Whats the "Truth"?

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I see excellent reviews for the Ellsworth truth on the web....the bike is trashed often on
newsgroups for frame weakness (breaking) and I see a lot of Truths out there for sale.

Is this the "great" bike as MB reviewers state it is?

Dunno from the Truth, but I'd consider my Ellsworth Isis a great bike.

OTOH, my warranty experience w/Ellsworth on a cracked frame was somewhere towards the opposite end
of the spectrum.
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Deloid said:

I see excellent reviews for the Ellsworth truth on the web....the bike is trashed often on
newsgroups for frame weakness (breaking) and I see a lot of Truths out there for sale.

Is this the "great" bike as MB reviewers state it is?

deloid

The Truth? Nice bike. Somewhat fragile under bigger or rougher riders. Terrible post-sale support
from Ellsworth. Pretty much everything that you have heard is True.

Miles

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I see excellent reviews for the Ellsworth truth on the web....the bike is trashed often on
newsgroups for frame weakness (breaking) and I see a lot of Truths out there for sale.

Is this the "great" bike as MB reviewers state it is?

You don't want to know the Truth about Ellsworth.

JD

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I see excellent reviews for the Ellsworth truth on the web....the bike is trashed often on
newsgroups for frame weakness (breaking) and I see a lot

of

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Truths out there for sale.

Is this the "great" bike as MB reviewers state it is?

deloid

Stop fecking about with the imitators and get the original - Turner.

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I see excellent reviews for the Ellsworth truth on the web....the bike

is

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trashed often on newsgroups for frame weakness (breaking) and I see a

lot

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of

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Truths out there for sale.

Is this the "great" bike as MB reviewers state it is?

deloid

Stop fecking about with the imitators and get the original - Turner.

Heheheh - Hi there Diggerdude the Turner rider. So, where's this RR then eh? ',;~}~

Shaun aRe

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I see excellent reviews for the Ellsworth truth on the web....the bike is trashed often on
newsgroups for frame weakness (breaking) and I see a lot of Truths out there for sale.

Is this the "great" bike as MB reviewers state it is?

You don't want to know the Truth about Ellsworth.

According to some sources in Hollywood, they must be difficult to control:

<Jack Nicholson> You want the TRUTH? You can't HANDLE the truth". </Jack Nicholson>

;-)

Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles habcycles.comhabcycles.comOpen ↗ Home of the $695 ti frame

Can you handle the Truth? (Sorry couldn't resist!)

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I see excellent reviews for the Ellsworth truth on the web....the bike is trashed often on
newsgroups for frame weakness (breaking) and I see a lot

of

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Truths out there for sale.

Is this the "great" bike as MB reviewers state it is?

deloid

JD said:

You don't want to know the Truth about Ellsworth.

Hey JD, I'll bite. What *is* the truth about Ellsworth?

Mark Bockmann, happy with mine

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I see excellent reviews for the Ellsworth truth on the web....the bike

is

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trashed often on newsgroups for frame weakness (breaking) and I see a

lot

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of

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Truths out there for sale.

Is this the "great" bike as MB reviewers state it is?

deloid

Stop fecking about with the imitators and get the original - Turner.

Heheheh - Hi there Diggerdude the Turner rider.

Yeah well I love it, more than that dude with the singlespeed loves his singlespeed...

So, where's this RR then eh?

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',;~}~

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Uh well a picture tells a thousand words, and I haven't downloaded the pictures yet..

Steve E.

miles todd said:

Deloid said:

I see excellent reviews for the Ellsworth truth on the web....the bike is trashed often on
newsgroups for frame weakness (breaking) and I see a lot of Truths out there for sale.

Is this the "great" bike as MB reviewers state it is?

deloid

The Truth? Nice bike. Somewhat fragile under bigger or rougher riders. Terrible post-sale support
from Ellsworth. Pretty much everything that you have heard is True.

What he said, except the fact that he left off the bit about Tony Ellsworth being a lying, spineless
sack of [censored] in addition to having poor customer service.

On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:14:36 +0000, Mark Hickey did issue forth:

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<Jack Nicholson> You want the TRUTH? You can't HANDLE the truth". </Jack
Nicholson>

Hmmmph. I was going to post that.

*sulks*

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> I see excellent reviews for the Ellsworth truth on the web....the

bike

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> trashed often on newsgroups for frame weakness (breaking) and I see

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Stop fecking about with the imitators and get the original - Turner.

Heheheh - Hi there Diggerdude the Turner rider.

Yeah well I love it, more than that dude with the singlespeed loves his singlespeed...

Good for you! Can't say I blame you - pretty sweer piece of kit IMO too. Not assweet as my BASE
though, no, not even close........heheheheheh..........

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So, where's this RR then eh?

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',;~}~

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Uh well a picture tells a thousand words, and I haven't downloaded the pictures yet..

Ohhhhh, you _bad_ boy! I'll try and throw some words together today, when I get my brain cells to
march in formation again - they're currently doing the chaos jig....

Shaun aRe

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> Stop fecking about with the imitators and get the original - Turner.

Heheheh - Hi there Diggerdude the Turner rider.

Yeah well I love it, more than that dude with the singlespeed loves his singlespeed...

Good for you! Can't say I blame you - pretty sweer piece of kit IMO too.

Not

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assweet as my BASE though, no, not even close........heheheheheh..........

Its taken about 10 years of bike ownership evolution to get to a bike that I can finally say I'm
happy with,

Started on a rigid marin (stolen) > rigid dyna-tech (oops, take a step backwards, stolen) > Scott
evo with Rockshox Quadra (stolen) > Cannondale killer V (ahem, stolen) > Orange Vit T with Pace
Rc35's (lovely bike, shame it broke) > DNA tube with Rockshox Judy DH (terrible Ti frame, don't even
think about it, broke two frames) > Foes weasel (broke) with Judy DH (broke) then Stratos MX6
(broke) > Intense Uzzi DH with White Bros UD150 (sold) > Turner RFX with Manitou supernova (The end)

Although strangely enough I've now just finished building up a fully rigid frame with
thumbshifters...

Steve E.

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Good for you! Can't say I blame you - pretty sweer piece of kit IMO too.

Not

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assweet as my BASE though, no, not even

close........heheheheheh..........

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Its taken about 10 years of bike ownership evolution to get to a bike that

I

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can finally say I'm happy with,

Started on a rigid marin (stolen) > rigid dyna-tech (oops, take a step backwards, stolen) > Scott
evo with Rockshox Quadra (stolen) > Cannondale killer V (ahem, stolen) > Orange Vit T with Pace
Rc35's (lovely bike,

shame

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it broke) > DNA tube with Rockshox Judy DH (terrible Ti frame, don't even think about it, broke
two frames) > Foes weasel (broke) with Judy DH

(broke)

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then Stratos MX6 (broke) > Intense Uzzi DH with White Bros UD150 (sold) > Turner RFX with Manitou
supernova (The end)

That's a lot of 'stolen' there Spadie - dodgy mates?

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Although strangely enough I've now just finished building up a fully rigid frame with
thumbshifters...

That's what marriage does to a man is it?

Shaun aRe

P e t e F a g e r l i n said:

miles todd said:

Deloid said:

I see excellent reviews for the Ellsworth truth on the web....the bike is trashed often on
newsgroups for frame weakness (breaking) and I see a lot of Truths out there for sale.

Is this the "great" bike as MB reviewers state it is?

deloid

The Truth? Nice bike. Somewhat fragile under bigger or rougher riders.

Terrible post-sale support from Ellsworth. Pretty much everything that you have heard is True.

What he said, except the fact that he left off the bit about Tony Ellsworth being a lying,
spineless sack of [censored] in addition to having poor customer service.

Well, I know Tony, and I may want to weasel a deal out of him some day...

Miles

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Good for you! Can't say I blame you - pretty sweer piece of kit IMO

too.

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assweet as my BASE though, no, not even

close........heheheheheh..........

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Its taken about 10 years of bike ownership evolution to get to a bike

that

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I

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can finally say I'm happy with,

Started on a rigid marin (stolen) > rigid dyna-tech (oops, take a step backwards, stolen) >
Scott evo with Rockshox Quadra (stolen) >

Cannondale

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killer V (ahem, stolen) > Orange Vit T with Pace Rc35's (lovely bike,

shame

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it broke) > DNA tube with Rockshox Judy DH (terrible Ti frame, don't

even

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think about it, broke two frames) > Foes weasel (broke) with Judy DH

(broke)

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then Stratos MX6 (broke) > Intense Uzzi DH with White Bros UD150 (sold)

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Turner RFX with Manitou supernova (The end)

That's a lot of 'stolen' there Spadie - dodgy mates?

Well yes Shaun, but you didn't steal them ALL did you? Most were stolen from out of the garage -
B*stards broke in through the windows, the door and the roof. Eventually I got fed up and started
keeping them in the house.

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Although strangely enough I've now just finished building up a fully

rigid

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frame with thumbshifters...

That's what marriage does to a man is it?

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Shaun aRe

Just something I've been thinking about doing for a while, should be a good contrast to the Turner
and help me remember that there is a thing called line choice...

Steve E.

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That's a lot of 'stolen' there Spadie - dodgy mates?

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Well yes Shaun, but you didn't steal them ALL did you? Most were stolen

from

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out of the garage - B*stards broke in through the windows, the door and

the

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roof. Eventually I got fed up and started keeping them in the house.

Heheh - I was twisting your post and hinting like you owned stolen bikes, not had them
stolen from you.

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Although strangely enough I've now just finished building up a fully

rigid

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frame with thumbshifters...

That's what marriage does to a man is it?

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Shaun aRe

Just something I've been thinking about doing for a while, should be a

good

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contrast to the Turner and help me remember that there is a thing called line choice...

Yeah, make the man ride the bike and not the other way around eh? Or summink.......

Shaun aRe

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What he said, except the fact that he left off the bit about Tony Ellsworth being a lying,
spineless sack of [censored] in addition to having poor customer service.

Like I said, you don't want to know the Truth about Ellsworth. That is, unless you are considering
buying a bike from him.

JD watching the six