Does Millar continue?

"Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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There was a long thread on Millar and epo, but I didn't see any discussion
on if he will continue. He's 28 (I think), so that makes him 30 when the
suspension is lifted. He's already said he will sell the mansion he was
restoring in Birrantz, France, and the supermodel he was supporting has
taken off. Does Millar like to pay taxes, even Ja ja couldn't take those
hits, and moved to Switzerland. I doubt if he saved much of his 800,000
euros, between the taxman and the supermodel, so it's obvious he still has
to work. Will he wait for Liggett to have an unfortunate cycling accident?
Where does David Millar, go from here?

art school?

"Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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There was a long thread on Millar and epo, but I didn't see any discussion
on if he will continue. He's 28 (I think), so that makes him 30 when the
suspension is lifted. He's already said he will sell the mansion he was
restoring in Birrantz, France, and the supermodel he was supporting has
taken off. Does Millar like to pay taxes, even Ja ja couldn't take those
hits, and moved to Switzerland. I doubt if he saved much of his 800,000
euros, between the taxman and the supermodel, so it's obvious he still has
to work. Will he wait for Liggett to have an unfortunate cycling accident?
Where does David Millar, go from here?

It's all up to David. He can learn from these episodes and come back
in like Spotty [censored], of he could say 'fsck it' and do something else,
like race cars.

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There was a long thread on Millar and epo, but I didn't see any discussion
on if he will continue. He's 28 (I think), so that makes him 30 when the
suspension is lifted. He's already said he will sell the mansion he was
restoring in Birrantz, France, and the supermodel he was supporting has
taken off. Does Millar like to pay taxes, even Ja ja couldn't take those
hits, and moved to Switzerland. I doubt if he saved much of his 800,000
euros, between the taxman and the supermodel, so it's obvious he still has
to work. Will he wait for Liggett to have an unfortunate cycling accident?
Where does David Millar, go from here?

It's all up to David. He can learn from these episodes and come back
in like Spotty [censored], of he could say 'fsck it' and do something else,
like race cars.

Or motorcycles? He's one hell of a bike handler, though I don't really know
how it translates to heavier machinery.

-Sonarrat.

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It's all up to David. He can learn from these episodes and come back
in like Spotty [censored], of he could say 'fsck it' and do something else,
like race cars.

Or motorcycles? He's one hell of a bike handler, though I don't really

know

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how it translates to heavier machinery.

Or he could be some sort of UN bigwig. He claims to be a global
citizen, so that would be a match.

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"Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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There was a long thread on Millar and epo, but I didn't see any

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on if he will continue. He's 28 (I think), so that makes him 30 when

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suspension is lifted. He's already said he will sell the mansion he

was

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restoring in Birrantz, France, and the supermodel he was supporting has
taken off. Does Millar like to pay taxes, even Ja ja couldn't take

those

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hits, and moved to Switzerland. I doubt if he saved much of his

800,000

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euros, between the taxman and the supermodel, so it's obvious he still

has

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to work. Will he wait for Liggett to have an unfortunate cycling

accident?

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Where does David Millar, go from here?

It's all up to David. He can learn from these episodes and come back
in like Spotty [censored], of he could say 'fsck it' and do something else,
like race cars.

Or motorcycles? He's one hell of a bike handler, though

What makes you think that? He seems about typical (enough to get by anyway).
The really exceptional bike handlers can probably ride heavier vehicles. It
is the element of power and even higher speeds that makes the difference
much more than weight.

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I don't really know
how it translates to heavier machinery.

-Sonarrat.

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"Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> There was a long thread on Millar and epo, but I didn't see any

discussion

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> on if he will continue. He's 28 (I think), so that makes him 30 when

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> suspension is lifted. He's already said he will sell the mansion he

was

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> restoring in Birrantz, France, and the supermodel he was supporting has
> taken off. Does Millar like to pay taxes, even Ja ja couldn't take

those

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> hits, and moved to Switzerland. I doubt if he saved much of his

800,000

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> euros, between the taxman and the supermodel, so it's obvious he still

has

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> to work. Will he wait for Liggett to have an unfortunate cycling

accident?

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> Where does David Millar, go from here?

It's all up to David. He can learn from these episodes and come back
in like Spotty [censored], of he could say 'fsck it' and do something else,
like race cars.

Or motorcycles? He's one hell of a bike handler, though

What makes you think that? He seems about typical (enough to get by anyway).

No, Millar is exceptional. The Vuelta stage that he won last year was not
drugs, it was entirely courtesy of his superlative descending skills.

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The really exceptional bike handlers can probably ride heavier vehicles. It
is the element of power and even higher speeds that makes the difference
much more than weight.

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No, Millar is exceptional. The Vuelta stage that he won last year was not
drugs, it was entirely courtesy of his superlative descending skills.

I think that most of the smaller pro racers could transition to the 250s
fairly easily as a lot of the riding skills are similar, at least in my
opinion.
In the bigger categories "He who brakes last wins" and then has the power to
get back out quicker. I haven't ridden a 250 racer in years but it used to be
that to be fast you needed to be smooth, there was a premium on keeping your
speed up, and picking the fastest line with the least braking was critical.
These are all skills any winning bicycle racer has to have.
Bill C

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No, Millar is exceptional. The Vuelta stage that he won last year was

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drugs, it was entirely courtesy of his superlative descending skills.

I think that most of the smaller pro racers could transition to the 250s
fairly easily as a lot of the riding skills are similar, at least in my
opinion.

Then maybe I should give it a shot. I rarely lose any ground to any cyclists
of any category on decents or any corners and can normally count on the to
close gaps or make one on my own. I don't think my moto slills are anything
that great but maybe I have not tried hard enough. FWIW, I am also pretty
fast on 4 wheels on circuits so although you might think I am being
sarcastic, I am sort-of serious.

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In the bigger categories "He who brakes last wins" and then has the power

to

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get back out quicker. I haven't ridden a 250 racer in years but it used to

be

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that to be fast you needed to be smooth, there was a premium on keeping

your

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speed up, and picking the fastest line with the least braking was

critical.

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These are all skills any winning bicycle racer has to have.
Bill C

I am sorry, but there is a much larger range in the bike handling skills of
the pros than most seem to think. You can win LOTS of races by going fast,
especially on hills but still SUCK at riding at the limit of the roads. That
is just the state of things. I am not even talking about Tyler bad (who for
all I know simply has bad luck and poor vision). There are some guys that
just totally suck. I can't think of any right off the top of my head (this
generation seems to be a bit better, (or maybe the bikes, tires and brakes
are).

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From: "Chris" [email hidden]
Date: 8/7/2004 1:58 PM Eastern

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I am sorry, but there is a much larger range in the bike handling skills of
the pros than most seem to think. You can win LOTS of races by going fast,
especially on hills but still SUCK at riding at the limit of the roads. That
is just the state of things. I am not even talking about Tyler bad (who for
all I know simply has bad luck and poor vision). There are some guys that
just totally suck. I can't think of any right off the top of my head (this
generation seems to be a bit better, (or maybe the bikes, tires and brakes
are).

Chris I think anyone who could make it to the pros as a bicycle racer has a
lot of the same skills to race 250s. I know there is a huge spread inhandling,
but there is in motrorcycling too.
I know we've got some people around here who have been involved in racing more
recently than me, maybe they have a more accurate opinion.
Bill C

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From: "Chris" [email hidden]
Date: 8/7/2004 1:58 PM Eastern

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I am sorry, but there is a much larger range in the bike handling skills of
the pros than most seem to think. You can win LOTS of races by going fast,
especially on hills but still SUCK at riding at the limit of the roads. That
is just the state of things. I am not even talking about Tyler bad (who for
all I know simply has bad luck and poor vision). There are some guys that
just totally suck. I can't think of any right off the top of my head (this
generation seems to be a bit better, (or maybe the bikes, tires and brakes
are).

Chris I think anyone who could make it to the pros as a bicycle racer has a
lot of the same skills to race 250s. I know there is a huge spread
in handling, but there is in motrorcycling too.
I know we've got some people around here who have been involved in racing
more recently than me, maybe they have a more accurate opinion.
Bill C

If I was the typical, average sized, light-weight cycle racer and wanted
to go motorcycle roadracing, I'd start with a season on 125s. They are
physically small bikes, but they are also absurdly light. The lower
horsepower they have really emphasizes corner speed and smoothness (i.e.
minimal use of the brakes). Those are features that seem most similar to
bicycle racing to me. Then take a step up to 250s, which have the same
characteristics (as you mentioned earlier), just less so than 125s. You
have to learn what to do with the extra power that 250s have.

One thing that would be sort of important in this is for the rider to
work on getting some upper body strength.

Ryan Cousineau has raced motos before, and I believe Carl Sundquist has
some experience on tracks, too.

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tanx,
Howard

So far, so good, so what?

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