed to minimize compression during shifting.
If it minimizes compression better than regular brake cable, wouldn't it be better for brakes, too?
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Heyo, Stupid me, I just recabled my whole bike with cheap Nashbar cables and housings. Only after I completed the job (with nice dremelled ends, etc) did I realize that the Nashbar derailleur housings are just brake cable housings:
They arent made like SIS cables at all, and from what I can tell, they don't even have lining in them. THe only difference between the Brake and Derailleur option is the cable that comes inside the housing. Which means that the thinner derailleur cable has a lot more play inside the big brake cable housing as well.
It's not much of a question, but should I get some proper cable and redo it? I'm assuming the answer is yes..
Heyo, Stupid me, I just recabled my whole bike with cheap Nashbar cables and housings. Only after I completed the job (with nice dremelled ends, etc) did I realize that the Nashbar derailleur housings are just brake cable housings:
They arent made like SIS cables at all, and from what I can tell, they don't even have lining in them. THe only difference between the Brake and Derailleur option is the cable that comes inside the housing. Which means that the thinner derailleur cable has a lot more play inside the big brake cable housing as well.
It's not much of a question, but should I get some proper cable and redo it? I'm assuming the answer is yes..
Are you certain it is brake housing, and not 5mm derailleur housing? Lots of 5mm (vs 4mm) derailleur housing out there. 5mm is the same diameter as brake housing, so the bigger derailleur housing is supposed to have a bit more room inside. Easy to distinguish by the construction of the metal housing inside the plastic. I've converted all my bikes to 5mm derailleur housing; bit better shifting.
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Heyo, Stupid me, I just recabled my whole bike with cheap Nashbar cables and housings. Only after I completed the job (with nice dremelled ends, etc) did I realize that the Nashbar derailleur housings are just brake cable housings:
If you have Oshman's near you, they have original Shimano SIS housing for ~$0.5/foot, brake housing I believe is even cheaper. They are black only though. My LBS charges ~>$2/foot and they were OEM. These are 4 mm if you prefer >4mm, I can't help you there. Also, Colorado Cyclist (or Excel?) sells the silver Shimano cable kit for $20 to $25?
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Heyo, Stupid me, I just recabled my whole bike with cheap Nashbar cables and housings. Only after I completed the job (with nice dremelled ends, etc) did I realize that the Nashbar derailleur housings are just brake cable housings:
They arent made like SIS cables at all, and from what I can tell, they don't even have lining in them. THe only difference between the Brake and Derailleur option is the cable that comes inside the housing. Which means that the thinner derailleur cable has a lot more play inside the big brake cable housing as well.
It's not much of a question, but should I get some proper cable and redo it? I'm assuming the answer is yes..
