Cyclist Payback???

"mrbubl" <[email hidden]> wrote

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LONDON (Reuters) - A British cyclist who slashed almost 2,000 tires

after a

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driver drenched him when driving through a puddle was sentenced to 16

months

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in prison Friday.

Sounds like a few regular posters to this newsgroup . . . extreme and
violent reactions to their problems with motorists . . . Not that that
is the norm, but I've seen some pretty violent, reactionary comments
made here from time to time . . .

-Brendon

In rec.bicycles.misc Brendon M. Troy said:

Sounds like a few regular posters to this newsgroup . . . extreme and
violent reactions to their problems with motorists . . . Not that that
is the norm, but I've seen some pretty violent, reactionary comments
made here from time to time . . .

so you agree? he was justified in his actions.
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LONDON (Reuters) - A British cyclist who slashed almost 2,000 tires after

a

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driver drenched him when driving through a puddle was sentenced to 16

months

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in prison Friday.

Gosh, that's a bit severe. Now, putting "I support terrorism" bumper
stickers on H2s and Suburbans is FUNNY... :-)

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 15:42:33 GMT, "mrbubl"
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LONDON (Reuters) - A British cyclist who slashed almost 2,000 tires after a
driver drenched him when driving through a puddle was sentenced to 16 months
in prison Friday.

And the same day a driver who killed a cyclist and left the scene
without giving aid or reporting the crash was given a modest fine and
a twelve month ban. The ban was for leaving the scene, not for
killing the cyclist. Funny old world...

These days drivers who are drunk prefer to leave the scene as the
penalty is the same but the insurance hit is lower than for DUI. And
sometimes they get away with it, as was the case for one driver
recently who ran downa cyclist, drove off without calling an
abulance, and gave herself up the next day when she was sober
(witnesses say she had been drinking). Nine points (twelve is a ban)
and a fine. Drink-driving and manslaughter and not even a short
period of disqualification! Result!

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Brendon M. Troy said:

"mrbubl" <[email hidden]> wrote

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LONDON (Reuters) - A British cyclist who slashed almost 2,000 tires
after a driver drenched him when driving through a puddle was
sentenced to 16 months in prison Friday.

Sounds like a few regular posters to this newsgroup . . . extreme and
violent reactions to their problems with motorists . . . Not that that
is the norm, but I've seen some pretty violent, reactionary comments
made here from time to time . . .

Comments are one thing, but actually taking a knife to your enemies is
another.

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Brendon M. Troy said:

"mrbubl" <[email hidden]> wrote

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LONDON (Reuters) - A British cyclist who slashed almost 2,000 tires

after a

Quoted message said:

driver drenched him when driving through a puddle was sentenced to 16

months

Quoted message said:

in prison Friday.

Sounds like a few regular posters to this newsgroup . . . extreme and
violent reactions to their problems with motorists . . . Not that that is
the norm, but I've seen some pretty violent, reactionary comments made
here from time to time . . .

-Brendon

It may be very healthy to express extreme and violent reactions in
this newsgroup. It may help you overcome your anger or frustration.
Consider it as a debriefing. If this British cyclist had been attending
cycling forums, he might have found some sympathy and perhaps would not
have developed such a long lasting hatred.

One thing strikes me, though. Slashing between one and four tires should
normally have been enough to exhaust the guy's rage. Going on for 1996
more may indicate that he is closer to a psychiatric case, and would
therefore be beyond the comforting power of our sympathetic ears...

Jacques

In rec.bicycles.misc Jacques Moser said:

One thing strikes me, though. Slashing between one and four tires should
normally have been enough to exhaust the guy's rage. Going on for 1996
more may indicate that he is closer to a psychiatric case

shows dedication and promise if you ask me. we need to get this guy into
graduate school and academia and safely out of society's way doing 80 hour
weeks and working on his thesis. float him on his dissertation and we could
have him out of the way for 10 years .. forget about 18 months (or whatever
it was) in jail. the punishment would certainly be worse than jail. so
would the pay.
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 15:42:33 GMT, "mrbubl"
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<[email hidden]>:

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LONDON (Reuters) - A British cyclist who slashed almost 2,000 tires after a
driver drenched him when driving through a puddle was sentenced to 16 months
in prison Friday.

And the same day a driver who killed a cyclist and left the scene
without giving aid or reporting the crash was given a modest fine and
a twelve month ban. The ban was for leaving the scene, not for
killing the cyclist. Funny old world...

These days drivers who are drunk prefer to leave the scene as the
penalty is the same but the insurance hit is lower than for DUI. And
sometimes they get away with it, as was the case for one driver
recently who ran downa cyclist, drove off without calling an
abulance, and gave herself up the next day when she was sober
(witnesses say she had been drinking). Nine points (twelve is a ban)
and a fine. Drink-driving and manslaughter and not even a short
period of disqualification! Result!

--
Guy

Whew. This is scary. I will keep this in mind from now on when I cycle.
Stay well away from anyone who looks drunk on the road. There is no mercy
shown to the person who gets hit by a drunk anymore. All the mercy is
shown to the drunk driver instead.

I don't condone the tire-slasher one iota--he sounds psycho to me--but
have I oft-times wished I could get a gentler form of revenge on the
idiots I've encountered on the road? Yes.
--
Trudi

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He makes grown men cry in their cereal."
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Trudi Marrapodi said:

I don't condone the tire-slasher one iota--he sounds psycho to me--but
have I oft-times wished I could get a gentler form of revenge on the
idiots I've encountered on the road? Yes.

Maybe instead of slashing, just removing the valve core from his tires?
Seems a lot gentler. I _guess_ it's still illegal, though.

(What's the charge? "Releasing captive air?"😉

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On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 22:57:03 -0400, [email hidden]
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This is scary. I will keep this in mind from now on when I cycle.
Stay well away from anyone who looks drunk on the road. There is no mercy
shown to the person who gets hit by a drunk anymore. All the mercy is
shown to the drunk driver instead.

Shortly afterwards there was an even "better" one. Five months for a
repeat offender who actually laughed as he drove away. Note that
there is a call for the courts to be given increased powers: this is
unnecessary. He could have been charged with manslaughter, which
carries a potential life sentence.

The newspaper report was as follows:

A Banned driver who mowed down and killed a newly wed teacher has been
jailed for less than six months despite having 21 convictions for
driving while disqualified.

Rogue motorist Mark Andrew Webster mowed down 35-year-old teacher
Anthony Wilkinson and then drove off laughing.

Yesterday Webster, 36, was sentenced to just five-and-a-half months in
jail.

Today neighbours of Webster, of 16th Avenue, north Hull, revealed how
he continually flouted his driving ban.

One furious resident, who didn't want to be named, said: "He deserves
to get more than this. He has hit someone and then driven off. He
deserves to go down for longer.

"It seems to me such a light sentence. I am very shocked.

"He was banned from driving but I've seen him drive his car a few
times."

Now Haltemprice and Howden MP David Davis, whose constituency covers
Mr Wilkinson's Cottingham home has called for courts to be given
increased powers.

He said: "I'm very strongly in favour of an extension of the law for
those cases where there's a flagrant abuse.

"That would mean people who misuse cars, either to deliberately cause
injury or death or - as in this case - drive without insurance or
qualifications - could have very long bans and much longer sentences."

The call for a longer sentence was backed by campaigning charity
Roadpeace, which looks after the interests of road accident victims.

Campaigner Zoe Stow said: "The sentence is ridiculous in light of what
this man has done.

"The law fails us in this area. In this case, there was obviously not
enough evidence to prove dangerous driving.

"If there was a motor manslaughter or vehicular homicide charge, like
in other countries, courts could look at how culpable he was for
killing this person, instead of what the standard of his driving was."

At Hull Magistrates' Court yesterday, Webster pleaded guilty to
driving while disqualified, careless driving, failing to stop, failing
to report an accident and driving with no insurance.

Today, Nigel Cowgill, Chief Crown Prosecutor for Humberside Crown
Prosecution Service (CPS), explained the charges were the most serious
his department could bring.

He said: "This is a tragic case in which the prosecution considered
the evidence very carefully before selecting the charges that were put
before the court.

"The choice of charges in a case such as this are limited. The
sentence that was imposed by the magistrates reflects the gravity of
this matter within the available powers they have."

Webster was only arrested 16 hours

after the accident and a breath test taken at that time was negative.

It was alleged that Webster had been on a seven-hour drinking binge
before getting behind the wheel of his Ford Transit.

Prosecutor Joanne Golding said: "He drove off and had a laugh about it
with his friends. It was callous and cold-hearted."

Webster was also banned from driving for 10 years.

The tragedy happened near to McDonalds on Beverley Road in Hull on
April 4 - the day Mr Wilkinson was celebrating his birthday.

As the teacher stepped off a kerb, Webster's van hit him, throwing his
body into a nearby bus shelter.

Mrs Golding said Webster drove off and left his van at a friend's
house, but three passengers reported him to police the next day.

The court also heard how in December 2002, he was jailed for 21 months
after being convicted of dangerous driving. He was released six months
early on licence but, having reoffended, must now serve those six
months taking yesterday's sentence upto 11-and-a-half months.

Mr Wilkinson, from The Paddock, Cottingham, taught at Longcroft School
and Performing Arts College, Beverley and had been married to wife
Helen for just five months. After the hearing she said: "I feel lost,
devastated. Life is very unfair.

"We got married in August and it was a fantastic day, Anthony didn't
stop smiling."

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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 00:25:12 -0500, Zippy the Pinhead
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There was a comic awhile back -- I've long since forgotten which one
-- who had this idea. Everyone would be issued these little
dart-guns. They'd shoot a dart that had a little flag on it that said
"STUPID". They'd shoot them at any driver they saw doing something,
well, stupid. If any law enforcement officer saw a car with five or
more "stupid" darts on it, he could stop the car and arrest the driver
without further ado.

Superb idea!

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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:45:03 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
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This is scary. I will keep this in mind from now on when I cycle.
Stay well away from anyone who looks drunk on the road. There is no mercy
shown to the person who gets hit by a drunk anymore. All the mercy is
shown to the drunk driver instead.

Shortly afterwards there was an even "better" one. Five months for a
repeat offender who actually laughed as he drove away.

Do you think that the crime should carry more punishment if
the perpetrator laughs? Just curious, since I have heard that proposal
before.

Ken (NY)
Chairman,
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:14:43 GMT, "Ken [NY)" <[email hidden]>

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Do you think that the crime should carry more punishment if
the perpetrator laughs? Just curious, since I have heard that proposal
before.

I've heard it used by judges themselves. The issue of remorse does
come in as a consideration.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:14:43 GMT, "Ken [NY)" <[email hidden]>

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Do you think that the crime should carry more punishment if
the perpetrator laughs? Just curious, since I have heard that proposal
before.

On reflection, yes. If you hit someone, stop, render aid, they die,
you call the police and show proper remorse - well, you're a human
being who made a mistake. If you hit someone and drive off laughing
leaving them to die, you are inhuman. Looking at this guy's record he
is apparently a sociopath.

Cut off his goolies. It's the only language these people understand.

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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:26:24 -0400, Curtis L. Russell
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Quoted message said:

Do you think that the crime should carry more punishment if
the perpetrator laughs? Just curious, since I have heard that proposal
before.

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I've heard it used by judges themselves. The issue of remorse does
come in as a consideration.

The remorse usually starts at about the time they are arrested and
realise that despite having fled the scene they are caught bang to
rights. I am rather cynical about lethally bad drivers whose lawyers
tell the court they are wracked with guilt as if this were punishment
enough.

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you know? said:

The remorse usually starts at about the time they are arrested and
realise that despite having fled the scene they are caught bang to
rights. I am rather cynical about lethally bad drivers whose lawyers
tell the court they are wracked with guilt as if this were punishment
enough.

I think it usually works in reverse. The judges don't give extra
points for showing high levels of remorse - there are some TV
evangelists that I can remember crying at the drop of a hanky - but
they take a harsh look at those that show no remorse, like laughing at
the victims' families. This person was showing no remorse and in a
clear way (evidently).

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Ken NY) said:

Quoted message said:

Do you think that the crime should carry more punishment if
the perpetrator laughs? Just curious, since I have heard that proposal
before.

you know? said:

On reflection, yes. If you hit someone, stop, render aid, they die,
you call the police and show proper remorse - well, you're a human
being who made a mistake. If you hit someone and drive off laughing
leaving them to die, you are inhuman. Looking at this guy's record he
is apparently a sociopath.

Cut off his goolies. It's the only language these people understand.

Assuming that the article is the truth (and all of it):
He is inhuman. Why should we care what language he understands? His
language should be WormFoodIsh -- as in, if they cut something off,
it should be his head. Is there some reason to keep him around? Does
he do anything other than hurt and _deliberately_murder_ people? He
has forfeited his excuse for being alive.
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 16:48:14 -0400, Rick Onanian <[email hidden]>

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Is there some reason to keep him around? Does
he do anything other than hurt and _deliberately_murder_ people? He
has forfeited his excuse for being alive.

No, I don't want society to stoop to his level. Lock him up and
ensure a generous supply of razor blades and barbiturates in case he
wants to top himself.

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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:26:24 -0400, Curtis L. Russell
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:14:43 GMT, "Ken [NY)" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Do you think that the crime should carry more punishment if
the perpetrator laughs? Just curious, since I have heard that proposal
before.

I've heard it used by judges themselves. The issue of remorse does
come in as a consideration.

So sentences are based on how good an actor the defendant
happens to be. Justice is weird.

Ken (NY)
Chairman,
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