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  1. Peter S said:

    Forgive this novice question ;o)
    Most of my cycling is just for exercise and I ride the same one or two
    fairly flat routes before work in the mornings. On the weekend I did a
    much longer ride than normal which put a few hills into my ride. I
    noticed that if i stayed on the seat I naturally had to gear down a lot
    to cope with the incline while sliding back in the saddle and pushing
    harder. I tried standing a couple of times but found the gearing too
    low, pedals turning too fast. Is it the 'normal' thing to either gear
    down a notch and stay seated, or alternatively gear up a notch and get
    off the seat? My legs soon ached if I tried standing for too long but i
    think maybe that's just because I'm not used to hills and don't have
    any practice at it at all. Do all you hill climbers 'gear up' and then
    stand up??
    Pete skypete(remove_this_bit)@iinet.net.au

    I'm no hill climber, but from what I've read there are lots of
    different studies that have been done on the best way to approach this.
    You can go for the Lance Armstrong approach and go for a high candence
    (rpm) climb, or the Jan Ullrich approach where you stay in a bigger
    gear and grind your way to the top. Standing out of your seat increases
    the power to the pedals, but requires more energy, so you won't be able
    to do that for long.

    I usually try to maintain a constant cadence up the hill to reduce
    fatigue, so this involves changing gears. I also lean back a little and
    some say you should pull slightly on your handlebars. Practice will
    definately help you maintain bigger gears up the hill. You can also
    "pull" yourself up if you use clipless pedals which utilises different
    muscle groups.

    --

  2. Forgive this novice question ;o)

    Most of my cycling is just for exercise and I ride the same one or two
    fairly flat routes before work in the mornings. On the weekend I did a much
    longer ride than normal which put a few hills into my ride. I noticed that
    if i stayed on the seat I naturally had to gear down a lot to cope with the
    incline while sliding back in the saddle and pushing harder. I tried
    standing a couple of times but found the gearing too low, pedals turning too
    fast. Is it the 'normal' thing to either gear down a notch and stay seated,
    or alternatively gear up a notch and get off the seat? My legs soon ached if
    I tried standing for too long but i think maybe that's just because I'm not
    used to hills and don't have any practice at it at all. Do all you hill
    climbers 'gear up' and then stand up??

    Pete
    skypete(remove_this_bit)@iinet.net.au

  3. "Peter S" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Forgive this novice question ;o)

    Most of my cycling is just for exercise and I ride the same one or two
    fairly flat routes before work in the mornings. On the weekend I did a


    much

    Quoted message said:

    longer ride than normal which put a few hills into my ride. I noticed that
    if i stayed on the seat I naturally had to gear down a lot to cope with


    the

    Quoted message said:

    incline while sliding back in the saddle and pushing harder. I tried
    standing a couple of times but found the gearing too low, pedals turning


    too

    Quoted message said:

    fast. Is it the 'normal' thing to either gear down a notch and stay


    seated,

    Quoted message said:

    or alternatively gear up a notch and get off the seat? My legs soon ached


    if

    Quoted message said:

    I tried standing for too long but i think maybe that's just because I'm


    not

    Quoted message said:

    used to hills and don't have any practice at it at all. Do all you hill
    climbers 'gear up' and then stand up??

    Pete
    skypete(remove_this_bit)@iinet.net.au

    Pete,

    I usually sit and spin for longer hills, concentrating on a smooth circular
    action. However, when I stand eg switchback corner or when aburst is
    required I gear up and then stand.

    It is good to practice both techniques

    Kevin

  4. Sit back , dont pull on bars to much , heels down......repeat this
    phrase..."the hills are my friends".........enjoy
    Stand & gear up if getting to hard to give muscles a rest.....try to sit as
    long as possible......

    "Peter S" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Forgive this novice question ;o)

    Most of my cycling is just for exercise and I ride the same one or two
    fairly flat routes before work in the mornings. On the weekend I did a


    much

    Quoted message said:

    longer ride than normal which put a few hills into my ride. I noticed that
    if i stayed on the seat I naturally had to gear down a lot to cope with


    the

    Quoted message said:

    incline while sliding back in the saddle and pushing harder. I tried
    standing a couple of times but found the gearing too low, pedals turning


    too

    Quoted message said:

    fast. Is it the 'normal' thing to either gear down a notch and stay


    seated,

    Quoted message said:

    or alternatively gear up a notch and get off the seat? My legs soon ached


    if

    Quoted message said:

    I tried standing for too long but i think maybe that's just because I'm


    not

    Quoted message said:

    used to hills and don't have any practice at it at all. Do all you hill
    climbers 'gear up' and then stand up??

    Pete
    skypete(remove_this_bit)@iinet.net.au

  5. "Peter S" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Forgive this novice question ;o)

    Most of my cycling is just for exercise and I ride the same one or two
    fairly flat routes before work in the mornings. On the weekend I did a


    much

    Quoted message said:

    longer ride than normal which put a few hills into my ride. I noticed that
    if i stayed on the seat I naturally had to gear down a lot to cope with


    the

    Quoted message said:

    incline while sliding back in the saddle and pushing harder. I tried
    standing a couple of times but found the gearing too low, pedals turning


    too

    Quoted message said:

    fast. Is it the 'normal' thing to either gear down a notch and stay


    seated,

    Quoted message said:

    or alternatively gear up a notch and get off the seat? My legs soon ached


    if

    Quoted message said:

    I tried standing for too long but i think maybe that's just because I'm


    not

    Quoted message said:

    used to hills and don't have any practice at it at all. Do all you hill
    climbers 'gear up' and then stand up??

    Pete
    skypete(remove_this_bit)@iinet.net.au

    I usually go to my lowest gear and grind....

    Unfortunately I seem unable to spin when goign up hill/

    Must be the extra weight I've been carrying this year.

    Karl aka Stomper

  6. Peter S said:

    Thanks for all the responses - I knew after a few hills that there must be a
    right and wrong technique - seems to me that those riders that like hills
    are a rare breed. I'm not one of them! But it sounds like practice,
    determination and mixing it between grinding up low and standing for a while
    in a higher gear is the way to do it. And being fit probably helps too.

    I used to have a bad habit of a very low cadence. Nothing more than personal
    preference, and not knowing any better. I loved hills, simply because I was
    good at them.

    After several years and various knee problems/pain, I found that a high
    cadece is better.
    Several years after that, I can definately state that my aerobic stamina is
    much better, and my cruising speed is much higher than its ever been.

    But since I no longer cadence slowly anymore, as a consequence, I'm lacking
    in the raw strength department, and can no longer climb hills like I used to.
    In the meantime, I'm doing short stints of higher gear/harder pedalling to
    try to build up my strength, without staying at a low cadence for extended periods.

    As for your standing/sitting question, as already metioned in this thread, if
    you stand, you can apply more force, but at a cost of efficiency, so it's only
    good for the short term.

    --
    Linux Registered User # 302622 <http://counter.li.org>

  7. Peter S said:

    Most of my cycling is just for exercise and I ride the same one or two
    fairly flat routes before work in the mornings. On the weekend I did a much
    longer ride than normal which put a few hills into my ride. I noticed that
    if i stayed on the seat I naturally had to gear down a lot to cope with the
    incline while sliding back in the saddle and pushing harder. I tried
    standing a couple of times but found the gearing too low, pedals turning too
    fast. Is it the 'normal' thing to either gear down a notch and stay seated,
    or alternatively gear up a notch and get off the seat? My legs soon ached if
    I tried standing for too long but i think maybe that's just because I'm not
    used to hills and don't have any practice at it at all. Do all you hill
    climbers 'gear up' and then stand up??

    I've found that I do best when I alternate sitting in my lowest couple of
    gears and standing in third to fifth, usually sitting on the flatter
    stretches. They seem to load muscles differently, providing some relief
    from each other, and I guess there's some mental diversion, too :-)

    When sitting, try to sit well back on the saddle, holding the tops of the
    bars, sitting as upright as possible to help your breathing. Pull on the
    bars a little if you like, but don't overdo it.

    It takes some practice to stand and feel relaxed without wobbling around,
    and your legs won't take much of it until they toughen up a bit. Make
    a point of standing rather than changing down when you take off quickly
    from lights and go up short slopes around town, even if it means changing
    up instead, and soon you'll feel comfortable doing it on real hills. Lean
    on the brake hoods and wrap your fingers around them lightly, but don't
    pull on them - find the gear that offers the best resistance to your body
    weight, and let the bike rock a little from side to side.

    --
    bpo gallery at http://www4.tpgi.com.au/users/mvw1/bpo

  8. BG said:


    Sit back , dont pull on bars to much , heels down......repeat this
    phrase..."the hills are my friends".........enjoy
    Stand & gear up if getting to hard to give muscles a rest.....try to sit as
    long as possible......

    "Peter S" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Forgive this novice question ;o)

    Most of my cycling is just for exercise and I ride the same one or two
    fairly flat routes before work in the mornings. On the weekend I did a


    much

    Quoted message said:

    longer ride than normal which put a few hills into my ride. I noticed that
    if i stayed on the seat I naturally had to gear down a lot to cope with


    the

    Quoted message said:

    incline while sliding back in the saddle and pushing harder. I tried
    standing a couple of times but found the gearing too low, pedals turning


    too

    Quoted message said:

    fast. Is it the 'normal' thing to either gear down a notch and stay


    seated,

    Quoted message said:

    or alternatively gear up a notch and get off the seat? My legs soon ached


    if

    Quoted message said:

    I tried standing for too long but i think maybe that's just because I'm


    not

    Quoted message said:

    used to hills and don't have any practice at it at all. Do all you hill
    climbers 'gear up' and then stand up??

    Pete
    skypete(remove_this_bit)@iinet.net.au

    Everyone has something different to say on the hill climbing. Here's my
    contribution.

    Attach an occy strap to the faster cyclist in front. Gradually ease off
    your workload until you're just coasting up the hill behind them and see
    how long before they notice.

    Tamyka

  9. Peter S said:
    Michael Warner said:

    It takes some practice to stand and feel relaxed without wobbling around,
    and your legs won't take much of it until they toughen up a bit. Make
    a point of standing rather than changing down when you take off quickly
    from lights and go up short slopes around town, even if it means changing
    up instead, and soon you'll feel comfortable doing it on real hills. Lean
    on the brake hoods and wrap your fingers around them lightly, but don't
    pull on them - find the gear that offers the best resistance to your body
    weight, and let the bike rock a little from side to side.

    I'd never have thought of practicing to stand when moving off from lights
    etc. Excellent - I'll use this practice technique on future rides. I was
    watching my tape of the live stage SBS broadcast of the Tour for the first
    time tonight, and after reading the responses to my question to this group
    and it's clear to see that once the proper technique is learned it looks
    really fluid and natural, albeit still needing strength and fitness. It
    looks to me that when the pros stand they stand pretty well straight up and
    move the bike from side to side to balance out their pedalling action. I'm
    looking forward to tomorrow mornings ride already! - and the forecast is
    fine and dry :0)

    Pete
    skypete(remove_this_bit)@iinet.net.au


    I used to do the standing take off thing at traffic lights, but after
    snapping a few cranks and nearly getting run over (see earlier posts) I
    gave up doing it on the commuter bike.

    Mark

  10. "Stomper" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    I usually go to my lowest gear and grind....
    Unfortunately I seem unable to spin when goign up hill/
    Must be the extra weight I've been carrying this year.
    Karl aka Stomper

    Thanks for all the responses - I knew after a few hills that there must be a
    right and wrong technique - seems to me that those riders that like hills
    are a rare breed. I'm not one of them! But it sounds like practice,
    determination and mixing it between grinding up low and standing for a while
    in a higher gear is the way to do it. And being fit probably helps too.

    Pete
    skypete(remove_this_bit)@iinet.net.au

  11. Michael Warner said:

    It takes some practice to stand and feel relaxed without wobbling around,
    and your legs won't take much of it until they toughen up a bit. Make
    a point of standing rather than changing down when you take off quickly
    from lights and go up short slopes around town, even if it means changing
    up instead, and soon you'll feel comfortable doing it on real hills. Lean
    on the brake hoods and wrap your fingers around them lightly, but don't
    pull on them - find the gear that offers the best resistance to your body
    weight, and let the bike rock a little from side to side.

    I'd never have thought of practicing to stand when moving off from lights
    etc. Excellent - I'll use this practice technique on future rides. I was
    watching my tape of the live stage SBS broadcast of the Tour for the first
    time tonight, and after reading the responses to my question to this group
    and it's clear to see that once the proper technique is learned it looks
    really fluid and natural, albeit still needing strength and fitness. It
    looks to me that when the pros stand they stand pretty well straight up and
    move the bike from side to side to balance out their pedalling action. I'm
    looking forward to tomorrow mornings ride already! - and the forecast is
    fine and dry :0)

    Pete
    skypete(remove_this_bit)@iinet.net.au

  12. "Tamyka Bell" wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Everyone has something different to say on the hill climbing. Here's my
    contribution.

    Attach an occy strap to the faster cyclist in front. Gradually ease off
    your workload until you're just coasting up the hill behind them and see
    how long before they notice.

    Tamyka

    I like this idea a lot Tamyka. I cycled this morning before work and went
    out in search of a few slopes to tackle. I think a rider to tow me up to the
    top would have been a damn sight easier than my poor legs learning to cope
    with techniques they're not used to.

    All I need now is to find some poor bugger that I can clip on to!

    Pete
    skypete(remove_this_bit)@iinet.net.au

  13. Peter S said:

    "Tamyka Bell" wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Everyone has something different to say on the hill climbing. Here's my
    contribution.

    Attach an occy strap to the faster cyclist in front. Gradually ease off
    your workload until you're just coasting up the hill behind them and see
    how long before they notice.

    Tamyka

    I like this idea a lot Tamyka. I cycled this morning before work and went
    out in search of a few slopes to tackle. I think a rider to tow me up to the
    top would have been a damn sight easier than my poor legs learning to cope
    with techniques they're not used to.

    All I need now is to find some poor bugger that I can clip on to!

    Pete
    skypete(remove_this_bit)@iinet.net.au

    In my mis-spent youth I would hang onto the sides of trucks to get a tow
    along Pyrmont Rd if I was running late... one morning my glove got
    caught and I had to hang on for much longer (and faster) than I intended!

    Mark

  14. Munk3y said:


    Peter S said:

    "Tamyka Bell" wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Everyone has something different to say on the hill climbing. Here's my
    contribution.

    Attach an occy strap to the faster cyclist in front. Gradually ease off
    your workload until you're just coasting up the hill behind them and see
    how long before they notice.

    Tamyka

    I like this idea a lot Tamyka. I cycled this morning before work and went
    out in search of a few slopes to tackle. I think a rider to tow me up to the
    top would have been a damn sight easier than my poor legs learning to cope
    with techniques they're not used to.

    All I need now is to find some poor bugger that I can clip on to!

    Pete
    skypete(remove_this_bit)@iinet.net.au

    In my mis-spent youth I would hang onto the sides of trucks to get a tow
    along Pyrmont Rd if I was running late... one morning my glove got
    caught and I had to hang on for much longer (and faster) than I intended!

    Mark

    That'll learn ya!

    I take it you came out okay? How was the glove?

    T

  15. Tamyka Bell wrote:
    *snip*

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    In my mis-spent youth I would hang onto the sides of trucks to get a tow
    along Pyrmont Rd if I was running late... one morning my glove got
    caught and I had to hang on for much longer (and faster) than I intended!

    Mark

    That'll learn ya!

    I take it you came out okay? How was the glove?

    T

    I came out okay. I eneded up having to sacrifice the glove. Somewhere
    there is a brick truck with a cyclcing glove stuck on it!

    M

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