what's with this list?

Monique Y. Mudama said:

I found the following list of essential mountain biking equipment:

# water
# tire pump and tire irons
# spare tube/patch kit
# adjustable and specialty wrenches
# helmet
# extra food and clothing
# topographic map of areas
# compass, first aid kit, whistle, cable and wire
fiber tape

http://www.fs.fed.us/r2/arnf/recreation/mountain-bike/clrd/index.shtml

Most of these make sense, but what's up with the cable and wire fiber
tape? I don't even know what wire fiber tape is!

Wire Fibre tape might be glass fibre reinforced tape, could be useful
for split sidewalls????

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Wire Fibre tape might be glass fibre reinforced tape, could be useful
for split sidewalls????

Interesting. Makes me wonder: what do people do about split sidewalls? A
new tube (or patch) will just blow like the first one did. Is there any
way of fixing these things just enough to get back to the trailhead?

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BB said:

Quoted message said:

Wire Fibre tape might be glass fibre reinforced tape, could be useful
for split sidewalls????

Interesting. Makes me wonder: what do people do about split sidewalls? A
new tube (or patch) will just blow like the first one did. Is there any
way of fixing these things just enough to get back to the trailhead?

I'd try a tire boot - a piece of plastic gallon milk jug or a dollar
bill, laid in there to try to keep the tube from herniating into the
gap. Works for cuts to the tread, but I haven't had to try it for a
sidewall.

Kathleen

BB said:

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:14:05 +0100, [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

Wire Fibre tape might be glass fibre reinforced tape, could be useful
for split sidewalls????

Interesting. Makes me wonder: what do people do about split
sidewalls? A new tube (or patch) will just blow like the first one
did. Is there any way of fixing these things just enough to get back
to the trailhead?

I've used duct tape (from the inside of the tire, reinforced with a piece of
plastic from a tire patch package) to get me closer to home before it blew
again. Then I just walked from there.

Matt

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Wire Fibre tape might be glass fibre reinforced tape, could be useful
for split sidewalls????

Interesting. Makes me wonder: what do people do about split sidewalls? A
new tube (or patch) will just blow like the first one did. Is there any
way of fixing these things just enough to get back to the trailhead?

--
-BB-
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Power Bar wrappers are ideal in a pinch.

Paladin

[censored] can them,thats what happens to them. No wall
last longer on the side.

I MTB 2004

Paladin said:

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Quoted message said:

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:14:05 +0100, [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

Wire Fibre tape might be glass fibre reinforced tape, could be
useful for split sidewalls????

Interesting. Makes me wonder: what do people do about split
sidewalls? A new tube (or patch) will just blow like the first one
did. Is there any way of fixing these things just enough to get back
to the trailhead?

Quoted message said:

Power Bar wrappers are ideal in a pinch.

Please try to follow along. We're discussing SPLITS not pinches.

Bill "defelcting shame for leaving for a road ride...in a MARZOCCHI
JERSEY!!!" S.

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[censored] can them,thats what happens to them. No wall
last longer on the side.

I have no doubt of that; I'm just talking about something to be able to
ride back the trailhead. I've used duct tape (to no avail).

Fortunately, I haven't torn a sidewall since I moved to Oregon - it
happened to me at least twice in one year of riding on the rocky trails
around Dallas, TX. I'm suprised you guys in rocky areas don't carry
something for that occasion.

--
-BB-
To reply to me, drop the attitude (from my e-mail address, at least)

BB said:

Quoted message said:

[censored] can them,thats what happens to them. No
wall last longer on the side.

I have no doubt of that; I'm just talking about something to be able
to ride back the trailhead. I've used duct tape (to no avail).

Fortunately, I haven't torn a sidewall since I moved to Oregon - it
happened to me at least twice in one year of riding on the rocky
trails around Dallas, TX. I'm suprised you guys in rocky areas don't
carry something for that occasion.

Sew it shut. Haven't tried it myself, but I'm willing to be the victim of
the aftermath 😉
--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

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Most of these make sense, but what's up with the cable and wire fiber
tape? I don't even know what wire fiber tape is!

The cable is to strangle people you don't like on the trail.

Hmm... is this Vandeman's list? The wire is probably to boobytrap the trail
so as to cause peoples' heads to fall off.

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

BB said:

Quoted message said:

[censored] can them,thats what happens to them. No
wall last longer on the side.

I have no doubt of that; I'm just talking about something to be able
to ride back the trailhead. I've used duct tape (to no avail).

Fortunately, I haven't torn a sidewall since I moved to Oregon - it
happened to me at least twice in one year of riding on the rocky
trails around Dallas, TX. I'm suprised you guys in rocky areas don't
carry something for that occasion.

Buy a two-pack of Park tire boots. Stick (er, place) one in your pack and
forget it. They really work quite well for sidewall AND tread tears; worth
a try even for bead ruptures.

Bill "beats stuffing leaves in the carcass" S.

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

[censored] can them,thats what happens to them. No wall
last longer on the side.

I have no doubt of that; I'm just talking about something to be able to
ride back the trailhead. I've used duct tape (to no avail).

Tire liners work great in a pinch.

Dave

Kathleen said:

BB said:

... what do people do about split sidewalls? A new tube (or patch)
will just blow like the first one did. Is there any way of fixing
these things just enough to get back to the trailhead?

I'd try a tire boot - a piece of plastic gallon milk jug or a dollar
bill, laid in there to try to keep the tube from herniating into the
gap.

Absolutely right. The peice of milk jug is going to be a better long-
term cure than any paper or mylar because it's got some rigidity. But
you probably won't find milk jug plastic on the trail (let's hope).

Nor will you necessarily have access to duct tape on the trail, but if
you want to try to use the tire for a little longer, tape that boot in
there when you have a chance.

I've also used just regular tire patches, usually the big square one
that comes in the patch kit that you rarely need, since snakebites are
the common tube rupture. Just slather some patch kit glue into the tire
interior around the cut, then apply the patch as directed, as if it were
being glued to a tube. Not great for the threads in the tire casing, and
the cut will still bulge out a little, but it'll get you home.

I recently discovered that Park Tool actually has a product for this,
the TB-1 Tire Boot. You get a set of three peices of plastic, about
1 1/2" x 2 1/2" with adhesive and a peel away. Sort of like the Park
glueless patches (which I don't like) but more rigid. Kind of an
expensive fix compared to bits of milk jug and duct tape, but there's
nothing faster or more convenient.

I have one in a tire that I cut on the 2nd or 3rd ride. It's now got
probably 700 miles on it, and I'm almost ready to trash it because the
tread is getting beat. Where the tear is booted is in fine shape. Not
bulging at all, and the rip has not spread.

I had a chance to give away one of the other boots to someone who
needed it on the trail. Not a bad thing to have in the tool kit, along
with zipties, duct tape, power links...
--
Tom Purvis - http://www.arkansasvalley.net/tpurvis/
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."-Bertrand Russell

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

[censored] can them,thats what happens to them. No wall
last longer on the side.

I have no doubt of that; I'm just talking about something to be able to
ride back the trailhead. I've used duct tape (to no avail).

Fortunately, I haven't torn a sidewall since I moved to Oregon - it
happened to me at least twice in one year of riding on the rocky trails
around Dallas, TX. I'm suprised you guys in rocky areas don't carry
something for that occasion.

--
-BB-
To reply to me, drop the attitude (from my e-mail address, at least)

Next time you replace your rim tape, keep the excess, it makes very good
tire boots. I'm talking about the fabric rim tape with adhesive backing,
not the plastic or rubber rim liners.

S o r n i said:

Buy a two-pack of Park tire boots. Stick (er, place) one in your pack and
forget it. They really work quite well for sidewall AND tread tears; worth
a try even for bead ruptures.

So you guys who ride in rocks all the time DO think about this (well, one
at least)! This is the first time I've heard of those. They sound like a
really good thing to add to the kit.

--
-BB-
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Quoted message said:

I found the following list of essential mountain biking equipment:

# water
# tire pump and tire irons
# spare tube/patch kit
# adjustable and specialty wrenches
# helmet
# extra food and clothing
# topographic map of areas
# compass, first aid kit, whistle, cable and wire
fiber tape

http://www.fs.fed.us/r2/arnf/recreation/mountain-bike/clrd/index.shtml

Most of these make sense, but what's up with the cable

Extra brake and derailer cable, not a bad idea if you're out for a long ride
and a mechanical failure would leave you in a bad way.

Chris

and wire fiber

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tape? I don't even know what wire fiber tape is!

--
monique

"Get a bicycle. You will not regret it, if you live."
-- Mark Twain

Tom Purvis said:

Kathleen said:

BB said:

... what do people do about split sidewalls? A new tube (or patch)
will just blow like the first one did. Is there any way of fixing
these things just enough to get back to the trailhead?

I'd try a tire boot - a piece of plastic gallon milk jug or a dollar
bill, laid in there to try to keep the tube from herniating into the
gap.

Absolutely right. The peice of milk jug is going to be a better long-
term cure than any paper or mylar because it's got some rigidity. But
you probably won't find milk jug plastic on the trail (let's hope).

Does "in my camelbak" count as "on the trail"? I've got all sorts of
low-volume goodies in my pack. Couple of pieces of milk jug and a
Park's tire boot and a five dollar bill and a patch kit and a tube and
some duct tape and some double-sided velcro and a bandana, along with
the pump and the usual tools.

Kathleen

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Wire Fibre tape might be glass fibre reinforced tape, could be useful
for split sidewalls????

Interesting. Makes me wonder: what do people do about split sidewalls? A
new tube (or patch) will just blow like the first one did. Is there any
way of fixing these things just enough to get back to the trailhead?

I've heard dollar bills, piece of (thin) bark, cut piece of plastic bottle
etc. Myself, I tend to use a couple pieces of cotton rag and some rubber
cement. Also works as a permanent fix if done at home and properly (a few
criss/crossed layers soaked in rubber cement, placed over the rip inside the
tyre, then a thick patch placed over the outside of the rip).

Shaun aRe

Tom Purvis said:

Nor will you necessarily have access to duct tape on the trail, but if
you want to try to use the tire for a little longer, tape that boot in
there when you have a chance.

Just wrap a foot or two around your water bottle.... (we are talking
"survival" mountain biking...)

Better yet, find some tape they use for theater stage setups. Much higher
quality, sticks like hell, and peels off quickly.

--Kamus