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Re: Lance Resentment

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  1. De: "Christoph Sch?fer" <[email hidden]>
    Objet: Re: Lance Resentment
    Date: vendredi 23 juillet 2004 12:14

    Hi Paul.
    Before answering your question about "the" attitudes about Lance
    Armstrong in Germany I want to say that I am still shocked about how
    German Fans treated him up the way to L´Alpe d´Huez. It was
    disgusting.
    There is no reason for such behaviour and all fans of the tour de
    france will agree to me in that point.
    But what seems to be a mainstream opinion about Lance Armstrong in
    Germany and France is that he brakes the unwritten ethical rules of
    the tour de france. The greatest sportsmen in bike racing (like
    Indurain, Hinault, ...) always tried to win without humbling the
    losers. People here love this art of sharing victories. One of these
    unwritten rules is that you don´t go for winning an etappe if you are
    the leader of the classement. Another one is that when you elope with
    a group and will become the first in the classement because of the
    time between the group an the second in the classement you let someone
    of the group win the etappe. And still another unwritten rule is that
    if you don´t do any work in a group you don´t go for the final sprint.
    Lance Armstrong doesn´t care for these rules. In this year´s tour and
    in the five ones before he broke every of this rule. In Germany and
    France his name stands for the end of the ethical aspects in bike
    racing.
    The people who love the tour de france not because of someone winning
    it very strong, but winning it like a great sportsman don´t like the
    "every second counts"-tactic of Lance Armstrong. From their point of
    view - and his statements underline that - someone who let´s another
    one win looks simply foolish now. The yesterday´s Armstrong statement
    in the press conference after his victory in Le Grand Bornand is a
    good example for that: "When I stood on the podium I thought: Perfect.
    No gifts this year." When he stood at the podium the fans where booing
    at him because he won the etappe with the yellow shirt on and over 4
    minutes distance to the second in the classement. They were booing at
    him also when he let the CSC-team do the work in the pyrenees -
    himself not driving one time in the wind - and winning this etappe
    also. And they bood at him when he told his team to make higher speed
    when Iban Mayo had a downfall in the first week of the tour (Mayo was
    suspected to be an opponent in the classement).
    There is no resentment against him because the people are envious
    about his strength or him being an American who wins a european
    competition. It´s just the way he wins. His image here is that of a
    coldblooded guy who makes jokes about rules the people love on that
    special bike race.
    Christoph

    Your "sportsman" Hinault (ask Lemond how much a sportsman 'the badger" was)
    praised Lance for going for the stage win.

    USP accelerated BEFORE Mayo fell, to avoid getting in any crash at the
    entry to the pavé. Mayo and EE weren't good enough to stay at the front to
    avoid the trouble. And after that T-Mobile and Phonak were setting the pace
    along with Postal.

    Have you forgotten the reaction of Pantani and all of Italy when Armstrong
    didn't contest the stage victory at Ventoux? If he lets the other person win
    he's criticized for being patronizing and not respecting the other rider. If
    he tries for the stage win (and gets it) he's criticized for being ruthless
    and not acting like a champion.

    French were booing at Armstrong even in 1999. I was there when he crossed
    the finish line on the Champs. His "image" in France is one perpetuated by
    L'Equipe, Le Monde, Liberation, ...

    But it's easier to rationalize disappointment by HOW he wins, than the fact
    THAT he wins.

  2. trg said:

    There is no resentment against him because the people are envious
    about his strength or him being an American who wins a european
    competition. It´s just the way he wins. His image here is that of a
    coldblooded guy who makes jokes about rules the people love on that
    special bike race.
    Christoph


    Thank you for that and some I snipped. This is very valuable information. I
    was once married to a bicycle racer who told me how much hated someone was
    who was a wind hogger or some such term. That was one who would not share
    the lead. She showed me how the group would shake such a person and refuese
    to let him ride in their mass (peleton?) and gain benefit from their work.
    OTOH, she also said that males would sometimes urinate on those behind them
    if they were hated rivals so I"m not going to accept too much that old time
    bike racers are always perfect gentlemen.

    OTOH, perhaps bicycle racing is now suffering the same affliction (if you
    will) that any sport will suffer when discovered by big money. LA is a major
    name in the US making serious income so for him to leave time behind by
    being a sportman could be equated to being stupid. It maybe like a US
    football team (or a world football team) not scoring a goal if well ahead in
    score. Such would never occur would it? As bike racing gets richer, we may
    see less old style grace and more football style hooliganism.

    -paul

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