SIDI still made in Italy?

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maintaining or going down, so it would be a little bit of a
disappointment if the shoes were, in fact, not made in Italy, but
somewhere like China. Anyone know the scoop on this?

Hmm... if it works well and is comfortable, then you can just write "Made in
Italy for supergiraffe" on the sole and be done with it.

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

supergiraffe said:

Anyone know the scoop on this?

I don't know anything other than that I have seen good footware from
Slovenia.

JT

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

I don't know anything other than that I have seen good footware from
Slovenia.

Oh, my. Perusing THOSE kinds of websites, eh? Mail-order
fetishes...tsk-tsk.

Bill "sorry, slow morning" S.

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I recently purchased a pair of SIDI Genius 4 shoes to replace my
faithful, but tired, old Diadoras. Somewhat conspicuous by its absence
was any reference to "Made in Italy" on the new SIDIs. In fact, they
don't say anywhere where they are made (the Diadoras said made in
Slovenia, or something). I note this, because my wife's Sidi Veronas
(basically Genius 3s for women) say "Made in Italy" everywhere -- on
the bottom of the outsole, on the sockliner, underneath the sockliner,
etc. The new shoes are great -- comfortable and stiff enough -- and
seem very well made. However, SIDI Genius shoes are still advertised
in most places as being "italian made" and the prices have gone up for
2004 rather than maintaining or going down, so it would be a little bit
of a disappointment if the shoes were, in fact, not made in Italy, but
somewhere like China. Anyone know the scoop on this?

What's wrong with the Chinese?

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On 29 Jul 2004 08:53:43 -0700, [email hidden] (Evan Evans)

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...so it would be a little bit
of a disappointment if the shoes were, in fact, not made in Italy, but
somewhere like China. Anyone know the scoop on this?

What's wrong with the Chinese?

Nothing intrinsically, but if a manufacturer is going to trade on the
reputation of a certain nation as the place of origin of their goods,
then they bloody well need to make the freaking product there or admit
that they've [censored] off to the slave pens like all the other greedy
[censored].

If I want $12 Chinese shoes, I can go to Wal-Mart. (In fact, I do,
but I also have hand-made US-produced shoes as well.) If I'm spending
$140 for a pair of Italian shoes, they'd best *be* Italian, and not
some high-profit screw-the-workers substitute. (Yes, I know,
Mall-Wart doesn't have cycling shoes *yet*, but if enough of a market
for them develops, they'll have them cheaper than anyone else.)
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On 29 Jul 2004 08:53:43 -0700, [email hidden] (Evan Evans)

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...so it would be a little bit
of a disappointment if the shoes were, in fact, not made in Italy, but
somewhere like China. Anyone know the scoop on this?

What's wrong with the Chinese?

Nothing intrinsically, but if a manufacturer is going to trade on the
reputation of a certain nation as the place of origin of their goods,
then they bloody well need to make the freaking product there or admit
that they've [censored] off to the slave pens like all the other greedy
[censored].

If I want $12 Chinese shoes, I can go to Wal-Mart. (In fact, I do,
but I also have hand-made US-produced shoes as well.) If I'm spending
$140 for a pair of Italian shoes, they'd best *be* Italian, and not
some high-profit screw-the-workers substitute. (Yes, I know,
Mall-Wart doesn't have cycling shoes *yet*, but if enough of a market
for them develops, they'll have them cheaper than anyone else.)
--
Typoes are a feature, not a bug.
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Interesting article about the Italian bicycle industry in the Aug 1st. issue of
Bicycle Retailer. It appears that the bicycle industry there is in a serious
crisis. Sales are way down and companies are consulidating and some even going
bankrupt. Bike production has dropped from 5.6 million units in 1994 to 2.5
million last year. The high labor costs and the strong Euro are driving small
companies out of business. The Italians have done what the rest of the world
did years ago and now have many of their products produced in Taiwan and China.
But they still put the "made in Italy" sticker on these products. I would
think that shoes could be made much cheaper in China than in Italy. I noticed
that Vittoria now has tires made in Taiwan. I think Campagnolo even has some of
its parts made in China. Sad situation when you can't believe what's on a
label.

Neal

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Interesting article about the Italian bicycle industry in the Aug 1st.

issue of

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Bicycle Retailer. It appears that the bicycle industry there is in a

serious

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crisis. Sales are way down and companies are consulidating and some even

going

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bankrupt. Bike production has dropped from 5.6 million units in 1994 to

2.5

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million last year. The high labor costs and the strong Euro are driving

small

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companies out of business. The Italians have done what the rest of the

world

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did years ago and now have many of their products produced in Taiwan and

China.

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But they still put the "made in Italy" sticker on these products. I

would

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think that shoes could be made much cheaper in China than in Italy. I

noticed

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that Vittoria now has tires made in Taiwan. I think Campagnolo even has

some of

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its parts made in China. Sad situation when you can't believe what's on a
label.

Neal

I believe the Italians paint the entire bike and then label it "Made in
Italy". I am not sure if there is some kind of trade law at play here, or
what is going on. IIRC, their titanium bikes have been made in Russia or
some other place beside Italy.

Taiwan has become the world production center for bike stuff. The rest is up
to marketing...

Bruce

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On 29 Jul 2004 08:53:43 -0700, [email hidden] (Evan Evans)

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>...so it would be a little bit
>of a disappointment if the shoes were, in fact, not made in Italy, but
>somewhere like China. Anyone know the scoop on this?

<snip>

Italians have done what the rest of the world
did years ago and now have many of their products produced in Taiwan and China.
But they still put the "made in Italy" sticker on these products. I would
think that shoes could be made much cheaper in China than in Italy. I noticed
that Vittoria now has tires made in Taiwan. I think Campagnolo even has some of
its parts made in China. Sad situation when you can't believe what's on a
label.

Neal

<pedant>
I think Vittoria tyres are made in Thailand not Taiwan
</pedant>

I take your point. Many of these brands have dropped in quality since
they outsourced their manufacture. I wont buy Vittoria anymore due to this.

Stan Cox

On 29 Jul 2004 08:53:43 -0700, [email hidden] (Evan Evans)

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supergiraffe <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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I recently purchased a pair of SIDI Genius 4 shoes to replace my
faithful, but tired, old Diadoras. Somewhat conspicuous by its absence
was any reference to "Made in Italy" on the new SIDIs. In fact, they
don't say anywhere where they are made (the Diadoras said made in
Slovenia, or something). I note this, because my wife's Sidi Veronas
(basically Genius 3s for women) say "Made in Italy" everywhere -- on
the bottom of the outsole, on the sockliner, underneath the sockliner,
etc. The new shoes are great -- comfortable and stiff enough -- and
seem very well made. However, SIDI Genius shoes are still advertised
in most places as being "italian made" and the prices have gone up for
2004 rather than maintaining or going down, so it would be a little bit
of a disappointment if the shoes were, in fact, not made in Italy, but
somewhere like China. Anyone know the scoop on this?

What's wrong with the Chinese?

Nothing I think. My Chinese wife has really nice Slovenian ski boots,
and both are quite good.

JT

Werehatrack said:

bloody.... freaking...[censored]... slave...[censored].

It's "friggin'", not "freaking."

JT

Neal said:

I noticed
that Vittoria now has tires made in Taiwan.

Where has you seen that?

I know Vittoria tires that are made in Thailand and are at least as
good as when they were made in Italy, but I'm not aware of any made in
Taiwan.

JT

On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 18:57:10 GMT, Stan Cox <[email hidden]>

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Many of these brands have dropped in quality since
they outsourced their manufacture. I wont buy Vittoria anymore due to this.

What evidence or experience do you have of that? I used to use
Italian Vittoria tubulars and now use the Thai ones, and see no
difference.

JT

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

Werehatrack said:

bloody.... freaking...[censored]... slave...[censored].

It's "friggin'", not "freaking."

JT

No. It's "[censored]". [censored] is a perfectly good word, in wide use for
centuries.

Stop the euphemisms.

On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:50:06 GMT, Ted <[email hidden]>

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John Forrest Tomlinson said:

Werehatrack said:

bloody.... freaking...[censored]... slave...[censored].

It's "friggin'", not "freaking."

JT

No. I

Sorry, my joke wasn't obvious.

JT

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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:50:06 GMT, Ted <[email hidden]>

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John Forrest Tomlinson said:

On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:01:09 GMT, Werehatrack
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> bloody.... freaking...[censored]... slave...[censored].

It's "friggin'", not "freaking."

JT

No. I

Sorry, my joke wasn't obvious.

I thought it was frickin' obvious.

Bill "slow afternoon now" S.

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Neal said:

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On 29 Jul 2004 08:53:43 -0700, [email hidden] (Evan Evans)

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supergiraffe <[email hidden]> wrote in

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> ...so it would be a little bit
> of a disappointment if the shoes were, in fact, not made in Italy, but
> somewhere like China. Anyone know the scoop on this?

What's wrong with the Chinese?

Nothing intrinsically, but if a manufacturer is going to trade on the
reputation of a certain nation as the place of origin of their goods,
then they bloody well need to make the freaking product there or admit
that they've [censored] off to the slave pens like all the other greedy
[censored].

If I want $12 Chinese shoes, I can go to Wal-Mart. (In fact, I do,
but I also have hand-made US-produced shoes as well.) If I'm spending
$140 for a pair of Italian shoes, they'd best *be* Italian, and not
some high-profit screw-the-workers substitute. (Yes, I know,
Mall-Wart doesn't have cycling shoes *yet*, but if enough of a market
for them develops, they'll have them cheaper than anyone else.)
--
Typoes are a feature, not a bug.
Some gardening required to reply via email.
Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.

Interesting article about the Italian bicycle industry in the Aug 1st. issue
of
Bicycle Retailer. It appears that the bicycle industry there is in a serious
crisis. Sales are way down and companies are consulidating and some even going
bankrupt. Bike production has dropped from 5.6 million units in 1994 to 2.5
million last year. The high labor costs and the strong Euro are driving small
companies out of business. The Italians have done what the rest of the world
did years ago and now have many of their products produced in Taiwan and
China.
But they still put the "made in Italy" sticker on these products. I would
think that shoes could be made much cheaper in China than in Italy. I noticed
that Vittoria now has tires made in Taiwan. I think Campagnolo even has some
of
its parts made in China. Sad situation when you can't believe what's on a
label.

In that same article you reference, it says (on page 31), "Only a handful of
companies, Campagnolo among them, remain committed to producing all their
products in Italy."

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<pedant>
I think Vittoria tyres are made in Thailand not Taiwan
</pedant>

I take your point. Many of these brands have dropped in quality since
they outsourced their manufacture. I wont buy Vittoria anymore due to this.

And what are you going to buy? Vredenstein? They are all made in
Asia now. Conti? Most are made in Asia. Basically, the
manufacturing of most tires has moved to places like Taiwan, Thailand,
etc. Why punish Vittoria for what everyone else has done, and is
doing?

- rick

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If I want $12 Chinese shoes, I can go to Wal-Mart.

Or you can go to any sports store and buy Nike's for outrageous
prices. Made for cheap in Asia does not necessarily equate to
inexpensive for the consumer.

- rick