Emma Speaks

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From L'Express

La confession d'Emma

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Brian,

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Bob C.

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Originally posted by Psycholist Brian,

It looks like we're all waiting on a translator.

Bob C.

I tried to make out some of it, but all I could gather is something
about Armstrong handing out Rolex watches to people.

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Originally posted by Psycholist Brian,

It looks like we're all waiting on a translator.

Bob C.

I tried to make out some of it, but all I could gather is something
about Armstrong handing out Rolex watches to people.

There's a bit more than that. ;-)

Cycling: Drug claim tarnishes golden reputation

15.06.2004 New Zealand Herald

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sports/sportsstorydisplay.cfm?storyID=3572615&thesection=sport&thesubsection=othersports&thesecondsubsection=general

American cycling star Lance Armstrong took banned
performance-enhancing
drugs, says a new book.

The five-time Tour de France winner, who next month will try to become
the
first person to win six victories, could see his plans to write his
name in
sports record books disrupted by fall-out from the book.

Titled L.A. Confidential - The Secrets of Lance Armstrong, it was
co-written
by award-winning Sunday Times journalist David Walsh and Pierre
Ballester, a
cycling specialist formerly with the French sporting publication
L'Equipe.

The 33-year-old Armstrong, an inspiration to millions of people since
recovering from cancer in 1998, continues to strenuously deny that he
has
ever taken performance- enhancing drugs.

But New Zealand cyclist Stephen Swart has backed claims that Armstrong
has
been involved in doping.

Swart, who rode with Armstrong in the Motorola team in 1994 and 1995,
admits
that he, Armstrong and other members of team took banned substances,
including the blood-boosting product erythropoietin (EPO), after
Motorola
sent the cycling team to Europe in 1994.

Swart, who retired nine years ago, told the authors that he succumbed
to
doping because of pressure from the team.

"Motorola was throwing all this money at the team and we had to come
up
trumps," he is quoted as saying in the book.

Armstrong, who dates rock star Sheryl Crowe, has won the Tour de
France
every year since 1999 and has motivated thousands of people - cyclists
and
cancer sufferers.

But at the Tour de France in 1999 he failed a test for the
corticosteroid
triamcinolone - a banned substance found in some medicines and creams
-
although cycling's ruling body, the International Cycling Union (UCI),
did
not punish him.

However, claims by a former physiotherapist with the US Postal team,
Irishwoman Emma O'Reilly, that Armstrong used EPO threaten to take the
shine
off the American's glittering reputation.

O'Reilly worked with Armstrong for three and a half years from 1998
and was
in almost constant contact with his close-knit team. She kept a diary.

She reveals how, among other dubious tasks, she was asked by Armstrong
to
dispose of bags containing syringes after the Tour of Holland in 1998,
only
months after the Festina drugs scandal at the Tour de France almost
brought
the race to its knees.

O'Reilly also says that in May 1999, while Armstrong was at a training
camp
in the Pyrenees, she was asked to drive to Spain to collect drugs
which she
brought back into France and handed to Armstrong at a rendezvous in a
car
park.

The book could force Armstrong to answer questions about a rumoured
drugs
admission to doctors treating him for testicular cancer in October
1996,
according to an article in the Sunday Times.

If true, the book's revelations could blow a hole in the career of
Armstrong, who thanks to numerous endorsements with multinational
companies
now earns around $US16 million ($25.7 million).

Armstrong has always strenuously denied taking performance- enhancing
drugs
and has even issued co-author Walsh - the Sunday Times' chief sports
reporter - with a letter saying he faces a costly legal battle if the
book
alleges that he resorted to doping.

But it is not the first time the American has been in the doping
spotlight.
Days before the start of the Tour in 2001, Walsh revealed that
Armstrong had
had close links with a notorious Italian doctor, Michele Ferrari.

Ferrari was formerly the team doctor to the Gewiss-Ballan team, which
he was
forced to leave after he infamously claimed that EPO, if used
properly, was
no more harmful than orange juice.

The Italian has since been a target of Italian magistrates
investigating the
shady world of doping.

Armstrong, who it was alleged made several consultation trips to see
Ferrari
in Italy, said he had consulted the doctor only on advanced training
methods
with a view to trying to break the world hour record - which he has
yet to
attempt.

Although a test for EPO exists, the drug is still believed to be
rampant
among riders, as it can be detected only if it has been taken within
three
days of the test.

Blood booster

EPO, or erythropoietin, is a banned performance-enhancer which
thickens the
blood and raises its capacity to carry oxygen. The drug was at the
centre of
the notorious 1998 Tour de France doping scandal and is believed to
have
been used by cheats in endurance sports for at least 10 years.

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From L'Express

La confession d'Emma

par Jérôme Dupuis

«Le programme médical»

Emma O'Reilly a rencontré pour la première fois l'un des auteurs le 23

juin

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2003, dans sa maison du Cheshire, dans le nord de l'Angleterre. Sans
magnétophone ni carnets. Juste une longue discussion sur ses cinq ans

passés

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au sein de l'équipe, sur le cyclisme professionnel et les secrets de l'US
Postal. [...] «J'étais juste une Irlandaise diplômée en électricité,
reconvertie dans le massage et qui, engagée par une équipe cycliste, avait
fini par travailler directement avec Lance Armstrong quand il avait gagné
son premier Tour de France.» [...] Emma a apprécié ses trois premières
années et demie, mais sachant ce qu'elle sait, elle ne peut plus affirmer
que le cyclisme est admirable. [...] Elle a tout vu, mais, comme les

autres,

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elle a obéi à l'omerta. Maintenant, elle est prête à briser la loi du
silence.

[...] L'ironie du sort, c'est qu'Emma O'Reilly aimait beaucoup Lance
Armstrong. [...] La première année [1998], Armstrong se méfie de Johnny
Weltz, le directeur sportif, et c'est à elle qu'il se confie. Elle

apprécie

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sa force de caractère; il affronte les problèmes, sait décider. Ambitieux,
il n'a pas peur d'entraîner l'équipe dans la direction qu'il estime être

la

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bonne, ne négligeant aucun détail. C'est lui qui impose par exemple que

les

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céréales soient bannies du petit déjeuner. «Regardez-moi ça, dit-il un

jour

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en pointant du doigt les barres de muesli. Tu sais combien de calories il

y

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a là dedans? Ce truc tient avec du sucre. Ça ne va pas.» Et le muesli
disparaît de la table de l'équipe.

Elle le trouve drôle. Son humour est parfois absurde, mais il lui plaît.
Elle apprécie aussi qu'il se moque, comme elle, du politiquement correct,

la

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surpassant même dans ce domaine. Elle aime son côté obtus: je vous dis ce
que je vais faire, et je le fais. Par exemple, il a gardé une dent contre
les équipes européennes qui ont refusé de l'engager après son cancer et il
tient à le leur faire payer. Et Emma pense: «Eh bien, Lance, tu leur

montres

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ce que tu sais faire, tu leur fais payer.» [...]

Le Ritz et la Rolex

Quiconque a suivi le Tour de France 1999 ne peut oublier la performance
d'Armstrong. Non content d'avoir gagné le prologue, il prend la tête de la
course après une victoire éblouissante dans le premier contre- la-montre à
Metz, et surpasse ses rivaux dans la montagne. Le 14 juillet, il se livre

à

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une nouvelle démonstration impériale au sommet de l'Alpe-d'Huez. Emma se
souvient de la façon dont Armstrong a mis ses rivaux sous l'éteignoir ce
jour-là, mais plus encore de sa conversation, l'après-midi, avec Christie,
commentatrice d'Eurosport et épouse de l'ancien coureur australien Phil
Anderson. O'Reilly avait remarqué une belle Rolex au poignet de la
Californienne, trop petite pour une montre d'homme, un peu grande pour une
montre de femme, et c'est précisément ce qui lui avait plu.

«C'est vraiment une belle montre, Christie. Est-ce que je peux la voir?

- Emma, elle vaut 4 000 dollars, c'est un cadeau de Phil.

- Tu sais, mon chou, je peux m'offrir une montre à 4 000 dollars. Ne me
prends pas de haut parce que je ne suis qu'une employée.»

[...] Ce soir-là, en massant Armstrong, elle lui raconte sa discussion

avec

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Christie. «Pour qui se prend-elle? Elle croit que je ne peux pas me payer
une Rolex? C'est un peu idiot de dépenser autant pour une montre, mais si

je

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le voulais, je pourrais.» Armstrong, qui trouve aussi Christie Anderson
assez exaspérante, l'écoute avec sympathie.

«Regarde, Emma, je ne m'en suis pas débarrassé; peux-tu mettre ca à

la

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poubelle»

Deux semaines plus tard environ, le Tour arrive à Paris. Un travail

d'enfer

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pour Emma, qui doit vider les Fiat prêtées aux équipes pour la course et
surveiller que rien ne manque dans les camions de l'US Postal. Fatiguée,

de

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mauvais poil, elle est loin d'avoir fini de ranger quand on l'informe
qu'elle est attendue au Ritz avec Julien de Vriese [mécano de l'équipe US
Postal]. Armstrong veut les voir. [...] Avec tout ce qu'ils ont encore à
faire, tous deux renâclent. «Nous étions crevés, de mauvaise humeur, et

nous

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faisions peine à voir, avec nos shorts crasseux. Je portais une vieille
chemise Trek, le genre de truc que mettent les pompistes. Julien avait

aussi

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sa veste de pompiste.»

[...] [Au Ritz], la porte s'ouvre et tout le monde retrouve le sourire.
[...] Chambre, salle de bains et salon spacieux, le vainqueur du Tour de
France vit déjà très confortablement. Kristin est en train de couper les
cheveux de son mari. «Laissez Kristin finir», leur demande Lance. «On
parlera ensuite» [...] Une fois ses cheveux coupés, Armstrong se lève et
leur offre deux magnifiques Rolex. Le cadeau est fait simplement, mais

avec

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sincérité. Lance veut témoigner sa reconnaissance à ces deux personnes qui
ont joué un rôle important en coulisses. D'ordinaire, soigneurs et mécano

ne

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reçoivent pas de Rolex de leurs patrons, et le caractère inattendu du
présent ne le rend que plus précieux aux yeux d'O'Reilly et de De Vriese.

En quittant l'hôtel, Julien plaisante avec Emma. «Ce doit être un cadeau

de

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Kristin. Jamais Lance n'aurait dépensé autant d'argent pour nous.» Ils
savent tous deux que c'est Lance qui a demandé à sa femme de les acheter.

De

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retour en Angleterre, Emma fera assurer la montre, évaluée à 4 000

dollars.

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Elle remarquera la date de garantie: 16 juillet. Les montres ont donc été
achetées deux jours après cette conversation tendue avec Christie

Anderson.

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[...]

Avec ou sans?

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Originally posted by Psycholist Brian,

It looks like we're all waiting on a translator.

Bob C.

I tried to make out some of it, but all I could gather is something
about Armstrong handing out Rolex watches to people.

There's a bit more than that. ;-)

Brian,

English is my first language. Southern is my second. I don't have a third.
Could you enlighten me (and all of us who are similarly language deficient)
with a summary of the relevant details?

I'll trust you to adhere to the most objective standards in condensing the
subject matter so it doesn't get skewed to any particular viewpoint.

Thanks,
Bob C.

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But at the Tour de France in 1999 he failed a test for the
corticosteroid
triamcinolone - a banned substance found in some medicines and creams

I hadn't heard this, and forgive me if this has been discussed to
death. Triamcinolone is NOT an anabolic steroid--it is a
glucocorticoid--used mainly as an antiinflammatory agent. As such it is
still possible to abuse, but legitimate use is far more credible than it
would be for an anabolic.

Steve

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> Originally posted by Psycholist Brian,
>
> It looks like we're all waiting on a translator.
>
> Bob C.

I tried to make out some of it, but all I could gather is something
about Armstrong handing out Rolex watches to people.

There's a bit more than that. ;-)

Brian,

English is my first language. Southern is my second. I don't have a
third. Could you enlighten me (and all of us who are similarly
language deficient) with a summary of the relevant details?

I'll trust you to adhere to the most objective standards in
condensing the subject matter so it doesn't get skewed to any
particular viewpoint.

Thanks,
Bob C.

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>Originally posted by Psycholist Brian,
>
>It looks like we're all waiting on a translator.
>
>Bob C.

I tried to make out some of it, but all I could gather is something
about Armstrong handing out Rolex watches to people.

There's a bit more than that. ;-)

Brian,
English is my first language. Southern is my second. I don't have a
third. Could you enlighten me (and all of us who are similarly language
deficient) with a summary of the relevant details?
I'll trust you to adhere to the most objective standards in condensing
the subject matter so it doesn't get skewed to any particular viewpoint.
Thanks, Bob C.

Summary: "I got rid of a package of syringes containing god-knows-what
(because I sure don't) for Pants and was freakin' because I got pulled
over by a cop, but he asked me if I knew Gorski and I said he's my boss,
and the cop was like, tell him I say hi, I knew him back in the 80's. So
anyhow, I went to Spain and got a vial of something or other for Pants,
and met him at McDonalds and was, like, freaking. So I secretly slipped
him the package and he's like, thanks girlie, here's a Rolex. That's how
he thanks everyone, dropping Rolex watches like they're pocket change,
but I bet he makes Kristin buy them all because he's such a guy like
that. He's like, dripping with money, and I would like to get a piece of
it because I can't find a job anywhere! So, like, when this reporter
called me and said we could cash in bigtime on Pants' publicity for the
Toor, I said 'Cool! 'Cos I pawned that Rolex a long time ago!'"

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something

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> about Armstrong handing out Rolex watches to people.

There's a bit more than that. ;-)

Brian,
English is my first language. Southern is my second. I don't have a
third. Could you enlighten me (and all of us who are similarly

language

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deficient) with a summary of the relevant details?
I'll trust you to adhere to the most objective standards in condensing
the subject matter so it doesn't get skewed to any particular

viewpoint.

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Thanks, Bob C.

Summary: "I got rid of a package of syringes containing god-knows-what
(because I sure don't) for Pants and was freakin' because I got pulled
over by a cop, but he asked me if I knew Gorski and I said he's my boss,
and the cop was like, tell him I say hi, I knew him back in the 80's. So
anyhow, I went to Spain and got a vial of something or other for Pants,
and met him at McDonalds and was, like, freaking. So I secretly slipped
him the package and he's like, thanks girlie, here's a Rolex. That's how
he thanks everyone, dropping Rolex watches like they're pocket change,
but I bet he makes Kristin buy them all because he's such a guy like
that. He's like, dripping with money, and I would like to get a piece of
it because I can't find a job anywhere! So, like, when this reporter
called me and said we could cash in bigtime on Pants' publicity for the
Toor, I said 'Cool! 'Cos I pawned that Rolex a long time ago!'"

I think bias has impacted negatively on some of your translation.

But, I wonder if Armstong's solicitors will seek replevin of Emma's Rolex.

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>Originally posted by Psycholist Brian,
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>Bob C.

I tried to make out some of it, but all I could gather is something
about Armstrong handing out Rolex watches to people.

There's a bit more than that. ;-)

Brian,

English is my first language. Southern is my second. I don't have a

third.

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Could you enlighten me (and all of us who are similarly language

deficient)

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with a summary of the relevant details?

I'll trust you to adhere to the most objective standards in condensing the
subject matter so it doesn't get skewed to any particular viewpoint.

Thanks,
Bob C.

http://world.altavista.com/ will give you a basic idea of it. Don't worry
about the word limit. Just copy and paste everything you want.

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I think bias has impacted negatively on some of your translation.

But, I wonder if Armstong's solicitors will seek replevin of Emma's Rolex.

Jeeperz. Didn't hear of Replevin for years.

Good old Anglo-Saxon remedy though 🙂

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Ferie wrote:

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But at the Tour de France in 1999 he failed a test for the
corticosteroid
triamcinolone - a banned substance found in some medicines and creams

I hadn't heard this, and forgive me if this has been discussed to
death. Triamcinolone is NOT an anabolic steroid--it is a
glucocorticoid--used mainly as an antiinflammatory agent. As such it is
still possible to abuse, but legitimate use is far more credible than it
would be for an anabolic.

Steve

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IIRC, he had a saddle sore and used an ointment. He also had a prescription
and the prescription was approved by the UCI. Also, while the test
indicated he was "positive" for the triamcinolone, it wasn't a true
"positive" in the sense that he was considered to have failed the doping
test. There was a threshold value he would have needed to exceed and his
level was 1/10th of that. There was quite a controversy at the time that
any information about it was ever released by the vampires.

In other words, it was all nonsense! That they're calling it a positive
test now is telling, in my view.

Bob C.

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IIRC, he had a saddle sore and used an ointment. He also had a prescription
and the prescription was approved by the UCI. Also, while the test
indicated he was "positive" for the triamcinolone, it wasn't a true
"positive" in the sense that he was considered to have failed the doping
test. There was a threshold value he would have needed to exceed and his
level was 1/10th of that. There was quite a controversy at the time that
any information about it was ever released by the vampires.

In other words, it was all nonsense! That they're calling it a positive
test now is telling, in my view.

But in the Emma Papers, it is suggested (by Emma's recollection of
conversations around her) that there was some frantic "What do we do
now?" going on in the Armstrong entourage, and an anti-dated recipe was
manufactured.

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psycholist said:

IIRC, he had a saddle sore and used an ointment. He also had a

prescription

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and the prescription was approved by the UCI. Also, while the test
indicated he was "positive" for the triamcinolone, it wasn't a true
"positive" in the sense that he was considered to have failed the doping
test. There was a threshold value he would have needed to exceed and his
level was 1/10th of that. There was quite a controversy at the time that
any information about it was ever released by the vampires.

In other words, it was all nonsense! That they're calling it a positive
test now is telling, in my view.

But in the Emma Papers, it is suggested (by Emma's recollection of
conversations around her) that there was some frantic "What do we do
now?" going on in the Armstrong entourage, and an anti-dated recipe was
manufactured.

She alleges that Armstong used steroids in the Route du Sud and thought they
had cleared his system. Armstrong had not filed a medical certificate prior
to the Tour for the butt cream, IIRC. My recollection is that he was not
sanctioned for failing to file as his test was not over the limit, and thus
not actually positive. Emma states rather clearly that they cooked up the
butt cream story to cover the Route du Sud usage.

Has there been any comment published as to Emma's reaction to all of this?
Calling Eire rbr denizens.........

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But in the Emma Papers, it is suggested (by Emma's recollection of
conversations around her) that there was some frantic "What do we do
now?" going on in the Armstrong entourage, and an anti-dated recipe was
manufactured.

She alleges that Armstong used steroids in the Route du Sud and thought they
had cleared his system.

Yes, that too.

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Has there been any comment published as to Emma's reaction to all of this?
Calling Eire rbr denizens.........

Brian, Hero bashing is the world sport, especially in the west. We set 'em up,
and we rip 'em down. If Lance is going to go down, I'm holding out for a solid,
proven, almost flagrant violation. Screw shades of gray. You and everyone else
know that I'm not a Lance worshiper, but the gnats biting the knees of a great
champion hoping for crumbs of glory deserve only scorn.
Prove a solid verifiable violation beyond a reasonable doubt, and you have my
respect, until then keep hoping that the tabloids have a slot.
Bill C

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Has there been any comment published as to Emma's reaction to all of

this?

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Calling Eire rbr denizens.........

Brian, Hero bashing is the world sport, especially in the west. We set

'em up,

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and we rip 'em down. If Lance is going to go down, I'm holding out for a

solid,

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proven, almost flagrant violation. Screw shades of gray. You and everyone

else

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know that I'm not a Lance worshiper, but the gnats biting the knees of a

great

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champion hoping for crumbs of glory deserve only scorn.
Prove a solid verifiable violation beyond a reasonable doubt, and you

have my

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respect, until then keep hoping that the tabloids have a slot.
Bill C

Emma would like to share a pint and speak with you.

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Emma would like to share a pint and speak with you.

If Emma's better looking than your sorry ass I might enjoy that! ;-)
Bill C

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Emma would like to share a pint and speak with you.

If Emma's better looking than your sorry ass I might enjoy that! ;-)
Bill C

My ass looks pretty good after a few Actovegan creme treatments.