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"One of the two authors concedes that there is no smoking gun in the
extract or in the full book to prove that Armstrong, a 32-year-old Texan,
engaged in doping.
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"'It's all circumstantial evidence,' David Walsh, an Irish sportswriter
for The Sunday Times of London, said in a telephone interview from
Portugal, where he is covering the Euro 2004 soccer tournament. His
co-author is Pierre Ballester, a Frenchman who formerly reported for
L'Equipe, the daily sports newspaper.
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"'We don't actually prove anything,' Walsh said. 'We just set out the
facts and let the reader decide for himself who's telling the truth. But
we do give names for every accusation.'"

There are a significant number of people sitting in prisons who could tell
us about the effects of circumstantial evidence.

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"One of the two authors concedes that there is no smoking gun in the
extract or in the full book to prove that Armstrong, a 32-year-old
Texan, engaged in doping.
.
"'It's all circumstantial evidence,' David Walsh, an Irish
sportswriter for The Sunday Times of London, said in a telephone
interview from Portugal, where he is covering the Euro 2004 soccer
tournament. His co-author is Pierre Ballester, a Frenchman who
formerly reported for L'Equipe, the daily sports newspaper.
.
"'We don't actually prove anything,' Walsh said. 'We just set out the
facts and let the reader decide for himself who's telling the truth.
But we do give names for every accusation.'"

There are a significant number of people sitting in prisons who could
tell us about the effects of circumstantial evidence.

O.J. doesn't happen to be one of them.

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"One of the two authors concedes that there is no smoking gun in the
extract or in the full book to prove that Armstrong, a 32-year-old
Texan, engaged in doping.
.
"'It's all circumstantial evidence,' David Walsh, an Irish
sportswriter for The Sunday Times of London, said in a telephone
interview from Portugal, where he is covering the Euro 2004 soccer
tournament. His co-author is Pierre Ballester, a Frenchman who
formerly reported for L'Equipe, the daily sports newspaper.
.
"'We don't actually prove anything,' Walsh said. 'We just set out the
facts and let the reader decide for himself who's telling the truth.
But we do give names for every accusation.'"

There are a significant number of people sitting in prisons who could
tell us about the effects of circumstantial evidence.

O.J. doesn't happen to be one of them.

True. Although he was found guilty of wrongful death in a civil action;
circumstantial but a different level of proof to convict.

"the juice" gives the families of the people he murdered $1000 per year
based on the $30+ million settlement that they won in civil court. yet they
can not touch his $20,000+ per month pension given to him by the NFL.
something is not right here and the court look into how simpson is stiffing
the families of the 2 people that he murdered.
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> http://www.iht.com/articles/524790.html
>
> "One of the two authors concedes that there is no smoking gun in the
> extract or in the full book to prove that Armstrong, a 32-year-old
> Texan, engaged in doping.
> .
> "'It's all circumstantial evidence,' David Walsh, an Irish
> sportswriter for The Sunday Times of London, said in a telephone
> interview from Portugal, where he is covering the Euro 2004 soccer
> tournament. His co-author is Pierre Ballester, a Frenchman who
> formerly reported for L'Equipe, the daily sports newspaper.
> .
> "'We don't actually prove anything,' Walsh said. 'We just set out the
> facts and let the reader decide for himself who's telling the truth.
> But we do give names for every accusation.'"

There are a significant number of people sitting in prisons who could
tell us about the effects of circumstantial evidence.

O.J. doesn't happen to be one of them.

True. Although he was found guilty of wrongful death in a civil action;
circumstantial but a different level of proof to convict.

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"One of the two authors concedes that there is no smoking gun in the
extract or in the full book to prove that Armstrong, a 32-year-old Texan,
engaged in doping.
.
"'It's all circumstantial evidence,' David Walsh, an Irish sportswriter
for The Sunday Times of London, said in a telephone interview from
Portugal, where he is covering the Euro 2004 soccer tournament. His
co-author is Pierre Ballester, a Frenchman who formerly reported for
L'Equipe, the daily sports newspaper.
.
"'We don't actually prove anything,' Walsh said. 'We just set out the
facts and let the reader decide for himself who's telling the truth. But
we do give names for every accusation.'"

What facts? Allegations only from what has been posted.

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"'We don't actually prove anything,' Walsh said. 'We just set out the
facts and let the reader decide for himself who's telling the truth. But
we do give names for every accusation.'"

Interesting. This is exactly the same thing Art Bell and George Noory say
when asked why they interview people who have been abducted by aliens or
talk about re-incarnation.

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"One of the two authors concedes that there is no smoking gun in the
extract or in the full book to prove that Armstrong, a 32-year-old Texan,
engaged in doping.
.
"'It's all circumstantial evidence,' David Walsh, an Irish sportswriter
for The Sunday Times of London, said in a telephone interview from
Portugal, where he is covering the Euro 2004 soccer tournament. His
co-author is Pierre Ballester, a Frenchman who formerly reported for
L'Equipe, the daily sports newspaper.
.
"'We don't actually prove anything,' Walsh said. 'We just set out the
facts

[allegations]

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and let the reader decide for himself who's telling the truth. But
we do give names for every accusation.'"

In a not terribly altruistic attempt to make a buck.

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From: Richard Adams

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"'We don't actually prove anything,' Walsh said. 'We just set out the
facts

[allegations]

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and let the reader decide for himself who's telling the truth. But
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(Mr. Adams noted):

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In a not terribly altruistic attempt to make >a buck.

That and see if they can keep Lance from winning # 6. Note the timing, that's
obviously the real game here, noting the alleged offences happened years ago.
This book could have been released at another time.

So, are the business dealings between authors and accusers made obvious, or
should we just draw our own conclusions? IOW, how have Swart and O'Reilly been
doing in the personal income area of life? Is this in the "tell all" book, too?

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"'We don't actually prove anything,' Walsh said. 'We just set out the
facts.

"But what the hell, let's get the [censored] bucket and brush out right before the
Tour, maybe we can get him by innuendo since we don't have any positive tests".

Much better translation than that babel stuff from the French article (no notes
or recorders and at least one translation into a foreign language and another
from French back to English. But 1000% accurate, no doubt.)

Another aspect of the timing: Walsh is attacking not only Armstrong but the
Tour as well. Two scalps for his journalistic belt. Lots of motivation there.
--TP

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"'We don't actually prove anything,' Walsh said. 'We just set out the
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[allegations]

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and let the reader decide for himself who's telling the truth. But
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In a not terribly altruistic attempt to make >a buck.

That and see if they can keep Lance from winning # 6. Note the timing,

that's

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obviously the real game here, noting the alleged offences happened years

ago.

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This book could have been released at another time.

No, it couldn't. It hardly ever happens in Europa that a book on cycling in
Europa is not released one or two month before the Tour. That's the only
time of the year book stores are willing to order them.

Benjo Maso

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> http://www.iht.com/articles/524790.html
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> "One of the two authors concedes that there is no smoking gun in the
> extract or in the full book to prove that Armstrong, a 32-year-old
> Texan, engaged in doping.
> .
> "'It's all circumstantial evidence,' David Walsh, an Irish
> sportswriter for The Sunday Times of London, said in a telephone
> interview from Portugal, where he is covering the Euro 2004 soccer
> tournament. His co-author is Pierre Ballester, a Frenchman who
> formerly reported for L'Equipe, the daily sports newspaper.
> .
> "'We don't actually prove anything,' Walsh said. 'We just set out the
> facts and let the reader decide for himself who's telling the truth.
> But we do give names for every accusation.'"

There are a significant number of people sitting in prisons who could
tell us about the effects of circumstantial evidence.

O.J. doesn't happen to be one of them.

True. Although he was found guilty of wrongful death in a civil action;
circumstantial but a different level of proof to convict.

Right, and you use the incorrect word, "convict". I know you are aware of
this, but a victory in civil court is not a "conviction".

This is a great time to point out that there are many standards of proof and
the standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt" only applies to criminal courts
while "a preponderance of evidence" is enough of tort victory (civil
courts). I am going to state that I doubt anyone could win against Armstrong
by either standard based on the evidence that I have seen. Still, the
standard each of us has fore our own beliefs has nothing to do with those
standards that I just mentioned. I would say there is enough evidence for
anyone to call Lance's integrity in to question. That seems to me to be what
the book is doing. Yes, it is sleazy but let the public decide. I bet the
book will come out in its current form after some initial delays. All of the
legal wrangling will be (and is already I suppose) excellent publicity for
the publisher.

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"the juice" gives the families of the people he murdered $1000 per year
based on the $30+ million settlement that they won in civil court. yet

they

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can not touch his $20,000+ per month pension given to him by the NFL.
something is not right here and the court look into how simpson is

stiffing

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the families of the 2 people that he murdered.

OK, so what would you change? I am happy they were able to get any award at
all. So many victims seem to assume that the criminal courts are the only
way to get at a crook. I hope more victims start using the civil courts to
go after the scum bags that stay out of jail by virtue of their "dream team"
lawyers.

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>> extract or in the full book to prove that Armstrong, a 32-year-old
>> Texan, engaged in doping.
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>> "'It's all circumstantial evidence,' David Walsh, an Irish
>> sportswriter for The Sunday Times of London, said in a telephone
>> interview from Portugal, where he is covering the Euro 2004 soccer
>> tournament. His co-author is Pierre Ballester, a Frenchman who
>> formerly reported for L'Equipe, the daily sports newspaper.
>> .
>> "'We don't actually prove anything,' Walsh said. 'We just set out

the

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truth.

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> tell us about the effects of circumstantial evidence.

O.J. doesn't happen to be one of them.

True. Although he was found guilty of wrongful death in a civil action;
circumstantial but a different level of proof to convict.

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"One of the two authors concedes that there is no smoking gun in the
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Texan,

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engaged in doping.
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"'It's all circumstantial evidence,' David Walsh, an Irish sportswriter
for The Sunday Times of London, said in a telephone interview from
Portugal, where he is covering the Euro 2004 soccer tournament. His
co-author is Pierre Ballester, a Frenchman who formerly reported for
L'Equipe, the daily sports newspaper.
.
"'We don't actually prove anything,' Walsh said. 'We just set out the
facts and let the reader decide for himself who's telling the truth. But
we do give names for every accusation.'"

What facts? Allegations only from what has been posted.

There are also "facts" (his relationship with Ferrari is a fact, and the
substance of the relationship is not known, but the basis of allegations).
There are other "facts" and allegations the flow from them. There are no
conclusive facts, and maybe that is what you meant to say.

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This book could have been released at another time.

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No, it couldn't. It hardly ever happens in Europa that a book on cycling in
Europa is not released one or two month before the Tour. That's the only
time of the year book stores are willing to >order them.

I respecfully say that this is a "scandal" book, coincidentally about cycling,
which would have sold to its public no matter what time of the year it was
released. The question is how long the book has been prepared, relating to the
time elapsed since O'Reilly and Swart spoke with the authors. I'm guessing they
didn't exactly rush to press; that the timing is deliberate. Hoping that is
part of the "tell all". --TP

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No, it couldn't. It hardly ever happens in Europa that a book on cycling

in

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Europa is not released one or two month before the Tour. That's the only
time of the year book stores are willing to order them.

Benjo Maso

I was tempted to state the obvious, also, but you beat me to it !
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Bonne route,

Sandy
Paris FR

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This book could have been released at another time.

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No, it couldn't. It hardly ever happens in Europa that a book on cycling

in

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Europa is not released one or two month before the Tour. That's the only
time of the year book stores are willing to >order them.

I respecfully say that this is a "scandal" book, coincidentally about

cycling,

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which would have sold to its public no matter what time of the year it was
released.

Perhaps, but book store keepers just dont' believe it. They want books on
cycling in june and july so that they make a nice display, and not before,
nor after. For instance, the book on Anquetil's love life is a "scandal
book" as well, but of course it wasn't released before May. That's the way
it's going.

The question is how long the book has been prepared, relating to the

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time elapsed since O'Reilly and Swart spoke with the authors.

Completely irrelevant. Since the editor wouldn't have released the book
before may or june, there wouldn't have been any reason for the writers to
finish it month before.

I'm guessing they

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didn't exactly rush to press; that the timing is deliberate. Hoping that

is

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part of the "tell all".

I admit that conspiracy theories are always much more attractive than
prosaic business considerations.

Benjo Maso

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> This book could have been released at another time.

(Benjo Maso replied):

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No, it couldn't. It hardly ever happens in Europa that a book on
cycling in Europa is not released one or two month before the Tour.
That's the only time of the year book stores are willing to >order
them.

I respecfully say that this is a "scandal" book, coincidentally
about cycling, which would have sold to its public no matter what
time of the year it was released.

Perhaps, but book store keepers just dont' believe it. They want
books on cycling in june and july so that they make a nice display,
and not before, nor after. For instance, the book on Anquetil's love
life is a "scandal book" as well, but of course it wasn't released
before May. That's the way it's going.

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Benjo Maso

There's also Baal's book which just came out.

'Tis the season.

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There's also Baal's book which just came out.
'Tis the season.

But does it make one merry?

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From: "benjo maso"

(snipping, accurately):

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but book store keepers just dont' believe it. They want books on
cycling in june and july so that they make a nice display, and not before,
nor after.

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Since the editor wouldn't have released the book
before may or june, there wouldn't have been any reason for the writers to
finish it month before.

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I admit that conspiracy theories are always much more attractive than
prosaic business considerations.

It would seem that conspiracy to time store arrival is in service of prosaic
business considerations here. <g, please>

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For instance, the book on Anquetil's love life is a "scandal
book" as well, but of course it wasn't >released before May.

Ankle who? (apologies) The point being that Lance has fame far, far greater
than JA. Anything of a sensational nature concerning LA (such as a divorce, for
instance) is "news". Walsh apparently chose to sit on this story, pending a
powerful moment to release it. Neither Lance nor LeBlanc got with the
totalitarian anti-drug program, Walsh is gunning for them big time. Just an
opinion, of course. --TP

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Anything of a sensational nature concerning LA (such as a divorce, for
instance) is "news". Walsh apparently chose to sit on this story, pending a
powerful moment to release it. Neither Lance nor LeBlanc got with the
totalitarian anti-drug program, Walsh is gunning for them big time. Just an
opinion, of course. --TP

And looking to rake in a chunk that giant pile of cash that Tabloid journalism
creates. Doesn't have to be accurate as long as they can manage to avoid losing
the lawsuits by whatever loophole and tiny margin it takes. The balancing act
is to be a sleazy and sensational as possible without going over the edge.
These clowns are experts at it and make huge piles of cash off the idiots who
read it. So they lose a suit once in a while. Cost of doing business.
Tabloid journalistic integrity is an oxymoron.
Bill C