Powerbar woes

the black rose said:

In the spirit of trying anything that isn't likely to kill me, I decided
to try having a Powerbar along with me on my ride this morning.

First, I left it in my wedge pack and forgot about it. So I get home
and think, Okay, I'll have this for my post-ride snack. Took a small
bite (about 1cm x 1cm piece). And tasted peanuts. It's a chocolate
Powerbar, by the way.

I'm not allergic enough to peanuts for a small amount to do serious
damage, so I chew and swallow. Except for the vague peanut flavor, not
too bad (not good, mind you, but tolerable). My stomach was immediately
unhappy. *Then* I read the label (yeah, I know, stupid for anyone with
food allergies, but none of mine are life threatening, just
uncomfortable). The ingredients, which do not include peanuts, were
followed by these words in boldface: MADE ON EQUIPMENT THAT ALSO
PROCESSES PEANUTS, NUTS, AND SOY.

Well, I can't say they didn't warn me. I'm also allergic to soy, rather
more so than peanuts. Within 10 minutes, I was cramping severely.
*sigh*

That'll learn me.

I think I should start making my own.

-km, feeling better now

I've been using corn sugar (dextrose, aka one form of glucose) for a while
now. You can find it at a beer brewing store. I paid $1/pound and take
in about 20 grams an hour for my long rides. I also use Whey protein for
longer rides. This allows me to control what's in my drinks/food as
opposed to the bars (I do, however, use the bars for those 4-5 hour rides
when liquid just isn't enough).

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the black rose said:

and think, Okay, I'll have this for my post-ride snack. Took a small
bite (about 1cm x 1cm piece). And tasted peanuts. It's a chocolate
Powerbar, by the way.

I'm not allergic enough to peanuts for a small amount to do serious
damage, so I chew and swallow. Except for the vague peanut flavor, not
too bad (not good, mind you, but tolerable). My stomach was immediately
unhappy. *Then* I read the label (yeah, I know, stupid for anyone with
food allergies, but none of mine are life threatening, just
uncomfortable). The ingredients, which do not include peanuts, were
followed by these words in boldface: MADE ON EQUIPMENT THAT ALSO
PROCESSES PEANUTS, NUTS, AND SOY.

Well, I too am allergic to peanuts and soy. Rather common allergies,
caused, I believe, by massive over-exposure to these things. I have not
had trouble with regular Power Bars -- the chewy kind that, oddly, look
like they've already been chewed to a pulp. But I have to avoid like the
plague the better-tasting and better-textured versions, since they all
have large quantities of soy.

I certainly have not noticed any peanut flavor in the chocolate ones.

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Quoted message said:

In the spirit of trying anything that isn't likely to kill me, I decided
to try having a Powerbar along with me on my ride this morning.

First, I left it in my wedge pack and forgot about it. So I get home
and think, Okay, I'll have this for my post-ride snack. Took a small
bite (about 1cm x 1cm piece). And tasted peanuts. It's a chocolate
Powerbar, by the way.

I'm not allergic enough to peanuts for a small amount to do serious
damage, so I chew and swallow. Except for the vague peanut flavor, not
too bad (not good, mind you, but tolerable). My stomach was immediately
unhappy. *Then* I read the label (yeah, I know, stupid for anyone with
food allergies, but none of mine are life threatening, just
uncomfortable). The ingredients, which do not include peanuts, were
followed by these words in boldface: MADE ON EQUIPMENT THAT ALSO
PROCESSES PEANUTS, NUTS, AND SOY.

Well, I can't say they didn't warn me. I'm also allergic to soy, rather
more so than peanuts. Within 10 minutes, I was cramping severely. *sigh*

That'll learn me.

I think I should start making my own.

-km, feeling better now

Good to know. I'm not allergic to peanuts, just pistachios and cashews,
which aren't likely to be used in those bars. However, there are other bars
which are okay. I can also tell if I'm allergic to anything in the bars, my
mouth gets itchy. Fortunately, I'm also not allergic enough to be in fear
for my life, but it's just unpleasant. I find that Luna bars and Balance
bars are okay.

However, no pistachios means no baklava, and that really hurts.

Marlene Blanshay said:

However, no pistachios means no baklava, and that really hurts.

Ow!

Avocados make my mouth itch and get blisters, which means no guacamole.
Hardly the same scale as being forbidden baklava.

Perhaps you could learn to make baklava, and substitute a nut of your
choice for the pistachios? It wouldn't taste quite the same, but it
would certainly be delicious.

-km

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Marlene Blanshay said:

However, no pistachios means no baklava, and that really hurts.

Ow!

I'd be fine if the baklava didn't have walnuts, which I'm allergic to, and
only had pisachios.

Quoted message said:

Hardly the same scale as being forbidden baklava.

Perhaps you could learn to make baklava, and substitute a nut of your
choice for the pistachios? It wouldn't taste quite the same, but it
would certainly be delicious.

Then you'd have to make it -- none of this being tempted by it as it sits in
the deli case.

Balaclavas, that's a different story.

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Marlene Blanshay said:

However, no pistachios means no baklava, and that really hurts.

Ow!

Avocados make my mouth itch and get blisters, which means no guacamole.
Hardly the same scale as being forbidden baklava.

Perhaps you could learn to make baklava, and substitute a nut of your
choice for the pistachios? It wouldn't taste quite the same, but it
would certainly be delicious.

-km

So then what's the point? I guess I'll just have to accept it. And making
baklava is not easy!

the black rose said:

Avocados make my mouth itch and get blisters, which means no guacamole.
Hardly the same scale as being forbidden baklava.

mon dieu! i would sooner starve to death than live a life without avacados.
baklava is certainly tasty but avacados are something else entirely. a
gift from the gods for vegetarians. it's up there with portabello mushrooms
and eggplants. incomparable to a mere dessert.
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the black rose said:

Avocados make my mouth itch and get blisters, which means no guacamole.
Hardly the same scale as being forbidden baklava.

mon dieu! i would sooner starve to death than live a life without

avacados.

Quoted message said:

baklava is certainly tasty but avacados are something else entirely. a
gift from the gods for vegetarians. it's up there with portabello

mushrooms

Quoted message said:

and eggplants. incomparable to a mere dessert.

I believe that avocados are also recommended to cyclists because of their
vitamin and especially potassium content -- higher than bananas. Of course,
it's their fat content that makes them so tasty -- but isn't it one of those
"good" fats?

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the black rose said:

I think I should start making my own.

I've set out to make powerbars a few times. But each time,
I figured 'in for a dime; in for a dollar', and ended up
making cookies or date-nut loaf instead.

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the black rose said:

Avocados make my mouth itch and get blisters, which means no guacamole.
Hardly the same scale as being forbidden baklava.

mon dieu! i would sooner starve to death than live a life without

avacados.

Quoted message said:

baklava is certainly tasty but avacados are something else entirely. a
gift from the gods for vegetarians. it's up there with portabello

mushrooms

Quoted message said:

and eggplants. incomparable to a mere dessert.

I believe that avocados are also recommended to cyclists because of their
vitamin and especially potassium content -- higher than bananas. Of course,
it's their fat content that makes them so tasty -- but isn't it one of those
"good" fats?

My mummy always used to make dessert from avocados, with cold milk and
a bit of sugar.

mmmmm.

-Luigi

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Claire Petersky wrote:
:: "David Reuteler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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::: the black rose <[email hidden]> wrote:
:::: Avocados make my mouth itch and get blisters, which means no
:::: guacamole. Hardly the same scale as being forbidden baklava.
:::
::: mon dieu! i would sooner starve to death than live a life without
::: avacados. baklava is certainly tasty but avacados are something
::: else entirely. a gift from the gods for vegetarians. it's up
::: there with portabello mushrooms and eggplants. incomparable to a
::: mere dessert.
::
:: I believe that avocados are also recommended to cyclists because of
:: their vitamin and especially potassium content -- higher than
:: bananas. Of course, it's their fat content that makes them so tasty
:: -- but isn't it one of those "good" fats?

Yes.

If there is such a thing as a "good" or "bad" fat...

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Claire Petersky wrote:
:: "David Reuteler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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::: the black rose <[email hidden]> wrote:
:::: Avocados make my mouth itch and get blisters, which means no
:::: guacamole. Hardly the same scale as being forbidden baklava.
:::
::: mon dieu! i would sooner starve to death than live a life without
::: avacados. baklava is certainly tasty but avacados are something
::: else entirely. a gift from the gods for vegetarians. it's up
::: there with portabello mushrooms and eggplants. incomparable to a
::: mere dessert.
::
:: I believe that avocados are also recommended to cyclists because of
:: their vitamin and especially potassium content -- higher than
:: bananas. Of course, it's their fat content that makes them so tasty
:: -- but isn't it one of those "good" fats?

Yes.

If there is such a thing as a "good" or "bad" fat...

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Claire Petersky wrote:
:: "David Reuteler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
::: the black rose <[email hidden]> wrote:
:::: Avocados make my mouth itch and get blisters, which means no
:::: guacamole. Hardly the same scale as being forbidden baklava.
:::
::: mon dieu! i would sooner starve to death than live a life without
::: avacados. baklava is certainly tasty but avacados are something
::: else entirely. a gift from the gods for vegetarians. it's up
::: there with portabello mushrooms and eggplants. incomparable to a
::: mere dessert.
::
:: I believe that avocados are also recommended to cyclists because of
:: their vitamin and especially potassium content -- higher than
:: bananas. Of course, it's their fat content that makes them so tasty
:: -- but isn't it one of those "good" fats?

Yes.

Steve Knight wrote:
:: right now I can't have any type of sugars grains or starch. you
:: think avoiding peanuts and soy is hard. sugar is in everything. even
:: in a can of peas. sorbital and maltital are out too.
::

meat, fish, fowl, eggs, cheese, veggies...

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Claire Petersky wrote:

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> I believe that avocados are also recommended to cyclists because of
> their vitamin and especially potassium content -- higher than
> bananas. Of course, it's their fat content that makes them so tasty
> -- but isn't it one of those "good" fats?

Yes.

If there is such a thing as a "good" or "bad" fat...

There most certainly are.

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Claire Petersky wrote:

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>> I believe that avocados are also recommended to cyclists because of
>> their vitamin and especially potassium content -- higher than
>> bananas. Of course, it's their fat content that makes them so tasty
>> -- but isn't it one of those "good" fats?

Yes.

If there is such a thing as a "good" or "bad" fat...

There most certainly are.

I'm unconvinced. I'm on low carb and eat more saturated fat than I ever
have (after being on low fat for many years), and I've increased my HDL,
decreased my fasting blood glucose, decreased my triglycerides and
improved my total cholesterol/HDL ratios. All the while losing almost 60
pounds.

For opposing viewpoints to yours, see:

http://www.thincs.org/
http://www.mercola.com/2002/aug/17/saturated_fat1.htm
http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/know_your_fats.html

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> Claire Petersky wrote:

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>>> I believe that avocados are also recommended to cyclists because of
>>> their vitamin and especially potassium content -- higher than
>>> bananas. Of course, it's their fat content that makes them so tasty
>>> -- but isn't it one of those "good" fats?
>
> Yes.

If there is such a thing as a "good" or "bad" fat...

There most certainly are.

I'm unconvinced. I'm on low carb and eat more saturated fat than I ever
have (after being on low fat for many years), and I've increased my HDL,
decreased my fasting blood glucose, decreased my triglycerides and
improved my total cholesterol/HDL ratios. All the while losing almost
60 pounds.

For opposing viewpoints to yours, see:

http://www.thincs.org/
http://www.mercola.com/2002/aug/17/saturated_fat1.htm
http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/know_your_fats.html

I should note that transfats appear to be bad. So, hydrogenated fats are
bad.

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> If there is such a thing as a "good" or "bad" fat...

There most certainly are.

I'm unconvinced. I'm on low carb and eat more saturated fat than I
ever have (after being on low fat for many years), and I've
increased my HDL, decreased my fasting blood glucose, decreased my
triglycerides and improved my total cholesterol/HDL ratios. All the
while losing almost 60 pounds.

For opposing viewpoints to yours, see:

http://www.thincs.org/
http://www.mercola.com/2002/aug/17/saturated_fat1.htm
http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/know_your_fats.html

I should note that transfats appear to be bad. So, hydrogenated fats
are bad.

You beat me to it. Trans/hydrogenated fats have no redeeming health
qualities at all. The low carb/saturated fats thing is still up in the air.
The problem is that you'd expect to see decreased triglycerides and improved
cholesterol levels in anyone who was significantly overweight and unhealthy
and who subsequently started eating properly and lost a significant amount
of weight. That doesn't mean you can overdose on saturated fats with
impunity. This is one area where I have always disagreed with Atkins and I
am accordingly careful to keep my saturated fats intake below 1/3 of my
total fats intake.

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