Peleton time vs. stage winner

(cajunpaisley) said:

I understand that unless you are the out and out leader, you get the
same time as the rest of the pack. But what are the technicalities of
being in the pack? Separation of others, by how far? Watching the
Tour, I see groups clumped together and does each clump get it's own
time? What determines the times?
Thanks.
cajunpaisley

http://www.letour.fr/2004/us/reglement.html

This is a summary. The full race regs are in a .pdf file (Adobe Portable
Data Format) which your system may read or you may have to download the
..pdf file and read it with whatever .pdf reader you have available for
your system.

The UCI rules are also relevant.

http://www.uci.ch/english/about/rules_2004/ch02.pdf

which you will note is also a .pdf file

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Quoted message said:

I understand that unless you are the out and out leader, you get the
same time as the rest of the pack. But what are the technicalities of
being in the pack? Separation of others, by how far? Watching the
Tour, I see groups clumped together and does each clump get it's own
time? What determines the times?

pelOton

cajunpaisley said:

I understand that unless you are the out and out leader, you get the
same time as the rest of the pack. But what are the technicalities of
being in the pack? Separation of others, by how far? Watching the
Tour, I see groups clumped together and does each clump get it's own
time? What determines the times?

I read this week that the time separations/distances are adjudicated by
the race official of the day (a different one every day?), and it is up to
him to decide if there is actually a split between different groups.
Some are lenient, and allow 4 or 5 bikes(or more - was it stg.6 where
evryone had the same time,but some were out of the final 1km?) lengths
apart as still being in one bunch, others are more stringent, with a 2
bike lengths separation being enough to give a 1 second difference.
The times are recorded at the finish by transponders,either on the bike or
the rider - it wasnt clear, and the front rider of the relevant bunch
gives the rest of the bunch their time.The timing transponders are not
apparently used on every section - they are being trialled this year, for
possible use in future races, so the old way of timing must still be in
use as well (a man with a stop-watch?).
This was in an English newspaper, so may be wrong, but essentially it
sounds right to me.
Alan.

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2 seconds...

2 seconds and you are not inthe same time... bottom line... but the times are
relative to the leader of the group so if group A takes 5 seconds to cross and
the leader of group B is 2 seconds after the last wheel of group A then group B
finishes at 7 seconds- not 2 seconds... so thats why on the flat stages a field
split can cause a 20 to 30 sec time difference... it will take 10 or more
seconds for a decent size group to roll across and then you have 10 seconds of
time between the split and you end up with 20-30 second time differences in the
GC...

Pel*o*ton.
Thanks, I stand corrected.
Perry
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Quoted message said:

I understand that unless you are the out and out leader, you get the
same time as the rest of the pack. But what are the technicalities of
being in the pack? Separation of others, by how far? Watching the
Tour, I see groups clumped together and does each clump get it's own
time? What determines the times?

pelOton

On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:25:19 +0100, "A.Lee" <alan@darkroom.+.com>

Quoted message said:

cajunpaisley said:

I understand that unless you are the out and out leader, you get the
same time as the rest of the pack. But what are the technicalities of
being in the pack? Separation of others, by how far? Watching the
Tour, I see groups clumped together and does each clump get it's own
time? What determines the times?

I read this week that the time separations/distances are adjudicated by
the race official of the day (a different one every day?), and it is up to
him to decide if there is actually a split between different groups.
Some are lenient, and allow 4 or 5 bikes(or more - was it stg.6 where
evryone had the same time,but some were out of the final 1km?) lengths
apart as still being in one bunch, others are more stringent, with a 2
bike lengths separation being enough to give a 1 second difference.
The times are recorded at the finish by transponders,either on the bike or
the rider - it wasnt clear, and the front rider of the relevant bunch
gives the rest of the bunch their time.The timing transponders are not
apparently used on every section - they are being trialled this year, for
possible use in future races, so the old way of timing must still be in
use as well (a man with a stop-watch?).
This was in an English newspaper, so may be wrong, but essentially it
sounds right to me.
Alan.

The old system uses people watching rider numbers as they come across,
along with multiple cameras recording at different angles to catch the
action at the line. Transponders make much more sense to me, but I
can already hear the complaints: My battery failed, the signal must
have crossed with X's signal, etc.