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Any opinions on Dawes Audax 02 or 03. 02 looks good value at the moment

I bought the 02 at the end of last year when Evans cut the price to £600 from £800 and am quite
pleased. I only had an old Kona MTB, so the intention was for the Dawes Audax to be a road bike
which could also be

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for occasional touring. So far it's only been used for road training and it's a little heavy and
low spec components for the "full" price, but is still a joy to ride. The tyres are not very good
though (Schwalbe Blizzards) and puncture a

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of a lot (rear tyre went 4 times in 3 weeks), but since I've changed to Conti Duraskins I've not
had a puncture yet (several months).

Hope this helps

WBT

I have the dawes audax - I *think* it's the 01 - and it's lovely to ride, now I'm getting past the
problems of it not quite fitting me (top tube too long, seat to bb fine) ;-) I wanted something
lighter than a normal tourer (have to shoulder it up a flight of stairs each time) but with
mudguards/pannier brazeons) and this was the best value I found for the spec. A comparable (Might
have been one of the orbits) was around 2-300 quid more expensive.

Velvet

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A new road bike, that is, for Nathan.

Got him a Peugeot G400 which is remarkably light, and fitted with Campag Mirage & Veloce and at a
very reasonable price. He chose it and it's a quite nice bike
- shades of grey & blue with a blue saddle. The funny bit is we've got Look pedals to put on it.
That should be fun for a while. Any bets on how many times he forgets to unclip??

hehe - now he'll have to walk like a duck. One the one occasion I used LOOKs I found walking much
more dangerous than forgetting to unclip. (that may have been as they were on a turbo trainer :-)

Carbon forks eh? Blimey.

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So far he's now really starting to enjoy his cycling and is chuffed to ribbons with his new bike,
especially since he's been promised carbon forks for it ;-)

How old is he? How long before he thinks anything his parents are interested in is automatically
embarassing and stupid ;-)

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A new road bike, that is, for Nathan.

Got him a Peugeot G400 which is remarkably light, and fitted with Campag

Mirage

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& Veloce and at a very reasonable price. He chose it and it's a quite nice

bike

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- shades of grey & blue with a blue saddle. The funny bit is we've got

Look

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pedals to put on it. That should be fun for a while. Any bets on how many

times

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he forgets to unclip??

Tell him to make sure if he unclips his left foot while waiting to turn right, to lean to the left
a little more than usual. There's nothing worse than over balancing into oncoming traffic while
the right foot is still clicked in! I did it once but fortunately there was a stationary car to
fall onto.

Russell

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Tell him to make sure if he unclips his left foot while waiting to turn right, to lean to the left
a little more than usual. There's nothing worse than over balancing into oncoming traffic while
the right foot is still clicked in! I did it once but fortunately there was a stationary car to
fall onto.

Russell

I was thinking about this today. I *have* to unclip my right foot first, no matter what, or I simply
fall over. I *have* to have my right foot on the ground before I can unclip my left foot.

But I am strange ;-)

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I was thinking about this today. I *have* to unclip my right foot first, no matter what, or I
simply fall over. I *have* to have my right foot on the ground before I can unclip my left foot.

But I am strange ;-)

Me too, it just feels wrong to be stopped with my right foot clicked in.
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I was thinking about this today. I *have* to unclip my right foot first, no matter what, or I
simply fall over. I *have* to have my right foot on the ground before I can unclip my left foot.

But I am strange ;-)

Well, yes. But it could well be that you're left handed. I never unclip my left foot first unless
it's one of those ARRGGHHH moments; I tend to unclip both feet ASAP in those situations.

In my pre-toe-straps and pre-clipped days I always removed my right foot from the pedal before I
took off my left foot (yes, I know what I've just typed).

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Well, yes. But it could well be that you're left handed.

No, I'm not left handed, nor ambidexterous.

Cheers, helen s

You might be naturally , Helen, but had it trained out of you as a child....sorry, just realised
that you are probably young enough to have been raised in an era when they'd stopped forcing right
handedness. Often wonder what effect this had on people that did suffer it though.... Dave.

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just realised that you are probably young enough to have been raised in an era when they'd stopped
forcing right handedness.

Helen will like you for that one I'm sure. I went to college with someone in the early 1980s who had
his left arm strapped to his body in the 1970s in order to force him to use his right hand. As child
abuse goes such a thing is relatively mild, but it still makes me shudder to think of.

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You might be naturally , Helen, but had it trained out of you as a child....sorry, just realised
that you are probably young enough to have been raised in an era when they'd stopped forcing right
handedness.

I was forced to learn to write with my left hand. Well, there wasn't any forcing involved, but
that's what I was taught, & my handwriting was a source of castigation throughout my schooldays. I
normally started using things like tennis rackets and mice with my left hand and then realised it
was more comfortable with my right hand, and now the only thing I use my left hand for at all
comfortably is writing, so I'm pretty certain I was taught wrong.

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You might be naturally , Helen, but had it trained out of you as a child....

I think I might have remembered that - as one of my best friends as a

child was

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a left-handed lady. 🙂

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sorry, just realised that you are probably young enough to have been raised in an era when they'd
stopped forcing right handedness.

Ah... the stone age 🙂

Shirley Knot ?....

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just realised that you are probably young enough to have been raised in an era when they'd
stopped forcing right handedness.

Helen will like you for that one I'm sure.

Subtlety <s?> was never my strong point ;-)

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I went to college with someone in the early 1980s who had his left arm

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in the 1970s in order to force him to use his right hand. As child abuse goes such a thing is
relatively mild, but it still makes me shudder to think of.

yup, that's the sort of era I'm thinking of... :-(

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Dave said:

You might be naturally , Helen, but had it trained out of you as a child....sorry, just realised
that you are probably young enough to have been raised in an era when they'd stopped forcing right
handedness. Often wonder what effect this had on people that did suffer it though....

My mother was forced to use her right hand and she's dead. T'was indeed a harsh and cruel world back
in the 1920s.

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David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E I will always explain revoked
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Please explain (been wondering long enough now....)

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Well, yes. But it could well be that you're left handed.

No, I'm not left handed, nor ambidexterous.

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You might be naturally , Helen, but had it trained out of you as a child....sorry, just realised
that you are probably young enough to have been raised in an era when they'd stopped forcing right
handedness. Often wonder what effect this had on people that did suffer it though....

I'm an old sufferer.

I'm a natural right hander who was forced to write with the left hand by a teacher who wouldn't let
me sit doing no writing while my right hand was in bandages. When the bandages came off I wrote much
better with left than right so stayed with it. I suspect the effect of this has been that it reduced
the natural specialisation of language skills to one side of my brain which usually happens in
males. I have seen it hypothesised that this helps the development of wit, since it makes it easier
to exploit the natural ambiguities of language. The larger corpus callosum in women makes it harder
for them to be in two minds about things.

Another advantage of being a natural right-hander but a left-handed writer is that the injuries
which naturally happen more often to the stronger more used and abused hand don't stop you from
writing. An educational advantage is that I learned very early to distrust teachers.

So it seems to me as though it might be the case that boys should be encouraged to write with the
wrong hand. The lesser linguistic lateral specialisation in adult women (which is why they don't
lose so much speech in strokes, and recover better), may invalidate this argument for girls.
Tomboys, whose linguistic lateralisation is on average roughly mid way between the male and
female averages, would have to be considered separately, as would whatever you call the
equivalent kind of male.

No, Jones, that was a generic "you", and we're not interested in what you call Paul. Now, if you
will all pick up your pens in the wrong hand...

However, given that today's teachers have even given up teaching children how to hold a pen,
resulting in the many varieties of "fumble fist" and "comprehensive claw" our young folk so
ingeniously struggle to write with, I hold out no hope of progress here.
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