Basso or Danielson?

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Who will go further in the sport? People have such high hopes for the
both of them...it should be interesting. And................will Cunego
overshadow them for the rest of their careers?

It's a little too early to tell.

Bob C.

BJC said:

Who will go further in the sport? People have such high hopes for the
both of them...it should be interesting. And................will Cunego
overshadow them for the rest of their careers?

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Do you really think these guys are comparable?

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Who will go further in the sport? People have such high hopes for the
both of them...it should be interesting.

I don't know. I like them both and hope that they can achieve their lofty
goals.

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And................will Cunego
overshadow them for the rest of their careers?

Yes. Doesn't matter if he never does as well again (though he certainly
will), he will forever be the baby of the Giro d'Italia...

-Sonarrat.

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Who will go further in the sport? People have such high hopes for the
both of them...it should be interesting. And................will
Cunego overshadow them for the rest of their careers?

It's a little too early to tell.
Bob C.

True, it's impossible to have an absolute definitive answer. I thought
it would be a fun question to pose because both riders are so early in
their careers. I just can't wait to see the next generation of riders
rip each other apart!

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Who will go further in the sport? People have such high hopes for the
both of them...it should be interesting. And................will Cunego
overshadow them for the rest of their careers?

Both Basso and Danielson have great careers ahead of them. Cunego will be
another Ullrich.

Tom Kunich said:

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Who will go further in the sport? People have such high hopes for the
both of them...it should be interesting. And................will
Cunego overshadow them for the rest of their careers?

Both Basso and Danielson have great careers ahead of them. Cunego will
be another Ullrich.

Tom, That's very interesting you say that because I have heard Cunego
has shown incredible form over the last couple of years when he was
motivated to train. When he wasn't motivated....bye bye bike. Very
much like Ullrich indeed. I think he could really use a mentor to
keep him focused. Too bad Pantani isn't around any longer. He'd be up
for the task.

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BJC said:

Tom Kunich said:

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Who will go further in the sport? People have such high hopes for the
both of them...it should be interesting. And................will
Cunego overshadow them for the rest of their careers?

Both Basso and Danielson have great careers ahead of them. Cunego will
be another Ullrich.

Tom, That's very interesting you say that because I have heard Cunego
has shown incredible form over the last couple of years when he was
motivated to train. When he wasn't motivated....bye bye bike. Very
much like Ullrich indeed. I think he could really use a mentor to
keep him focused. Too bad Pantani isn't around any longer. He'd be up
for the task.

I simply don't see how any man could cross the line in 1st place eight
times in 6 weeks, also taking the overall GC of a small stage race
followed by a Grand Tour, with anything less than total dedication over
the span of several years.

It was Popovych who kept beating him when Cunego was on the Zalf-Fior
team three years ago. Michele Scarponi and his teammate Emanuele Sella
also beat the tar out of him several times. But the quality of Cunego's
four wins put him on a better team than them, and he came up with the
goods.. somebody was really reading the U23 scene well.

It's interesting to note that Fassa Bortolo reached an agreement with
Zalf-Fior in 2001 for the amateur squad to serve as a reservoir for new
Fassa pros... but the only transfer between them in the past two years
has been Francesco Chicchi, and the team hired two riders from
Mapei-Quick Step Espoirs (Cancellara and Pozzato). Fassa must be
absolutely kicking themselves for not scooping up Cunego.

-Sonarrat.

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Sonarrat said:

It's interesting to note that Fassa Bortolo reached an agreement with
Zalf-Fior in 2001 for the amateur squad to serve as a reservoir for new
Fassa pros... but the only transfer between them in the past two years
has been Francesco Chicchi, and the team hired two riders from
Mapei-Quick Step Espoirs (Cancellara and Pozzato). Fassa must be
absolutely kicking themselves for not scooping up Cunego.

Fassa also got Cioni from Mapei, and he is being coached by the same
guy who coached him when he was with Mapei.

-WG

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I simply don't see how any man could cross the line in 1st place eight
times in 6 weeks, also taking the overall GC of a small stage race
followed by a Grand Tour, with anything less than total dedication over
the span of several years.

Perhaps you could look back at Ullrich's career.

Sonarrat said:

[Cunego]
Yes. Doesn't matter if he never does as well again (though he certainly
will), he will forever be the baby of the Giro d'Italia...

There had been 5 Giro winners younger than him:
Coppi (1940), Saronni (1979), Bartali (1936), Balmamion (1961) and another
guy in the '30s whose name now escapes me

Davide Tosi said:

Sonarrat said:

[Cunego]
Yes. Doesn't matter if he never does as well again (though he certainly
will), he will forever be the baby of the Giro d'Italia...

There had been 5 Giro winners younger than him:
Coppi (1940), Saronni (1979), Bartali (1936), Balmamion (1961) and another
guy in the '30s whose name now escapes me

Elite company, to be sure. It may not mean much, but at least Cunego is
the first from a generation that ign'ant Americans like me were awake to
pay attention... 😉

-Sonarrat.

In article <[email hidden]>, Sonarrat

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Davide Tosi said:

Sonarrat said:

[Cunego]
Yes. Doesn't matter if he never does as well again (though he certainly
will), he will forever be the baby of the Giro d'Italia...

There had been 5 Giro winners younger than him:
Coppi (1940), Saronni (1979), Bartali (1936), Balmamion (1961) and another
guy in the '30s whose name now escapes me

Elite company, to be sure. It may not mean much, but at least Cunego is
the first from a generation that ign'ant Americans like me were awake to
pay attention... 😉

Some of us know Saronni. I even got to watch him riding up the clmbs
near Lake Berryessa and into Sacramento during the Coors Classic.

-WG

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I simply don't see how any man could cross the line in 1st place eight
times in 6 weeks, also taking the overall GC of a small stage race
followed by a Grand Tour, with anything less than total dedication over
the span of several years.

Perhaps you could look back at Ullrich's career.

Pretty easy to do...

http://www.trap-friis.dk/cykling/tyskland.Ullrich.htm

No, I simply don't see the same sudden explosion out of the amateur ranks like
that of Cunego. Popovych seems to compare more directly to Ullrich. Like
Ullrich, when Popo tackled his first Grand Tour, he was ready for it - not
all-conquering, as Ullrich was in the '96 Tour, but more than ready. Cunego
struggled quite a bit in the '03 Giro, by contrast. Even this year he was
deeply disadvantaged in some ways, particularly in the ITT. His was a pure
climber's win, fought out on the open road in a way which made the cold, lonely
ITT seem not to matter at all - no wonder people are calling him the next
Pantani.

-Sonarrat.

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"Sonarrat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I simply don't see how any man could cross the line in 1st place eight
times in 6 weeks, also taking the overall GC of a small stage race
followed by a Grand Tour, with anything less than total dedication over
the span of several years.

Perhaps you could look back at Ullrich's career.

Pretty easy to do...

http://www.trap-friis.dk/cykling/tyskland.Ullrich.htm

No, I simply don't see the same sudden explosion out of the amateur ranks like
that of Cunego. Popovych seems to compare more directly to Ullrich. Like
Ullrich, when Popo tackled his first Grand Tour, he was ready for it - not
all-conquering, as Ullrich was in the '96 Tour, but more than ready. Cunego
struggled quite a bit in the '03 Giro, by contrast. Even this year he was
deeply disadvantaged in some ways, particularly in the ITT. His was a pure
climber's win, fought out on the open road in a way which made the cold,
lonely
ITT seem not to matter at all - no wonder people are calling him the next
Pantani.

And who did Cunego beat? A sick Garzelli, Simoni not in top form,
Cioni, who has been building his fitness during the past years and only
this year is he coming into form, and two other guys (Tonkov and
Honchar) who were good 10 years ago. IOW, don't read too much into the
result of this year's Giro.

-WG

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.. said:

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"Sonarrat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> I simply don't see how any man could cross the line in 1st place eight
> times in 6 weeks, also taking the overall GC of a small stage race
> followed by a Grand Tour, with anything less than total dedication over
> the span of several years.

Perhaps you could look back at Ullrich's career.

Pretty easy to do...

http://www.trap-friis.dk/cykling/tyskland.Ullrich.htm

No, I simply don't see the same sudden explosion out of the amateur ranks

like

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that of Cunego. Popovych seems to compare more directly to Ullrich. Like
Ullrich, when Popo tackled his first Grand Tour, he was ready for it - not
all-conquering, as Ullrich was in the '96 Tour, but more than ready. Cunego
struggled quite a bit in the '03 Giro, by contrast. Even this year he was
deeply disadvantaged in some ways, particularly in the ITT. His was a pure
climber's win, fought out on the open road in a way which made the cold,
lonely
ITT seem not to matter at all - no wonder people are calling him the next
Pantani.

And who did Cunego beat? A sick Garzelli, Simoni not in top form,
Cioni, who has been building his fitness during the past years and only
this year is he coming into form, and two other guys (Tonkov and
Honchar) who were good 10 years ago. IOW, don't read too much into the
result of this year's Giro.

Should we disregard the results of the 150 other top professionals who
participated, then?

-Sonarrat.

In article <[email hidden]>, Sonarrat

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In article <[email hidden]>, Sonarrat

.. said:

"Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "Sonarrat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> >
> > I simply don't see how any man could cross the line in 1st place eight
> > times in 6 weeks, also taking the overall GC of a small stage race
> > followed by a Grand Tour, with anything less than total dedication
> > over
> > the span of several years.
>
> Perhaps you could look back at Ullrich's career.

Pretty easy to do...

http://www.trap-friis.dk/cykling/tyskland.Ullrich.htm

No, I simply don't see the same sudden explosion out of the amateur ranks

like

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

that of Cunego. Popovych seems to compare more directly to Ullrich. Like
Ullrich, when Popo tackled his first Grand Tour, he was ready for it - not
all-conquering, as Ullrich was in the '96 Tour, but more than ready.
Cunego
struggled quite a bit in the '03 Giro, by contrast. Even this year he was
deeply disadvantaged in some ways, particularly in the ITT. His was a
pure
climber's win, fought out on the open road in a way which made the cold,
lonely
ITT seem not to matter at all - no wonder people are calling him the next
Pantani.

And who did Cunego beat? A sick Garzelli, Simoni not in top form,
Cioni, who has been building his fitness during the past years and only
this year is he coming into form, and two other guys (Tonkov and
Honchar) who were good 10 years ago. IOW, don't read too much into the
result of this year's Giro.

Should we disregard the results of the 150 other top professionals who
participated, then?

Non-contenders? They are what they are. Some years a race is harder
than other years. Best to keep the results in relative perspective.

-WG

To do what? Show him how to take his EPO, or where to buy the best
coke? Pantani would be a poor role model. Now Riis, he's a mentor.
Sure he may or may not have a great dope program going, but he can
still lead and motivate.

CH

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Tom, That's very interesting you say that because I have heard Cunego
has shown incredible form over the last couple of years when he was
motivated to train. When he wasn't motivated....bye bye bike. Very
much like Ullrich indeed. I think he could really use a mentor to
keep him focused. Too bad Pantani isn't around any longer. He'd be up
for the task.

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To do what? Show him how to take his EPO, or where to buy the best
coke? Pantani would be a poor role model. Now Riis, he's a mentor.
Sure he may or may not have a great dope program going, but he can
still lead and motivate.

CH

Quoted message said:

Tom, That's very interesting you say that because I have heard Cunego
has shown incredible form over the last couple of years when he was
motivated to train. When he wasn't motivated....bye bye bike. Very
much like Ullrich indeed. I think he could really use a mentor to
keep him focused. Too bad Pantani isn't around any longer. He'd be up
for the task.

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