Toe clips!

hell-on-wheel said:

*Well, I did it. I joined the (according to 'John Foss'
(http://www.unicycling.com/garage/special.htm)) 1% of unicyclists who
use toe clips

However, I find that (with road unicycling), 90% of my UPD's are
caused by nothing more than a foot slipping off the pedal. I actually
feel much more stable and confident with the toe clips. Also, I'm
forced to keep the ball of my foot on the pedal, allowing me to
utilize my ankles more when climbing hills.*

That 1% has got to be a major overestimate. You are in a very
teeny-weenie percentage of a teeny-weenie sport.

I can see how clips (or clipless) would be less scary for road riding,
especially on a familiar route, such as my ride to work. I have had only
a small handful of unplanned dismounts in many trips to and from the
office, and most of those were at stops and starts. Otherwise I pedal
all the way from one forced stop (traffic light) to the next.

But my feet don't slip around on my pedals. I can adjust them as I see
fit, but they stay in place very well with my pinned pedals. On a large
wheel cycle, especially a Coker, I think there is less chance of getting
tangled up with your pedals as there is with smaller wheels. So if you
don't have pinned pedals try some out, and possibly a shoe with a softer
bottom if those aren't working for you.

If your feet are *still* slipping it may mean you just need to work on
smoothing out your pedal stroke. Or if not that, your route may be more
bumpy than my mostly paved one. But I rode several miles on dirt
yesterday and didn't notice a problem with foot placement on the pedals,
except when mounting.

How to mount with toeclips? My advice for the most part still has to be
"don't." Beyond that, I think I'd start on the open side of the pedal,
and carefully try to flip them one at a time before speeding up.
Practice your one footing skills!

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I know one of the less than 1%...... hopeful rides with toe clips
(crazyness) 😄

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Try 'Egg Beaters' (http://tinyurl.com/pva5).

I have a pair of regular eggbeaters on my road bike and a pair of candy
SLs on my fixed gear. Mounting the fixed gear is similar to mounting a
Uni in that once you are up your feet are moving, and sometimes at a
high rate of speed. I have no problems clipping in at any speed, or
unclipping at any speed (just unweight the foot and swing the ankle out
15 degrees). Engagement is easy and very positive.

Because of the symmetry and simplicity there are three ways to get in:

1) Line it up and stomp down
2) Scuff foot forwards
3) Scuff foot backwards

Now that I've experienced a couple of "high speed" crashes on my Coker
I'm a little more likely to go for cleats. First, because I DID crash
on the Coker - both falls were low-side, twisting affairs where rolling
out of the fall where rolling out of the fall was far easier than
running out of the fall. On my smaller unicycles I always land on my
feet. I tried that on the Coker a couple of times and concluded that I
would eventually jamb a knee, twist an ankle or strain my back. Rolling
is safer.

Second, both my Coker falls were very benign. I'm used to high-speed
bike crashes where you get 3-5 seconds of deep meditation on the
potential usefulness of protective gear as a hand-sized piece of skin is
ground down, then 2-3 weeks of carefully changing bandages and watching
for signs of infection. The worst I've seen with a Coker crash is a
minor abrasion on my elbow. I think with practice rolling I wouldn't
even get that.

So I'm inclined to believe that "tumbling in" while cleated would be no
worse than normal pinned pedals, and perhaps less frequent since control
with cleats is so much more positive. Also, by eliminating the need for
pins the pedals would be a little more leg-friendly and less armor would
be required.

Of course, I have to get good at the dang thing first. That might take
a while. I am enjoing the "carved" turns that are possible on the big
wheel. It's beginning to feel like I'm riding something instead of just
managing to push the planet away.

Tim

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I have used partial toe clips on bicycles for years, they are simply
regular toe clips with the straps removed. They would probably be safer
than regular clips, but without as much extra "oomph".

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In article <[email hidden]>,
cyberbellum <[email hidden]> wrote:
)
)Try 'Egg Beaters' (http://tinyurl.com/pva5).
)
)I have a pair of regular eggbeaters on my road bike and a pair of candy
)SLs on my fixed gear. Mounting the fixed gear is similar to mounting a
)Uni in that once you are up your feet are moving, and sometimes at a
)high rate of speed. I have no problems clipping in at any speed, or
)unclipping at any speed (just unweight the foot and swing the ankle out
)15 degrees). Engagement is easy and very positive.

Mounting into clipless pedals on a unicycle is very different from
mounting on a bike, even a fixed-gear bike. You have to manage to
press down and forward at the same time, while still using your pedal
stroke to balance. It's quite tricky, really. The fixed-gear will stay
balanced no matter what you do with the pedals.

When I rode with SPD pedals, I would try to clip in while holding on
to something--even that was quite tricky. If I had to freemount, I
was often a significant distance down the road before I managed to get
both feet clipped in, and I had a number of UPDs and a few falls related
to attempting to clip in.

)So I'm inclined to believe that "tumbling in" while cleated would be no
)worse than normal pinned pedals, and perhaps less frequent since control
)with cleats is so much more positive. Also, by eliminating the need for
)pins the pedals would be a little more leg-friendly and less armor would
)be required.

It's definitely true that being clipped in reduces UPDs at speed.
(Dealing with the clips tends to increase UPDs while mounting and
dismounting). However, I think it's foolish to think you'd be able to
safely "tumble" your Coker while it was clipped to your feet, and
while you're having a fall in traffic.
-Tom

As far as mounting, put one foot in a clip & mount, then do a quick idle
& flip the second clip on. You'll get used to it with time. Sometimes
it takes a second try to get the second clip on, especially on the
Coker. The giraffes are the easiest, but in all cases remember to keep
the straps loose. My straps aren't missing (like a previous post), but
are open almost all the way.

And I thought I was the only one . .

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hell-on-wheel said:

*Any advice/comments from the other 1%ers? I think I saw toe clips on
one of Hopeful's unis. *

For years I rode with toe clips/straps. I found that they offered the
same advantages as you pointed out.

It was only after I started pushing myself for more speed that I
abandoned them. I had a couple of nasty UPDs and decided they weren't
worth it.

To freemount with clips is pretty easy. I think it's obvious that one
of your feet is already in the clip to start. Then you do a static
mount where the toes of your free foot sort of "grab" the edge of the
pedal and flip it around. Once you get than hang of it it will feel as
natural as freemounting in general. Occasionally I'd miss the clip and
have to try again on the next revolution. On rare occasions I'd ride
for some distance before I'd actually get the free foot in place. As
with all things the more you practice the easier it gets.

It's been at least two years since I've had clips on any of my unis.
Sometimes I think about putting some on my Coker but I've not yet done
so and I probably never will.

-mg

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cyberbellum:

Those egg beaters look like they'd be pretty good for unicycles. I had
thought about getting clipless pedals, but for now, $15 toe clips will
do.

mgrant and entertainer:

I'll practice the flip technique tonight. I'm on a 700c, so it'll
probably be easier than on a Coker.

johnfoss and cyberbellum:

My terminology may be wrong; is there a difference between cleated and
pinned pedals? I think when I said cleated I meant pinned.

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Tom Holub said:

* When I rode with SPD pedals...
*

Ah, well, there's your problem. I had SPDs for a a few years and never
liked them. Too fussy. You had to find the sweet spot to engage, then
press down with significant force to click them in. Once the cleat had
worn a bit it was a bear getting in. It usually took several attempts,
and once I was in it was tough getting out. I eventually threw them
away.

The eggbeaters, on the other hand, are effortless. I just ride away
knowing that as my feet shuffle around they'll eventually engage. After
50 yards if they don't engage I reposition my foot and "click", they're
in.

Also, note the eggbeaters I recommend have nice, big platforms. There
really isn't much penalty for not clipping in immediately. IMHO, the
risk is that you silently clip in, don't know it, and forget to unclip
when you try to dismount.

I wouldn't ever consider SPDs for a unicycle.

Tom Holub said:

* I think it's foolish to think you'd be able to
safely "tumble" your Coker while it was clipped to your feet...
*

Agreed, it would be tough to "tumble with the Coker clipped to [my]
feet," but my sense is that that would never, could never happen. I've
never had a crash where my feet stayed attached, even those slow-faling
low-siders on a bike. And in all but the sudden crash cases, I'd have
time to unclip and step off as usual. It's just another reflex that
can be trained. Unlike SPDs, the eggbeaters have almost no resistance
to unclipping.

That said, I'm still a long way away from confidently screwing a pair of
clipless pedals onto a unicycle and riding away. I figure I'll need at
least a full summer of riding to reduce my UPD frequency to less than
once per mile. When I can go for months with routine, UPD-free rides of
more than 10 miles I'll consider it, but not before. I'm not crazy.

Tim

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In article <[email hidden]>,
cyberbellum <[email hidden]> wrote:
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)Tom Holub wrote:
)> * When I rode with SPD pedals...
)> *
)
)
)Ah, well, there's your problem. I had SPDs for a a few years and never
)liked them. Too fussy. You had to find the sweet spot to engage, then
)press down with significant force to click them in. Once the cleat had
)worn a bit it was a bear getting in. It usually took several attempts,
)and once I was in it was tough getting out. I eventually threw them
)away.
)
)The eggbeaters, on the other hand, are effortless. I just ride away
)knowing that as my feet shuffle around they'll eventually engage. After
)50 yards if they don't engage I reposition my foot and "click", they're
)in.

I have a pair of eggbeaters on one of my bikes, and while I do like them
more than the SPDs, I do not think it would be significantly different
trying to engage them on a unicycle. You still have to get your cleat
positioned exactly correctly, and push it down in the proper way
without messing up your pedal stroke.
-Tom

hell-on-wheel said:

* My terminology may be wrong; is there a difference between cleated
and pinned pedals? *

Cleats are an old-school way to secure your feet to the pedals. The
only place you find them now is at velodromes. They are always used in
conjunction with toe clips and straps. They are typically rounded
blocks made from nylon, aluminum or other fairly light material with a
slot in the back that fits securely over the back part of a rat-trap
pedal. When the straps are tightened the cleats prevent fore-and-aft
movement of the shoe.

Track beasts use them because the penalty for coming off the pedal while
sprinting at 40 mph and 160+ rpm is severe. Many track sprinters,
myself included when I was younger, use two fiber-reinforced straps per
pedal to make SURE their feet never come off the pedals. (for the
record, despite the deep cleats and double Binda Extras my feet always
came off when I crashed at the track).

The newfangled "clipless" pedals also use cleats, however these aren't
nearly as solid. They are small bits of metal or plastic that bolt to
the bottoms of the shoes and engage mechanisms in the pedals. Some of
the kids like them but I don't think they'll ever really catch on. 🙂

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entertainer said:

*The giraffes are the easiest*

excuse me?!?
u ride a giraffe with toe-clips??!? mind if i ask why?entertainer wrote:*And I thought I was the only one .

Quoted message said:

. *

sweet feeling finding out u're not, isn't it?
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GILD said:

*excuse me?!?
u ride a giraffe with toe-clips??!? mind if i ask why? *

So he can 'jump rope on a giraffe' (http://tinyurl.com/ys5e5)

For pictures of the giraffe wiht toe clips see 'this thread'
(http://tinyurl.com/4q4m)

For pictures of a Coker with toe clips see 'this thread'
(http://tinyurl.com/29osm) :eek:

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hell-on-wheel said:

*The main reason I got them was that I was tired of constantly
readjusting my feet as they slowly slid down the pedals.

However, I find that (with road unicycling), 90% of my UPD's are
caused by nothing more than a foot slipping off the pedal.

*

What kind of unicycle are you riding, with what kind of hub and cranks
and platform pedals, in this scenario?

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hell-on-wheel said:

*...

The main reason I got them was that I was tired of constantly
readjusting my feet as they slowly slid down the pedals. ... *

Did you have plastic pedals or metal pedals with pins, like these:

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/?ProductID=5110000157

I've got these on most of my unis and my feet don't slip at all. In
fact if want to adjust my foot position I have to take all the weight
off that foot to do it.

Watch you shins if you UPD, though :eek:

HTH
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I recommend half clips - just like toe clips but designed for use
without straps.

They make mounting slightly awkward but your feet stay put where you
want them even over bumps.

I used them for years on 24s and 28s but I've got a psychological
barrier against putting them on my coker.

Zefal & GT make sets e.g. in the picture bottom right.

Leo White

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nickjb said:

*
I've got these on most of my unis and my feet don't slip at all. In
fact if want to adjust my foot position I have to take all the weight
off that foot to do it.
*

That's just the problem, they're super grippy without actually securing
your foot to the pedal. This sucks when you hit a tiny bump that
jostles your foot into an awkward position, then you can't get it back
without slowing down quite a bit. It's nice to have something over your
foot to keep it from flying off the pedal even a little bit. The roads
I ride on aren't especially bumpy, but unexpected bumps (UPB's) do
happen.

leow:

Those half clips look promising. Looks like they'd be easier to mount
than the full clips with straps I have. Safer too. If the ones I have
break (or if I break while using them) I may consider getting a pair of
those.

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still liking the toe clips?

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