Giro, stage 4

"Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Very disorganized sprint. Fassa wasn't able to set up a dominant train so
everybody and his mother thought they had a chance. Looked bad from 5 km
out. Domina didn't put Cipo in the right place and Bad Things ensued.

What the heck happened at the bridge 15 km out? All of sudden guys were
going off into the ditch.

Cipo crashed! I couldn't tell from the live feed how bad it was- hopefully
not bad enough to bail.

I also hope that this year none of the stages has a deadman's curve 150
metres before the finish line, like last year's stage, also where cipo
crashed. Maybe the organizers learned from that disaster!

"Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Very disorganized sprint. Fassa wasn't able to set up a dominant train so
everybody and his mother thought they had a chance. Looked bad from 5 km
out. Domina didn't put Cipo in the right place and Bad Things ensued.

What the heck happened at the bridge 15 km out? All of sudden guys were
going off into the ditch.

It was so wet I had no doubt something bad would happen. But then, as the
sprint was really being unleashed, someone (and it looked like Cipo himself,
to me) just kinda looked over, strayed off their line and sat up. Mayhem
ensued. Looked like a newbie kind of mistake to me ... not something you'd
expect to see in a pro race.

Bob C.

psycholist said:

someone (and it looked like Cipo himself,
to me) just kinda looked over, strayed off their line and sat up.

No, read the CN report, it was Aug (thought it might be Lombardi, last
man and all, BTA I think he wouldn't be so foolish).

psycholist said:

"Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Very disorganized sprint. Fassa wasn't able to set up a dominant train so
everybody and his mother thought they had a chance. Looked bad from 5 km
out. Domina didn't put Cipo in the right place and Bad Things ensued.

What the heck happened at the bridge 15 km out? All of sudden guys were
going off into the ditch.

It was so wet I had no doubt something bad would happen. But then, as the
sprint was really being unleashed, someone (and it looked like Cipo himself,
to me) just kinda looked over, strayed off their line and sat up. Mayhem
ensued. Looked like a newbie kind of mistake to me ... not something you'd
expect to see in a pro race.

It wasn't Cipo but his team mate and main leadout Andrus Aug, who slowed
down all of a sudden, turned to the wrong side while hitting Cipo with his
back wheel. Cipo slipped also because he was exactly on the middle road
white line. But his main injuries came from the fact that first Pospeyev
and then Tonti hit him with their bikes before falling hard.
Pospeyev was the only rider to be hospitalized, but it's not known yet
whether Mario will start tomorrow.

"Marlene Blanshay" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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"Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Very disorganized sprint. Fassa wasn't able to set up a dominant train so
everybody and his mother thought they had a chance. Looked bad from 5 km
out. Domina didn't put Cipo in the right place and Bad Things ensued.

What the heck happened at the bridge 15 km out? All of sudden guys were
going off into the ditch.

Cipo crashed! I couldn't tell from the live feed how bad it was- hopefully
not bad enough to bail.

14 stitches in his ankle. Wait and see, but I don't think riding with
that many stitches in a place where the skin has to flex that much is
going to work very well, also the threat of serious infection.

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I also hope that this year none of the stages has a deadman's curve 150
metres before the finish line, like last year's stage, also where cipo
crashed. Maybe the organizers learned from that disaster!

Organizers never seem to learn from those disasters, they happen
almost every grand tour. The problem with lots of these little towns
is finding a wide street on the way in that doesn't twist and turn the
way the goat path it was based upon did centuries ago.

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14 stitches in his ankle. Wait and see, but I don't think riding with
that many stitches in a place where the skin has to flex that much is
going to work very well, also the threat of serious infection.

He's got a date at The Toor Day Frantz to be concerned with as well,
suspect he's done, Sadly. Any bets on when McEwwwwwan fades?

Ewoud Dronkert said:

psycholist said:

someone (and it looked like Cipo himself,
to me) just kinda looked over, strayed off their line and sat up.

No, read the CN report, it was Aug (thought it might be Lombardi, last
man and all, BTA I think he wouldn't be so foolish).

CN say Aug and I understand (JJ set us right here..) Lombardi isn't the
last man anymore rather a setup guy....

[email hidden] (Richard Adams) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Organizers never seem to learn from those disasters, they happen
almost every grand tour. The problem with lots of these little towns
is finding a wide street on the way in that doesn't twist and turn the
way the goat path it was based upon did centuries ago.

Did you really see some footage? This time it was a wide, long street
without twists and turns. That's why McEwen said he liked it more
when there are more turn because then a large amount of would-be
sprinters are already eliminated in comparison to long,wide, right
finishes where they seem to come from everywhere. So don't blame the
organizers this time, maybe blame the wether or Aug. The first stage
was much more dangerous.

A. Aug thinking Cipo was going to come past on the right and was
looking for a slow down exit to the left.

Cipo thinking that Aug was going start accelerating through the tangle
and be on his wheel.

Different speeds = oops.

[email hidden] (Davide Tosi) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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psycholist said:

"Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Very disorganized sprint. Fassa wasn't able to set up a dominant train so
everybody and his mother thought they had a chance. Looked bad from 5 km
out. Domina didn't put Cipo in the right place and Bad Things ensued.

What the heck happened at the bridge 15 km out? All of sudden guys were
going off into the ditch.

It was so wet I had no doubt something bad would happen. But then, as the
sprint was really being unleashed, someone (and it looked like Cipo himself,
to me) just kinda looked over, strayed off their line and sat up. Mayhem
ensued. Looked like a newbie kind of mistake to me ... not something you'd
expect to see in a pro race.

It wasn't Cipo but his team mate and main leadout Andrus Aug, who slowed
down all of a sudden, turned to the wrong side while hitting Cipo with his
back wheel. Cipo slipped also because he was exactly on the middle road
white line. But his main injuries came from the fact that first Pospeyev
and then Tonti hit him with their bikes before falling hard.
Pospeyev was the only rider to be hospitalized, but it's not known yet
whether Mario will start tomorrow.

Mario was hospitalized too, but I will say he did start and he did
finish S5 (without revealing the results). I will be interested to
see the DNS/DNF list... Pospyeyev is an important man for D'Amore and
Rodriguez.

-Sonarrat.

"Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Very disorganized sprint. Fassa wasn't able to set up a dominant train so
everybody and his mother thought they had a chance. Looked bad from 5 km
out. Domina didn't put Cipo in the right place and Bad Things ensued.

What the heck happened at the bridge 15 km out? All of sudden guys were
going off into the ditch.

Magnus Backstedt's view, which provides wonderful insights:

http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/6056.0.html

-Sonarrat.

Sonarrat said:

"Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Very disorganized sprint. Fassa wasn't able to set up a dominant train
so everybody and his mother thought they had a chance. Looked bad from
5 km out. Domina didn't put Cipo in the right place and Bad Things
ensued.

What the heck happened at the bridge 15 km out? All of sudden guys were
going off into the ditch.

Magnus Backstedt's view, which provides wonderful insights:

http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/6056.0.html

I saw a little replay of the Stage 4 crash and noticed that one of the
riders bunny-hopped Cipo's bike.