New KH seat?

After intense investigation, and here's what I found:

1. The "new" Kris Holm seat will not be available until the end of the
year.
2. The Torker LX and Miata seats have interchangeable parts.
3. It is possible to have the spinning bolt problem with the carbon
fiber frame.
4. The GB4 frame stiffener can prevent the spinning bolt problem.
5. The Torker LX comes in black
6. The Torker LX can be upgraded to an air seat the same as Miata.

My attempt here is to create the future Kris Holm seat:
1. Solve the maintainence problem (easier taking apart and putting
together).
2. Solve the spinning bolt problem
3. Solve the cracking aluminum plate problem
4. Solve the unreplaceable seat cover problem
5. Solve the availability problem (that Miata and KH seats have)
6. Solve the bulk and weight problem

Conclusion:
I ordered a Torker LX saddle ($40) with a GB4 frame stiffener ($10), and
GB4 seat post ($22) (which will work with the future Kris Holm saddle).

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ChangingLINKS.com said:

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My attempt here is to create the future Kris Holm seat:
1. Solve the maintainence problem (easier taking apart and putting
together).
2. Solve the spinning bolt problem
3. Solve the cracking aluminum plate problem
4. Solve the unreplaceable seat cover problem
5. Solve the availability problem (that Miata and KH seats have)
6. Solve the bulk and weight problem

*

Just add my $0.02 worth.
I agree with all your points above- and I've tried advocating it on many
occastions. I don't think it would be a big deal of work to make the KH
seat perfect.

Only other thing I'd like to add is that I think the bolts need to screw
in with an Allen Key style bolt- it would make life so much simpler. An
allen key takes up much less space in your toolkit compared with a heavy
socket wrech, and can be used for your seat clamp bolt as well if it's
the same size. And there'd be no rounding of the nuts, or difficulty
accessing the bolts when the seat is too low.

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I'd really like to see CF bases as standard as I have got through 3 or 4
KH seats (by snapping parts of them) and I'm not a rough rider. I guess
it would up the price a fair bit though.

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ChangingLINKS.com said:

*I heard someone mention that they have a Kris Holm seat with a nylon
cover (instead of the leather-like cover that I have).*

Yes, my new one has a nylon-like cover. I don't know what it's really
made of, but so far so good. I'm pretty sure the cover is still glued
and stapled on at this point, though.

Quoted message said:

*"what's with the Miata seats?"
Is it possible to make them as comfortable as a KH seat WITHOUT
inserting an innertube in the seat?*

Possibly, by putting in the same foam. But what's wrong with an air
seat? Those are generally considered to be the most comfortable of all,
and they don't weight appreciably more than foam. I like my air seats,
and my KH seats. I have a stock Miyata seat on my Freestyle uni, but if
I were riding it all the time, I wouldn't be able to stand it. I'd been
putting extra foam in my "regular" Miyata seats for about 10 years
before people came up with the air design.

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My opinion is that currently the best seat for trials, muni, or Cokering
is a carbon fiber base air seat combo. It can be either a high volume
air seat (like in my 'air seat gallery'
(http://gallery.unicyclist.com/Airseat)), or a low volume air seat that
is half the thickness of the high volume seat. Whatever is comfortable
for the user. For now the carbon fiber combo is the way to go.

The carbon fiber base is strong and stiff. It won't flex. Bolts will
not spin (if you drill the holes correctly). You can mount a handle on
the front of the seat (like the Kinport handle or Reeder handle) and the
seat will not flex or break. It's a seat that can take the abuse of
aggressive riding.

With the air seat conversion the carbon fiber base makes for a very
comfortable seat. You can customize the air seat to suit your needs.
It takes some work to get it tweaked to make it as comfortable as
possible. Once you get it dialed in, it's a very nice seat.

The carbon fiber base does make for an expensive seat. Unfortunately,
for now that is the best option. Eventually the KH seat will get to be
stronger. The flex will be gone. The spinning bolts will be gone. The
broken stiffener plates will be gone. The seat will have a removable
cover so the insides can be worked on easily. It will all be perfect.
But we aren't there yet. So, for now, the carbon fiber seat is it.

Something that might be interesting for the people with broken KH seats.
It might make for a comfortable seat to take the foam from the broken
KH seat, put it on a carbon fiber base, and then put a Roach/KH seat
cover over it. That could make for a strong and comfortable non air
seat.

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I have a KH CF seat base with the original foam and handles and a
leather unicycle.com replacement KH cover and Kinport rail bracket on my
muni and it's really comfy! And no noticeable flex at all, whereas I
feel a tiny bit of twist in the Miyata CF base.

Quick Q, no jacking intended: will GB4 coker handles fit a KH CF base?

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one wheeled stallion said:

*I have a KH CF seat base with the original foam and handles and a
leather unicycle.com replacement KH cover and Kinport rail bracket on
my muni and it's really comfy! And no noticeable flex at all, whereas
I feel a tiny bit of twist in the Miyata CF base.

Quick Q, no jacking intended: will GB4 coker handles fit a KH CF base?
*

Oh yeah, Those of you in the UK have special carbon fiber bases for the
KH seats. We don't have those yet here in the USA. We've got the
Miyata shaped CF seat bases, but not the KH shaped CF seat bases.

The CF bases are the best thing to happen to unicycle seats.

I would assume that you can fit a GB4 Coker handle on the KH CF seat
base. You just drill holes where needed. Washers or other spacers will
make sure the handle fits flush even though the base of the seat is
curved. It's the same deal with the Miyata shaped CF seat base.

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