Is it just me, or...

Yep ya right. I have to say that I really started to question Mr
Liggetts commentary after listening to him mispronouncing alot of the
towns in South Australia during the TDU.

It was truely shocking and inconsistant to say the least. Now you could
understand this if it was the first TDU but it's a little hard to
swallow 3rd time around.

Did anyone hear him say "manure countryside" during last nights TDF
highlights?!?! He then corrected himself. Can't remember to what though
cos I was still in shock. Maybe it was supposed to be demure
countryside....ah, doesn't madda.

cheers

flyingdutch said:

Is Phil Liggett's commentary getting a touch lame!

doesnt know riders names like he used to at a glance, stops halfway thru
sentences and loses what he was saying

Maybe i should apply. Anyone wanna be my 'straightman/woman' ?

Quoted message said:

Originally posted by flyingdutch Is Phil Liggett's commentary getting a
touch lame!

Maybe, but better than most and cetainly better than me. 🙂

Quoted message said:

doesnt know riders names like he used to at a glance, stops >halfway
thru sentences and loses what he was saying

Are you referring to the "2000 euros is equal to.. uh..", because that
looked more like the station just cut to a different part of the race.

Quoted message said:

Maybe i should apply. Anyone wanna be >my 'straightman/woman' ?

I'd 'vote' for you as long as you got me into all the races as part of
the media 'photo crew' ;-)

hippy

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Quoted message said:

Originally posted by jazmo I've listened to some of the live broadcasts
on the internet and >find this to be the case.

I tried OLNTV's website last night for its live audio broadcast, AFTER
the race had started and it was just some yank saying "Welcome to
OLNTV's live.. blah blah" over and over and over and over and over and
over and then I killed the feed.

What's the go with that?

hippy

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Originally posted by flyingdutch Is Phil Liggett's commentary getting a
touch lame!

doesnt know riders names like he used to at a glance, stops halfway thru
sentences and loses what he was saying

Maybe i should apply. Anyone wanna be my 'straightman/woman' ? [/QUOTE

I think he's commentary is still good. I've noticed that he still
seems to have the ability to pick out riders based on build and riding
style. Himself and Paul Sherwen are a great team. Both correct each
other if the rider's name mentioned is incorrect and their commentary
is smooth and constant. They always seem to have something to say.
I've listened to some of the live broadcasts on the internet and find
this to be the case.

Compare this with the comentary on some of the spring classics we've
seen on SBS. That's very sporadic and short commentary which I don't
like as much.

I like their accents too. 😄

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hippy said:

Quoted message said:

Originally posted by jazmo I've listened to some of the live broadcasts
on the internet and >find this to be the case.

I tried OLNTV's website last night for its live audio broadcast, AFTER
the race had started and it was just some yank saying "Welcome to
OLNTV's live.. blah blah" over and over and over and over and over and
over and then I killed the feed.
What's the go with that?
hippy

i wathced a couple of the classics on SBS, that french guy was shocking,
he only knew the french riders and everyone else was the cofidis rider
or the team CSC rider.........but his pronounciation of the french and
belgian names was exemplerary.

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Originally posted by flyingdutch Is Phil Liggett's commentary getting a
touch lame!

Maybe, but better than most and cetainly better than me. 🙂

Quoted message said:

doesnt know riders names like he used to at a glance, stops >halfway
thru sentences and loses what he was saying

Are you referring to the "2000 euros is equal to.. uh..", because that
looked more like the station just cut to a different part of the race.

Quoted message said:

Maybe i should apply. Anyone wanna be >my 'straightman/woman' ?

I'd 'vote' for you as long as you got me into all the races as part of
the media 'photo crew' ;-)

hippy

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Once again I have to agree with Hippy ( I hate agreeing with people) that
the edited version we get on SBS chops up the commentry a bit. In addition
to that, you have to remember that Phil covers the last few hours of the
Tour (not just the 15 minutes or so that we get to see) and it must be hard
to concentrate for such long periods for weeks on end. He also has to write
commentry articles for magazines, newspapers and websites as well as
travelling all over France.

Marty

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Quoted message said:

Is Phil Liggett's commentary getting a touch lame!

doesnt know riders names like he used to at a glance, stops halfway thru
sentences and loses what he was saying

They were saying last night that there was a slight climb to the finish, and
that would be bad for the two riders off the front. I would have thought(and
I could be wrong) that the steeper the climb to the finish the better for
the guys out front.
am I right?

Marty Wallace said:

Once again I have to agree with Hippy ( I hate agreeing with people)
that the edited version we get on SBS chops up the commentry a bit. In
addition to that, you have to remember that Phil covers the last few
hours of the Tour (not just the 15 minutes or so that we get to see) and
it must be hard to concentrate for such long periods for weeks on end.
He also has to write commentry articles for magazines, newspapers and
websites as well as travelling all over France.
Marty

poor bugger!

my dig at him was compared to previous years' work. realise the coverage
is a hotch-potch but he does seem to trying to be the new Murray Walker,
nagging away at the same point which turns out to be wrong (boy, i'd
never do that!)

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Quoted message said:

Is Phil Liggett's commentary getting a touch lame!

doesnt know riders names like he used to at a glance, stops halfway thru
sentences and loses what he was saying

Maybe i should apply. Anyone wanna be my 'straightman/woman' ?

I listened to the entire stage last night on OLN web, from the beginning
where I don't think they even knew they were broadcast (there was lots of
Liggett/Sherwin giggling and swearing and other voices in the background)
through to the presentation (and no I won't spoil it for those going to
watch tonight).
They are just brilliant to listen to for 3hrs plus, SBS chops it up into
nonsense. You don't realise how good they are till you just hear the
audio - I don't think I even need to watch tonight* really, they describe
things pretty well!

*Spoiler - except I will watch it, to see the big CRASH

Cheers
Gemma

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Originally posted by jazmo I've listened to some of the live broadcasts
on the internet and >find this to be the case.

I tried OLNTV's website last night for its live audio broadcast, AFTER
the race had started and it was just some yank saying "Welcome to
OLNTV's live.. blah blah" over and over and over and over and over and
over and then I killed the feed.

What's the go with that?

keep the connection open, it started around 10;30 - 11pm central time live.
Everytime I try to connect once they are definately broadcasting I can't get
a connection - too busy!
Race finished around 1;20 central.
Cheers
Gemma (sleepy)

Quoted message said:

Originally posted by Stu They were saying last night that there was
a slight climb to the finish, and that would be bad for the two
riders off the front. I would have thought(and I could be wrong)
that the steeper the climb to the finish the better for the guys out
front. am I right?

Yeah, because the slower speed up the hill means that the peloton's
aerodynamic benefit from being 'bunched' is reduced.

You'd also have slower 'climbers' getting in the way of the faster guys.
Although it was just a slight rise, not a hill, right? so the benefit
would be small.

hippy

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hippy said:

Quoted message said:

Originally posted by Stu They were saying last night that there was
a slight climb to the finish, and that would be bad for the two
riders off the front. I would have thought(and I could be wrong)
that the steeper the climb to the finish the better for the guys out
front. am I right?

Yeah, because the slower speed up the hill means that the peloton's
aerodynamic benefit from being 'bunched' is reduced.
You'd also have slower 'climbers' getting in the way of the faster guys.
Although it was just a slight rise, not a hill, right? so the benefit
would be small.
hippy

IMO. if a 2 man breakaway has been away for a while and they reach a
hill, there's going to be a lot of fresher legs in the peleton that
will be able to chase them down.

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As someone has said in all posts, you cannot just pick up on one piece of
audio over coverage that spans to something over three hours.

Sure, they do seem to be struggling or say some bizarre thing in some point
of the commentary, but you have to remember whilst they are watching the
broadcast, they are also listening to "radio tour" (which is not in their
first language) and listening to their producers at the same time. So in
effect, they are doing three things at once - announcing, listening, and
watching.

Now we all know that it is diffcult to do more than one thing at a time
(especially for us males), but to do all this, whilst being professional
commentators must be difficult and that is why those two are at the top of
the (english speaking) tree at least by a long long way - no one comes close
to their tandem.

Liggett (Mr) has been on tour since 1972 and I would think that at Tour
2007, may be his last and what a loss it would be to cycling broadcasting.
At the same time though, it would be an honour to follow in his footsteps,
however these shoes would be enormous to fill.

I'll have a go, but I dont think I could do it so professionally or so well
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Quoted message said:

Is Phil Liggett's commentary getting a touch lame!

doesnt know riders names like he used to at a glance, stops halfway thru
sentences and loses what he was saying

Maybe i should apply. Anyone wanna be my 'straightman/woman' ?

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Quoted message said:

Originally posted by Gemma Kernich keep the connection open, it started
around 10;30 - 11pm

Cheers GK! I left the feed going and sure enough coverage of the TTT
started at 10.45pm Melbourne time.

It was quite funny to listen to them when they were going to a break or
something because they seemed to forget that a mic was still going..
even the producers(or similar?) were babbling about stuff..

My favourite quote from last night's broadcast:

"Now we've got 4mins to air right?" "So I can go to a quick loo loo?"

hippy
- now a permanent OLN listener and tired/grumpy [censored].. ;-)

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hippy said:

Quoted message said:

Originally posted by Gemma Kernich keep the connection open, it started
around 10;30 - 11pm

Cheers GK! I left the feed going and sure enough coverage of the TTT
started at 10.45pm Melbourne time.
It was quite funny to listen to them when they were going to a break or
something because they seemed to forget that a mic was still going..
even the producers(or similar?) were babbling about stuff..
My favourite quote from last night's broadcast:
"Now we've got 4mins to air right?" "So I can go to a quick loo loo?"
hippy
- now a permanent OLN listener and tired/grumpy [censored].. ;-)

wot's the link to that? promise i wont slow down the feed, honest...

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flyingdutch said:

wot's the link to that? promise i wont slow down the feed, honest...

Better not! ;-)

http://www.letour.com/2004/us/index.html points to
http://ww2.olntv.com/tdf04/listenlive.html

hippy

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