An Apology

"Andrew Morris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I'd like to retract my flippant opinion, that I believed the Nudie
Ride was "just wrong"...

Unfortunately, I was attempting to be humorous, obviously something I
am not very good at, as my comment appears to have generated several
hundred posts as a result of an individual who believes my Newsgroup
Etiquette is substandard.

Apparently top posting breaches an unwritten law of the Newsgroup,
which is incidentally unmoderated.

It breaches Usenet etiquette, full stop. It's not specific to this group.
And that this group is unmoderated is not any sort of excuse for selfishness
and stupidity, which is exactly what top posting is and why Usenet etiquette
guides advocate bottom or inline posting.

http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/brox.html

http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html

http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/gey_stv0.htm

http://www.fscked.co.uk/writing/top-posting-cuss.html

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Spam, too, is clearly a breach of Newsgroup Etiquette, and the
individual in question, appears to delight in occupying people's
precious bandwidth with repetitive, meaningless waffle.

Er, no. As usual you don't have a clue so just leave it alone.

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Having been abused, wished to be dead, and generally berated, I will
become a silent viewer of this newsgroup, and decline to offer any
contribution in the future. Should further abuse be directed towards
myself, I will direct it to the ISP of the individual in question, or
take matters further.

Now *that's* whining. ISPs don't give a flying [censored] if someone's been rude
to you in a news group. Given that you are the one breaching well known and
understand netiquette in this instance the good ones won't give you so much
as the time of day. And that doesn't even begin to cover the implied
off-line threat you made towards me because you didn't like my rhetoric.
The only person who's done anything the least bit actionable is you,
sunshine.

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THanks to those who thought it was a bit of sport, which it wasn't,
and thanks to those who stood up for a weak belief that the Usenet is
an unmoderated medium, not to be ruled through bombastic opinion.

It's the top-posters who are trying to "rule through bombastic opinion".
They have to because they don't have a rational leg to stand on.

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Now *that's* whining. ISPs don't give a flying [censored] if someone's been

rude

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to you in a news group. Given that you are the one breaching well known

and

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understand netiquette in this instance the good ones won't give you so

much

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as the time of day. And that doesn't even begin to cover the implied
off-line threat you made towards me because you didn't like my rhetoric.
The only person who's done anything the least bit actionable is you,
sunshine.

Off-line threat? I wouldnt waste the effort, on someone who has nothing
better to do with themselves.

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THanks to those who thought it was a bit of sport, which it wasn't,
and thanks to those who stood up for a weak belief that the Usenet is
an unmoderated medium, not to be ruled through bombastic opinion.

It's the top-posters who are trying to "rule through bombastic opinion".
They have to because they don't have a rational leg to stand on.

Unlike those who don't have a rational bone in their body.

I've had enough of this. No more aus.bicycle for me until it's moderated.

"Andrew Morris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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[snip]

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Now *that's* whining. ISPs don't give a flying [censored] if someone's
been rude to you in a news group. Given that you are the one
breaching well known and understand netiquette in this instance the
good ones won't give you so much as the time of day. And that
doesn't even begin to cover the implied off-line threat you made
towards me because you didn't like my rhetoric. The only person
who's done anything the least bit actionable is you, sunshine.

Off-line threat? I wouldnt waste the effort, on someone who has
nothing better to do with themselves.

Yes, implied threat: "Now you'd really better hope and pray we never
meet..." (Message id [email hidden]).

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THanks to those who thought it was a bit of sport, which it wasn't,
and thanks to those who stood up for a weak belief that the Usenet
is an unmoderated medium, not to be ruled through bombastic opinion.

It's the top-posters who are trying to "rule through bombastic
opinion". They have to because they don't have a rational leg to
stand on.

Unlike those who don't have a rational bone in their body.

I've had enough of this. No more aus.bicycle for me until it's
moderated.

In your dreams. All you've ever had to do to get on is inline or bottom
post but no, you had to cause trouble and now you've got the bloody gall to
try to blame me. Get over yourself.

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"Andrew Morris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I'd like to retract my flippant opinion, that I believed the Nudie Ride

was

Quoted message said:

"just wrong"...

Unfortunately, I was attempting to be humorous, obviously something I am

not

Quoted message said:

very good at, as my comment appears to have generated several hundred

posts

Quoted message said:

as a result of an individual who believes my Newsgroup Etiquette is
substandard.

Apparently top posting breaches an unwritten law of the Newsgroup, which

is

Quoted message said:

incidentally unmoderated.

Spam, too, is clearly a breach of Newsgroup Etiquette, and the individual

in

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question, appears to delight in occupying people's precious bandwidth with
repetitive, meaningless waffle.

Having been abused, wished to be dead, and generally berated, I will

become

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a silent viewer of this newsgroup, and decline to offer any contribution

in

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the future. Should further abuse be directed towards myself, I will

direct

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it to the ISP of the individual in question, or take matters further.

THanks to those who thought it was a bit of sport, which it wasn't, and
thanks to those who stood up for a weak belief that the Usenet is an
unmoderated medium, not to be ruled through bombastic opinion.

Cheers,

Andrew

Who cares? *yawns* It's the 'net!

"Andrew Morris" wrote

Quoted message said:

I'd like to retract my flippant opinion, that I believed the Nudie Ride

was

Quoted message said:

"just wrong"...

Unfortunately, I was attempting to be humorous, obviously something I am

not

Quoted message said:

very good at, as my comment appears to have generated several hundred

posts

Quoted message said:

as a result of an individual who believes my Newsgroup Etiquette is
substandard.

Apparently top posting breaches an unwritten law of the Newsgroup, which

is

Quoted message said:

incidentally unmoderated.

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THanks to those who thought it was a bit of sport, which it wasn't, and
thanks to those who stood up for a weak belief that the Usenet is an
unmoderated medium, not to be ruled through bombastic opinion.

Keep posting Andrew and ignore or block DRS. Usenet is an unmoderated forum
and anyone is entitled to post what and how they like. Some things you do
will annoy some people. (I prefer bottom posting but it doesn't upset me if
others top-post). What annoys me is people who don't snip anything, but hey,
that's my problem.

Some people (like DRS) are anal about it. But then, he's probably anal about
a lot of things. Not worth wasting 100 posts on.

Cheers

Theo

"DRS" wrote

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It breaches Usenet etiquette, full stop. It's not specific to this group.
And that this group is unmoderated is not any sort of excuse for

selfishness

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and stupidity, which is exactly what top posting is and why Usenet

etiquette

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guides advocate bottom or inline posting.

Don't be so bloody anal DRS. Top-posting will not be the end of the world,
or even the end of usenet. Leading by example is better than preaching.

Theo

"Theo Bekkers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"DRS" wrote

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It breaches Usenet etiquette, full stop. It's not specific to this

group.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

And that this group is unmoderated is not any sort of excuse for

selfishness

Quoted message said:

and stupidity, which is exactly what top posting is and why Usenet

etiquette

Quoted message said:

guides advocate bottom or inline posting.

Don't be so bloody anal DRS. Top-posting will not be the end of the world,
or even the end of usenet. Leading by example is better than preaching.

Theo

Just drop the whole thing and allow everyone to calm down.
Don't argue, don't reply. Move on.
Let's talk about the thing we all love and have in common... BIKES..Yaaayyy!

Marty

Keep posting Andrew. Your contributions are worthwhile.

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On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:22:29 +1000, Andrew Morris <[email hidden]> Wrote :

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Apparently top posting breaches an unwritten law of the Newsgroup, which is
incidentally unmoderated.

Ahhh [censored] another thread for the kill file...:-(

Andrew Morris said:

(snip)
Having been abused, wished to be dead, and generally berated, I will
become a silent viewer of this newsgroup, and decline to offer any
contribution in the future.
(snip)

Andrew,

You should not give up contributing to the community if you believe
in your contribution. Bitter individual confrontations should not
discourage you or any one else. Any discussion group or forum would
be dead boring if all users agreed all the time. Keep on reading
and posting.

Cheers, Amir.

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HUMBUG said:

Ahhh [censored] another thread for the kill file...:-(

Given the state of the newsgroup at the moment, I think I might have to
switch to a reader that supports a kill file (currently using Netscape
and pretty sure it doesn't). Anyone got a suggestion? Must be a) free,
b) not IE/Outlook Express c) run on XP.

DaveB

"amirm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Andrew Morris said:

(snip)
Having been abused, wished to be dead, and generally berated, I will
become a silent viewer of this newsgroup, and decline to offer any
contribution in the future.
(snip)

Andrew,

You should not give up contributing to the community if you believe
in your contribution. Bitter individual confrontations should not
discourage you or any one else. Any discussion group or forum would
be dead boring if all users agreed all the time. Keep on reading
and posting.

Cheers, Amir.

However, in general, once an argument has gone past about three "back and
forths" the issue is unlikely to be resolved and it usually degrades to
personal abuse. At that point it's best to ignore the thread altogether and
find something new to chat about.

Marty

DaveB said:

Given the state of the newsgroup at the moment, I think I might have to
switch to a reader that supports a kill file (currently using Netscape
and pretty sure it doesn't). Anyone got a suggestion? Must be a) free,
b) not IE/Outlook Express c) run on XP.

Mozilla Thunderbird has a filtering system.

Evan said:

DaveB said:

Given the state of the newsgroup at the moment, I think I might have to
switch to a reader that supports a kill file (currently using Netscape
and pretty sure it doesn't). Anyone got a suggestion? Must be a) free,
b) not IE/Outlook Express c) run on XP.

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Mozilla Thunderbird has a filtering system.

Or try Gravity.

H

Marty Wallace said:

(snip)
However, in general, once an argument has gone past about three "back
and forths" the issue is unlikely to be resolved and it usually degrades
to personal abuse. At that point it's best to ignore the thread
altogether and find something new to chat about.
Marty

Couldn't agree more, Marty. Exit is the best action when line of
discussion is degraded. When there are logic and substance, and common
courtesy to back them up, though, diverse opinions and discussions are
all constructive and interesting.

Take the "nude riding" for instance. Don't you think the diversity of
opinions as to whether or not to shave before the ride is all exciting?
I am down to make up my wandering mind 😉

Cheers, Amir.

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cfsmtb said:

Keep posting Andrew. Your contributions are worthwhile.

Second that! I too had a run in with Drs with him falsely accusing
of all kinds of stuff but we seem to have 'come to some kind of
understanding' as we just talk bikes now and I am less likely to
get sucked in

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flyingdutch said:

Second that! I too had a run in with Drs with him falsely accusing
of all kinds of stuff but we seem to have 'come to some kind of
understanding' as we just talk bikes now and I am less likely to
get sucked in

Interestingly, yours was on a different subject, as was my short run.

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"Theo Bekkers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"DRS" wrote

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It breaches Usenet etiquette, full stop. It's not specific to this
group. And that this group is unmoderated is not any sort of excuse
for selfishness and stupidity, which is exactly what top posting is
and why Usenet etiquette guides advocate bottom or inline posting.

Don't be so bloody anal DRS. Top-posting will not be the end of the
world, or even the end of usenet. Leading by example is better than
preaching.

I do lead by example. But I will not be silent on this. Top posting is
wrong. It is selfish, inconsiderate and stupid.

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"flyingdutch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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cfsmtb said:

Keep posting Andrew. Your contributions are worthwhile.

Second that! I too had a run in with Drs with him falsely accusing
of all kinds of stuff

That is not true. Google is my friend. You did say the false things about
*me* I accused *you* of and I cited your own posts to prove it. Must I do
it again?

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