Luck needed to win TdF

"curt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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I was just reading about the guys that won the TdF 5 times. Truly an
amazing group. Anyway, what seems more amazing to me is the fact that these
guys must have some real luck as well. I mean, I read about one that got
punched in the stomach and finished second with his bruised ribs and who
knows what all happens.

Being that the US is the most hated country in the world right now (can't
blame anyone for those thoughts), I wonder about Lance getting through the
TdF without any problems from fans or whoever. I can't help but to think
that there could be problems this year.

Just wondering what people think about this?

Curt

This isn't a troll -- it's a Rove.

And you're a churl.

Kirby.

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This isn't a troll -- it's a Rove.

And you're a churl.

Kirby.

I suppose any discussion could be called a troll. The difference is, I was
wondering if anyone had a thought on the subject? There are many accidents
in the Tour and any bicycle race for that matter. There are many people
that hate the US more now than ever and I was wondering if it had an effect
or if people thought it may come into play?

Call my topic what you will. I expected this type of answer here anyway.
Many puffed up shirts here and people who are trying too hard to look like
they have some sort of knowledge or insight about people who just want
opinions.

Enjoy,
Curt

curt said:

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This isn't a troll -- it's a Rove.

And you're a churl.

Kirby.

I suppose any discussion could be called a troll. The difference is, I
was
wondering if anyone had a thought on the subject? There are many
accidents
in the Tour and any bicycle race for that matter. There are many people
that hate the US more now than ever and I was wondering if it had an
effect
or if people thought it may come into play?

Call my topic what you will. I expected this type of answer here anyway.
Many puffed up shirts here and people who are trying too hard to look
like
they have some sort of knowledge or insight about people who just want
opinions.

Enjoy,
Curt

Actually, I was thinking the same thing myself. The "Road to the Tour"
show highlighted someone (I forget who) who was supposed to do well last
year and then got caught in a spill on the second day of racing and was
out. Similarly, Armstrong almost went down last year when Beloki went
down. It really also does have luck involved, unlike something like
tennis for instance. Luck doesn't win you tennis matches, but luck is
involved to a higher degree in biking.

--
Bob in CT
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"curt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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This isn't a troll -- it's a Rove.

And you're a churl.

Kirby.

I suppose any discussion could be called a troll. The difference is, I

was

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wondering if anyone had a thought on the subject? There are many

accidents

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in the Tour and any bicycle race for that matter. There are many people
that hate the US more now than ever and I was wondering if it had an

effect

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or if people thought it may come into play?

Call my topic what you will. I expected this type of answer here anyway.
Many puffed up shirts here and people who are trying too hard to look like
they have some sort of knowledge or insight about people who just want
opinions.

Enjoy,
Curt

You can Google last years RBR posts for people's thoughts on this. It was
discussed ad nauseum.

-T

P.S. - No disrespect intended, but last years discussions did turn into
troll/flame/troll/etc ...

curt huffed:

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Call my topic what you will. I expected this type of answer here
anyway.

Hmmm. Let's see:
1. Expected answer you got? Check.
2. Asked anyway? Check.
3. Whining about the expected response? Check.
4. Second time in three months you've done this?
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"curt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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I was just reading about the guys that won the TdF 5 times. Truly an
amazing group. Anyway, what seems more amazing to me is the fact that these
guys must have some real luck as well. I mean, I read about one that got
punched in the stomach and finished second with his bruised ribs and who
knows what all happens.

One = Eddy Merckx (TIOOYK) As testament to his toughness, Eddy still
finished well. There were considerble fans unhappy with Merckx, but
not due to the politics of Belgium.

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Being that the US is the most hated country in the world right now (can't
blame anyone for those thoughts), I wonder about Lance getting through the
TdF without any problems from fans or whoever. I can't help but to think
that there could be problems this year.

US was about as hated last year, too. It would appear sports fans can
rise above the politics.

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Just wondering what people think about this?

Curt

I think Lance needs to roll a 16 or better to win his 6th Tour.

Well Robert, you needed to go back three months. If you read that whole
thread, you will see my whining as you put it paid off. People did come
through and answer my post. It was a good thread for me anyway. I realize
this topic could be boring to you folks that have been following bicycle
racing for decades, but I was hoping to hear from these experts. I
understand if you have no interest and want to call me a Fred. I always
liked that name and it is no bother to me.

Curt

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curt huffed:

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Call my topic what you will. I expected this type of answer here
anyway.

Hmmm. Let's see:
1. Expected answer you got? Check.
2. Asked anyway? Check.
3. Whining about the expected response? Check.
4. Second time in three months you've done this?

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=c3753s%242461o2%241%40ID-226327.news.uni-berlin.de

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curt said:

Well Robert, you needed to go back three months. If you read that whole
thread, you will see my whining as you put it paid off. People did come
through and answer my post. It was a good thread for me anyway.

You eventually got the results you sought in the first thread and you
*still* whined at the first response in this one? Check.

Bob in CT said:

Actually, I was thinking the same thing myself. The "Road to the Tour"
show highlighted someone (I forget who) who was supposed to do well last

So much for Tyler Hamilton's performance in last year's Tour being
called "unforgettable"...

Robert Chung said:

curt said:

Well Robert, you needed to go back three months. If you read that whole
thread, you will see my whining as you put it paid off. People did come
through and answer my post. It was a good thread for me anyway.

You eventually got the results you sought in the first thread and you
*still* whined at the first response in this one? Check.

Maybe he was expecting a longer chase.

curt said:

Well Robert, you needed to go back three months.

Most of us have never followed that pattern. Three months between trolls is
not a good thing.

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I
realize
this topic could be boring to you folks that have been following
bicycle
racing for decades, but I was hoping to hear from these experts.

It would help if you could define who is an expert on anti-american bike
race sabotage. Knowing this you can save a lot of time by reading only their
posts.

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"curt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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I was just reading about the guys that won the TdF 5 times. Truly an
amazing group. Anyway, what seems more amazing to me is the fact that

these

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guys must have some real luck as well. I mean, I read about one that

got

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punched in the stomach and finished second with his bruised ribs and who
knows what all happens.

One = Eddy Merckx (TIOOYK) As testament to his toughness, Eddy still
finished well. There were considerble fans unhappy with Merckx, but
not due to the politics of Belgium.

If I recall he finished second.

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Being that the US is the most hated country in the world right now

(can't

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blame anyone for those thoughts), I wonder about Lance getting through

the

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TdF without any problems from fans or whoever. I can't help but to

think

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that there could be problems this year.

US was about as hated last year, too. It would appear sports fans can
rise above the politics.

Thanks for answering this part. I know it is tough to answer, but just
looking at opinions. I personally think we are more hated now than ever,
due to Iraq and how we are handling all that. I don't want to get into
politics, but I hope you are right, that we are hated about the same as last
year.

Enjoy,
Curt

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You can Google last years RBR posts for people's thoughts on this. It was
discussed ad nauseum.

-T

P.S. - No disrespect intended, but last years discussions did turn into
troll/flame/troll/etc ...

I wasn't here last year for the troll/flame etc., but I understand how it
could get political or whatever. I think this year is different than last
year, but I don't live in Europe and don't have a handle on it. I am glad I
traveled all over Europe years ago, I do know that. Now I would put a
Canadian flag on my backpack and hope for the best.

I guess this was a bad topic. Forget about the whole thing and I will stick
to my own thoughts without discussion on here.

Enjoy,
Curt

"curt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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You can Google last years RBR posts for people's thoughts on this. It

was

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discussed ad nauseum.

-T

P.S. - No disrespect intended, but last years discussions did turn into
troll/flame/troll/etc ...

I wasn't here last year for the troll/flame etc., but I understand how it
could get political or whatever. I think this year is different than last
year, but I don't live in Europe and don't have a handle on it.

Oh, you mean because the war in Iraq has now lasted 15 months instead of
the 4 months that had passed when last year's Tour was run? You think
people get ore [censored] as time goes by or do people begin to accept what
happened? There are probably people that fall in to each group. There is no
reason at all to expect anything different this year compared to last year.

I am glad I

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traveled all over Europe years ago, I do know that. Now I would put a
Canadian flag on my backpack and hope for the best.

I guess this was a bad topic. Forget about the whole thing and I will

stick

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to my own thoughts without discussion on here.

Use Google (to find out who was correct), or forget about the whole silly
subject.

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Enjoy,
Curt

"Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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curt said:

Well Robert, you needed to go back three months. If you read that whole
thread, you will see my whining as you put it paid off. People did come
through and answer my post. It was a good thread for me anyway.

You eventually got the results you sought in the first thread and you
*still* whined at the first response in this one? Check.

Obviously whining is part of his normal communication style.

curt said:

I am glad I traveled all over Europe years ago, I do know that.
Now I would put a Canadian flag on my backpack and hope for the best.

1. How do you think Canadians would feel about that?
2. How do you think other Americans you met would feel about that?

Rather than deny that I'm American, I do my best to show that not all
Americans lump the French, or the Europeans, or the Muslims, or anyone
else that our government may be fighting, together.

curt said:

I suppose any discussion could be called a troll. The difference is, I was
wondering if anyone had a thought on the subject? There are many accidents
in the Tour and any bicycle race for that matter.

Well, if you refer to *EDDY MERCKX* as "someone" and you are not a troll,
obviougly you know nothing about cycling history and you better not write
on this ng.

What would you think of a post in a basket ng talking about multiple titles
winner and writing "I read about someone who win three rings than went to
play baseball and came back for three more"?

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curt said:

I am glad I traveled all over Europe years ago, I do know that.
Now I would put a Canadian flag on my backpack and hope for the best.

1. How do you think Canadians would feel about that?

Oh, I don't know, I am a pretty nice guy. I don't think the Canadians would
mind that much, but who knows, maybe they would try and beat me up? Life is
too short.

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2. How do you think other Americans you met would feel about that?

Some wouldn't blame me and some would want me hung most likely. Many of the
ones that would want me hung drive H2's, Excursions, Expeditions, Escalades,
Tahoe's, Suburbans, F350's and anything with a diesel motor and an exhaust
that sounds like a semi.

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Rather than deny that I'm American, I do my best to show that not all
Americans lump the French, or the Europeans, or the Muslims, or anyone
else that our government may be fighting, together.

Well, I do that sometimes and being close to a very large university and
interacting with many students and graduates that are from other countries,
it isn't as easy as you may think. I have been attacked pretty hard about
trying to show them that Americans are not all aggressive and that I have
compassion for other people regardless of where they are from. Many look at
me and act like I wouldn't understand being that I am from the US. Maybe
they are right.

Curt

"curt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Now I would put a
Canadian flag on my backpack and hope for the best.

It's stupid [censored] like this that is giving Canadians a bad name, also.