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  1. I'm glad Americans are doing so well in the tour, however, I am disappointed
    this tour looks like it will be as boring as most have been in recent years
    (excluding last year which had some excitement).

    Here is what will happen:
    Lance and team will keep everything contained until the mountain stages. On
    the first or second day of the mountain stages, LA & Posties will set a high
    tempo. Tyler, Jan, Bobby, Levi, and a few errant Spanish riders will attack.
    LA will cover them and then either set such a high tempo no one else
    attacks, or launch an attack that takes 2-3 minutes out of closets
    competitors. From that time on, LA will simply follow the wheels of his
    competitors and win a sixth TDF. BORING!

  2. "Rude Dog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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  3. "Rude Dog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm glad Americans are doing so well in the tour, however, I am


    disappointed

    Quoted message said:

    this tour looks like it will be as boring as most have been in recent


    years

    Quoted message said:

    (excluding last year which had some excitement).

    Here is what will happen:
    Lance and team will keep everything contained until the mountain stages.


    On

    Quoted message said:

    the first or second day of the mountain stages, LA & Posties will set a


    high

    Quoted message said:

    tempo. Tyler, Jan, Bobby, Levi, and a few errant Spanish riders will


    attack.

    Quoted message said:

    LA will cover them and then either set such a high tempo no one else
    attacks, or launch an attack that takes 2-3 minutes out of closets
    competitors. From that time on, LA will simply follow the wheels of his
    competitors and win a sixth TDF. BORING!

    For those of us routing for Lance, it's pretty exciting. Try it ... or you
    could try the world poker championships as Jiyang suggested. At least I
    think that's what he suggested.

    Bob C.

  4. That's the way it was shaping up when Indurain got his ass handed to
    him after cracking up the hill.

    I still remember seeing that live in RAI... I was hopping up and down
    and yelling at the TV:-)

    --
    David N. Welton
    Personal: http://www.dedasys.com/davidw/
    Free Software: http://www.dedasys.com/freesoftware/
    Apache Tcl: http://tcl.apache.org/
    Photos: http://www.dedasys.com/photos/

  5. In article <[email hidden]>, Rude Dog

    Quoted message said:

    I'm glad Americans are doing so well in the tour, however, I am disappointed
    this tour looks like it will be as boring as most have been in recent years
    (excluding last year which had some excitement).

    Here is what will happen:
    Lance and team will keep everything contained until the mountain stages. On
    the first or second day of the mountain stages, LA & Posties will set a high
    tempo. Tyler, Jan, Bobby, Levi, and a few errant Spanish riders will attack.
    LA will cover them and then either set such a high tempo no one else
    attacks, or launch an attack that takes 2-3 minutes out of closets
    competitors. From that time on, LA will simply follow the wheels of his
    competitors and win a sixth TDF. BORING!

    Too bad you feel this way; I think you are very, very wrong. I'm a big
    LA fan and frankly hope it comes out the way you are suggesting but I
    would suggest that if you look at what is scheduled the last week of
    the tour, you might figure out that this race won't be decided until
    that week. A lot of folks are thinking Alp d'Huez will decide but my
    personal guess is that while the TT will break things up some, it will
    be DECIDED the day AFTER Alp d'Huez. At that point, the most fit and
    most prepared will win. Personally, I would not bet against LA and
    Postal but Ullrich and Hamilton are very, very strong and I'm not yet
    ready to count out Mayo and E-E or even Saeco. Mayo took a bad whack
    yesterday and today but if he takes 2 minutes out of Lance on Alp
    d'Huez like he did last month on the Ventoux, this is still a race.

    In the meantime, winning stages is important in its own right and there
    are great battles for jerseys other than yellow. While I, like most
    people, may be most interested in the GC, each day brings its own
    delights. If you find it boring, then don't watch but I think you are
    going to miss some interesting days ahead given to us by a whole field
    of GREAT cyclists.

    In this regard, those who feel they can only root for their favorite,
    whether that favorite be Armstrong, Hamilton, Ullrich, Mayo, or any of
    the other almost 200 riders, by calling the opponents scatological
    names and denigrating their honor prove to me nothing except they
    aren't really fans. For me, there isn't a man in this race who doesn't
    simply blow me away with what he can and will do on a bike whether it
    be Armstrong's day-in-day-out drive to win this race, Hamilton's
    extreme courage and perseverence as demonstrated in last years tour
    winning a stage with a broken collar bone, Ullrich's all round
    strength, Mayo's ability to climb, the sprinters sheer speed at the end
    of enormously long stages, the domestiques strength in coming out day
    after day to do work that I couldn't do for an hour much less three
    weeks, or those poor devils who crashed during the first stage and got
    back up and kept riding knowing that they had three weeks of pain in
    front of them and there weren't going to be any awards probably at any
    point.

    I'll cheer for each and every one of them and I will be excited when
    they succeed at whatever it is they succeed at whether it be Phonak
    putting in a great time with only five riders and after Hamilton had to
    actually STOP for a team mate, Noval dragging his butt in just under
    the DQ time so he can ride again tomorrow, Cancellera in tears of joy
    and disbelief after winning the Prologue and the yellow jersey, or
    Lance Armstrong (or anyone else who manages to beat him) riding down
    the Champs Elysees in victory. Who knows what joys and excitements
    this tour will bring but if you weren't excited last yaer at watching
    Hamilton climbing Bagargui last year even though he had virtually no
    chance of a podium or when Ullrich won the first individual TT last
    year while Lance more or less bonked , or by watching Petacchi's
    sprints, or watching the day Richard Virenque, a Frenchman, broke away
    and won the first mountain stage then you simply weren't paying
    attention.

    When I think of the big events of last year, the first year when I
    really got to see more of the Tour than a half hour on Sunday on CBS,
    very few of those events that stay in my mind had anything to do with
    the overall win; it was about superlative performances by superlative
    riders on superlative bikes who on any one particular day make me want
    to stand up and cheer. The same will be true this year right up until
    the final sprint in Paris; in the meantime, I think we still might see
    a very very good bike race for the GC if if LA is IMHO (you are free to
    disagree hopefully with respect) the class of the field in the Tour
    again this year. Whatever, it all brings joy to my heart.

    Sorry; here endeth the lesson.

    --
    James P. Spencer
    Rochester, MN

    "Badges?? We don't need no stinkin badges!"

  6. Very well said !! Go Armstrong !!
    "James Spencer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Rude Dog

    Quoted message said:

    I'm glad Americans are doing so well in the tour, however, I am


    disappointed

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    this tour looks like it will be as boring as most have been in recent


    years

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (excluding last year which had some excitement).

    Here is what will happen:
    Lance and team will keep everything contained until the mountain stages.


    On

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the first or second day of the mountain stages, LA & Posties will set a


    high

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    tempo. Tyler, Jan, Bobby, Levi, and a few errant Spanish riders will


    attack.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    LA will cover them and then either set such a high tempo no one else
    attacks, or launch an attack that takes 2-3 minutes out of closets
    competitors. From that time on, LA will simply follow the wheels of his
    competitors and win a sixth TDF. BORING!

    Too bad you feel this way; I think you are very, very wrong. I'm a big
    LA fan and frankly hope it comes out the way you are suggesting but I
    would suggest that if you look at what is scheduled the last week of
    the tour, you might figure out that this race won't be decided until
    that week. A lot of folks are thinking Alp d'Huez will decide but my
    personal guess is that while the TT will break things up some, it will
    be DECIDED the day AFTER Alp d'Huez. At that point, the most fit and
    most prepared will win. Personally, I would not bet against LA and
    Postal but Ullrich and Hamilton are very, very strong and I'm not yet
    ready to count out Mayo and E-E or even Saeco. Mayo took a bad whack
    yesterday and today but if he takes 2 minutes out of Lance on Alp
    d'Huez like he did last month on the Ventoux, this is still a race.

    In the meantime, winning stages is important in its own right and there
    are great battles for jerseys other than yellow. While I, like most
    people, may be most interested in the GC, each day brings its own
    delights. If you find it boring, then don't watch but I think you are
    going to miss some interesting days ahead given to us by a whole field
    of GREAT cyclists.

    In this regard, those who feel they can only root for their favorite,
    whether that favorite be Armstrong, Hamilton, Ullrich, Mayo, or any of
    the other almost 200 riders, by calling the opponents scatological
    names and denigrating their honor prove to me nothing except they
    aren't really fans. For me, there isn't a man in this race who doesn't
    simply blow me away with what he can and will do on a bike whether it
    be Armstrong's day-in-day-out drive to win this race, Hamilton's
    extreme courage and perseverence as demonstrated in last years tour
    winning a stage with a broken collar bone, Ullrich's all round
    strength, Mayo's ability to climb, the sprinters sheer speed at the end
    of enormously long stages, the domestiques strength in coming out day
    after day to do work that I couldn't do for an hour much less three
    weeks, or those poor devils who crashed during the first stage and got
    back up and kept riding knowing that they had three weeks of pain in
    front of them and there weren't going to be any awards probably at any
    point.

    I'll cheer for each and every one of them and I will be excited when
    they succeed at whatever it is they succeed at whether it be Phonak
    putting in a great time with only five riders and after Hamilton had to
    actually STOP for a team mate, Noval dragging his butt in just under
    the DQ time so he can ride again tomorrow, Cancellera in tears of joy
    and disbelief after winning the Prologue and the yellow jersey, or
    Lance Armstrong (or anyone else who manages to beat him) riding down
    the Champs Elysees in victory. Who knows what joys and excitements
    this tour will bring but if you weren't excited last yaer at watching
    Hamilton climbing Bagargui last year even though he had virtually no
    chance of a podium or when Ullrich won the first individual TT last
    year while Lance more or less bonked , or by watching Petacchi's
    sprints, or watching the day Richard Virenque, a Frenchman, broke away
    and won the first mountain stage then you simply weren't paying
    attention.

    When I think of the big events of last year, the first year when I
    really got to see more of the Tour than a half hour on Sunday on CBS,
    very few of those events that stay in my mind had anything to do with
    the overall win; it was about superlative performances by superlative
    riders on superlative bikes who on any one particular day make me want
    to stand up and cheer. The same will be true this year right up until
    the final sprint in Paris; in the meantime, I think we still might see
    a very very good bike race for the GC if if LA is IMHO (you are free to
    disagree hopefully with respect) the class of the field in the Tour
    again this year. Whatever, it all brings joy to my heart.

    Sorry; here endeth the lesson.

    --
    James P. Spencer
    Rochester, MN

    "Badges?? We don't need no stinkin badges!"

  7. "Rude Dog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm glad Americans are doing so well in the tour, however, I am


    disappointed

    Quoted message said:

    this tour looks like it will be as boring as most have been in recent


    years

    Quoted message said:

    (excluding last year which had some excitement).

    You know it wouldn't be half so boring if you understood the sport at all.

  8. Rude Dog said:

    I'm glad Americans are doing so well in the tour, however, I am disappointed
    this tour looks like it will be as boring as most have been in recent years
    (excluding last year which had some excitement).

    Here is what will happen:
    Lance and team will keep everything contained until the mountain stages. On
    the first or second day of the mountain stages, LA & Posties will set a high
    tempo. Tyler, Jan, Bobby, Levi, and a few errant Spanish riders will attack.
    LA will cover them and then either set such a high tempo no one else
    attacks, or launch an attack that takes 2-3 minutes out of closets
    competitors. From that time on, LA will simply follow the wheels of his
    competitors and win a sixth TDF. BORING!

    Its called DOMINATION!

  9. "James Spencer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Rude Dog

    Quoted message said:

    I'm glad Americans are doing so well in the tour, however, I am


    disappointed

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    this tour looks like it will be as boring as most have been in recent


    years

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (excluding last year which had some excitement).

    Here is what will happen:
    Lance and team will keep everything contained until the mountain stages.


    On

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the first or second day of the mountain stages, LA & Posties will set a


    high

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    tempo. Tyler, Jan, Bobby, Levi, and a few errant Spanish riders will


    attack.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    LA will cover them and then either set such a high tempo no one else
    attacks, or launch an attack that takes 2-3 minutes out of closets
    competitors. From that time on, LA will simply follow the wheels of his
    competitors and win a sixth TDF. BORING!

    Too bad you feel this way; I think you are very, very wrong. I'm a big
    LA fan and frankly hope it comes out the way you are suggesting but I
    would suggest that if you look at what is scheduled the last week of
    the tour, you might figure out that this race won't be decided until
    that week. A lot of folks are thinking Alp d'Huez will decide but my
    personal guess is that while the TT will break things up some, it will
    be DECIDED the day AFTER Alp d'Huez. At that point, the most fit and
    most prepared will win. Personally, I would not bet against LA and
    Postal but Ullrich and Hamilton are very, very strong and I'm not yet
    ready to count out Mayo and E-E or even Saeco. Mayo took a bad whack
    yesterday and today but if he takes 2 minutes out of Lance on Alp
    d'Huez like he did last month on the Ventoux, this is still a race.

    I've been thinking the same thing, that it'll be the same predictable
    Lanceathon. My SO said,"It's like the same soap opera every day" and I said,
    "But soaps are different every day- there never any repeats!" It's like
    everything USPS does is so PERFECT... but they do the same thing all the
    time, I keep hoping something will happen to break up their juggernaut.
    ALready though, poor Mayo is out of the GC race. He'll have to get stage
    wins or KOM points. But he'll survive and come back and do another tour,
    he's pretty young.

  10. Rude Dog said:

    I'm glad Americans are doing so well in the tour, however, I am disappointed
    this tour looks like it will be as boring as most have been in recent years
    (excluding last year which had some excitement).

    Here is what will happen:
    Lance and team will keep everything contained until the mountain stages. On
    the first or second day of the mountain stages, LA & Posties will set a high
    tempo. Tyler, Jan, Bobby, Levi, and a few errant Spanish riders will attack.
    LA will cover them and then either set such a high tempo no one else
    attacks, or launch an attack that takes 2-3 minutes out of closets
    competitors. From that time on, LA will simply follow the wheels of his
    competitors and win a sixth TDF. BORING!

    Maybe someone will reach over and bump Lance's rear brake pad.

    --
    --
    Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall
    "We should not march into Baghdad. ... Assigning young soldiers to
    a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning
    them to fight in what would be an unwinnable urban guerilla war, it
    could only plunge that part of the world into ever greater
    instability." George Bush Sr. in his 1998 book "A World Transformed"

  11. Rude Dog said:

    I'm glad Americans are doing so well in the tour, however, I am disappointed
    this tour looks like it will be as boring as most have been in recent years
    (excluding last year which had some excitement).

    Here is what will happen:
    Lance and team will keep everything contained until the mountain stages. On
    the first or second day of the mountain stages, LA & Posties will set a high
    tempo. Tyler, Jan, Bobby, Levi, and a few errant Spanish riders will attack.
    LA will cover them and then either set such a high tempo no one else
    attacks, or launch an attack that takes 2-3 minutes out of closets
    competitors. From that time on, LA will simply follow the wheels of his
    competitors and win a sixth TDF. BORING!

    To be precise, the second day, Plateau de Beille. Lance will have ~5
    minutes after stage 13. No opponent will be permitted to close within 3
    minutes after that.

    Then again, I could be wrong.

    --
    --
    Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall
    "We should not march into Baghdad. ... Assigning young soldiers to
    a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning
    them to fight in what would be an unwinnable urban guerilla war, it
    could only plunge that part of the world into ever greater
    instability." George Bush Sr. in his 1998 book "A World Transformed"

  12. James Spencer said:


    Too bad you feel this way; I think you are very, very wrong.


    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    Whatever, it all brings joy to my heart.

    Sorry; here endeth the lesson.

    Too bad you couldn't have taken the time to explain why you like
    watching the tour.

    Just kidding! Very well said. And in any case, the tour is far from
    over. Lance is putting his stamp on it already and, as an avowed fan,
    that is exciting to watch. But anything can happen.

    Thanks for the reminder of how much fun watching the previous year's
    race was.

    --
    Hank Barta
    beautiful sunny Winfield, Illinois

  13. "psycholist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Rude Dog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm glad Americans are doing so well in the tour, however, I am


    disappointed

    Quoted message said:

    this tour looks like it will be as boring as most have been in recent


    years

    Quoted message said:

    (excluding last year which had some excitement).

    Here is what will happen:
    Lance and team will keep everything contained until the mountain stages.


    On

    Quoted message said:

    the first or second day of the mountain stages, LA & Posties will set a


    high

    Quoted message said:

    tempo. Tyler, Jan, Bobby, Levi, and a few errant Spanish riders will


    attack.

    Quoted message said:

    LA will cover them and then either set such a high tempo no one else
    attacks, or launch an attack that takes 2-3 minutes out of closets
    competitors. From that time on, LA will simply follow the wheels of his
    competitors and win a sixth TDF. BORING!

    For those of us routing for Lance, it's pretty exciting. Try it ... or


    you

    Quoted message said:

    could try the world poker championships as Jiyang suggested. At least I
    think that's what he suggested.

    Bob C.

    I'm all for Lance but the Dog is correct. It is boring. What the hell is
    up with Ullrich? Damn. He's not lost it, but he does have his work cut out
    for him... Maybe by Lance's tenth TdF he will be weak enough to provide us
    with some three weeks of fine bicycle racing entertainment!

  14. Tom you are such a ignoramus...

    you think anyone with a dissenting opinion doesn't understand the sport. I
    understand the sport very well having ridden on a professional team as a Cat
    1 and having promoted over 200 races, I am qualified to make an observation
    that this tour will likely be boring.

    "Tom Kunich" > You know it wouldn't be half so boring if you understood the
    sport at all.<

  15. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm glad Americans are doing so well in the tour, however, I am disappointed
    this tour looks like it will be as boring as most have been in recent years
    (excluding last year which had some excitement).
    Here is what will happen:
    Lance and team will keep everything contained until the mountain stages. On
    the first or second day of the mountain stages, LA & Posties will set a high
    tempo. Tyler, Jan, Bobby, Levi, and a few errant Spanish riders will attack.
    LA will cover them and then either set such a high tempo no one else
    attacks, or launch an attack that takes 2-3 minutes out of closets
    competitors. From that time on, LA will simply follow the wheels of his
    competitors and win a sixth TDF. BORING!

    That is one possible scenario. But who knows what will actually happen.
    -------------
    Alex

  16. "Rude Dog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm glad Americans are doing so well in the tour, however, I am disappointed
    this tour looks like it will be as boring as most have been in recent years
    (excluding last year which had some excitement).

    Here is what will happen:
    Lance and team will keep everything contained until the mountain stages. On
    the first or second day of the mountain stages, LA & Posties will set a high
    tempo. Tyler, Jan, Bobby, Levi, and a few errant Spanish riders will attack.
    LA will cover them and then either set such a high tempo no one else
    attacks, or launch an attack that takes 2-3 minutes out of closets
    competitors. From that time on, LA will simply follow the wheels of his
    competitors and win a sixth TDF. BORING!

    Maybe that's what you expect to happen, but you're a fool to think
    that's the only way it can go down.

    Shame on you for thinking the world's greatest spectacle in sport is
    some predetermined slog around France! AND you were a professional
    racer? Inexcusable!

    Roland

  17. "Rude Dog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Tom you are such a ignoramus...
    you think anyone with a dissenting opinion doesn't understand the sport. I
    understand the sport very well having ridden on a professional team as a Cat
    1 and having promoted over 200 races, I am qualified to make an observation
    that this tour will likely be boring.

    SN Junior, So why the juvenile "Rude Dog" sobriquet?
    Too afraid to use your real name?

    Tour 2004 is freaking FAR from boring.
    Do you get OLN? Ever raced in super windy and wet conditions Junior?

    -Ken

    Quoted message said:

    "Tom Kunich" > You know it wouldn't be half so boring if you understood the
    sport at all.<

  18. "Rude Dog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm glad Americans are doing so well in the tour, however, I am disappointed
    this tour looks like it will be as boring as most have been in recent years

    no [censored] dumbass, that's why the real fans only get fired up for the classics.

  19. Uhhh... my name is Rude. I am Native American, the "dog" part is a
    nickname.

    However, I do stand corrected...
    The Tour De France GC RACE IS BORING!

    The stage yesterday was very exciting!

    Rude

  20. "Rude Dog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Uhhh... my name is Rude. I am Native American, the "dog" part is a
    nickname.

    However, I do stand corrected...
    The Tour De France GC RACE IS BORING!
    The stage yesterday was very exciting!

    Well at least that's good to hear.

    Quoted message said:


    Rude

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