Anquetil

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for those who can read german

http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/0,1518,299280,00.html

A shocking family secret divulged by Der Spiegel. A great scoop indeed.
After all, it's only 20 years ago that it became generally known.

Benjo Maso

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for those who can read german

http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/0,1518,299280,00.html

A shocking family secret divulged by Der Spiegel. A great scoop indeed.
After all, it's only 20 years ago that it became generally known.

Benjo Maso

My experience here in the US is that very few people are aware. Perhaps
more are now that WCP has the Anquetil documentary on dvd, but it's still
very few.

On 05/12/2004 06:10 AM, in article
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for those who can read german

http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/0,1518,299280,00.html

A shocking family secret divulged by Der Spiegel. A great scoop indeed.
After all, it's only 20 years ago that it became generally known.

Benjo Maso

My experience here in the US is that very few people are aware. Perhaps
more are now that WCP has the Anquetil documentary on dvd, but it's still
very few.

Since I can't bear to read a babelfish translation, is this the whole
Jacques' daughter and son were his wife's grandaughter and grandson thing?

IIRC, Anquetil's wife Janine had two children from a previous marriage, but
was unable to have any more children ... so Anquetil made babies with his
(adult) step-daughter ...

Not technically incest, since the step-daughter was not related by blood.

Not molestation, because she was in her 20s at the time ...

Just a little twisted, morality-wise ...

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Steven L. Sheffield said:

IIRC, Anquetil's wife Janine had two children from a previous marriage, but
was unable to have any more children ... so Anquetil made babies with his
(adult) step-daughter ...

Yes, and then made more babies with his stepson's wife.

So your saying that Woody Allen is a major cycling fan??

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On 05/12/2004 06:10 AM, in article
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> for those who can read german
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> http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/0,1518,299280,00.html

A shocking family secret divulged by Der Spiegel. A great scoop indeed.
After all, it's only 20 years ago that it became generally known.

Benjo Maso

My experience here in the US is that very few people are aware. Perhaps
more are now that WCP has the Anquetil documentary on dvd, but it's

still

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very few.

Since I can't bear to read a babelfish translation, is this the whole
Jacques' daughter and son were his wife's grandaughter and grandson thing?

IIRC, Anquetil's wife Janine had two children from a previous marriage,

but

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was unable to have any more children ... so Anquetil made babies with his
(adult) step-daughter ...

Not technically incest, since the step-daughter was not related by blood.

Not molestation, because she was in her 20s at the time ...

Just a little twisted, morality-wise ...

--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
veloworks at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea aye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash

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Steven L. Sheffield said:

IIRC, Anquetil's wife Janine had two children from a previous marriage,

but

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was unable to have any more children ... so Anquetil made babies with his
(adult) step-daughter ...

Yes, and then made more babies with his stepson's wife.

Don't exaggerate. I wouldn't be surprised if maître Jacques performed the
jus primae noctis in the whole:region, but he made only one baby with his
stepdaughter and one with his stepdaughter in law.

Benjo Maso

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Don't exaggerate. I wouldn't be surprised if maître Jacques performed
the jus primae noctis in the whole:region, but he made only one baby
with his stepdaughter and one with his stepdaughter in law.

Pom's professor probably described this as the second most common marriage
pattern worldwide.

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Steven L. Sheffield said:

IIRC, Anquetil's wife Janine had two children from a previous marriage,

but

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was unable to have any more children ... so Anquetil made babies with his
(adult) step-daughter ...

Yes, and then made more babies with his stepson's wife.

Don't exaggerate. I wouldn't be surprised if maître Jacques performed the
jus primae noctis in the whole:region, but he made only one baby with his
stepdaughter and one with his stepdaughter in law.

Benjo Maso

There's a country music tune in there somewhere.

Steve

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Steven Bornfeld said:

There's a country music tune in there somewhere.

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=c5m65b%2438mki%241%40ID-226327.news.uni-berlin.de

wait until headstrongs true stories come out in ten years.......going to
make some journalist famous.....

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Steven Bornfeld said:

There's a country music tune in there somewhere.

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=c5m65b%2438mki%241%40ID-226327.news.uni-berlin.de

I remember there was a song "I'm my own grandpa" but I don't remember
how it works...

Steve

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Brooklyn, NY

"Choctaw Bingo"
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bg

Robert Chung said:

Steven Bornfeld said:

There's a country music tune in there somewhere.

http://www.google.com/groups?selm=c5m65b%2438mki%241%40ID-226327.news.uni-berlin.de

I'm My Own Grandpa
by Buck Owens

Many, many years ago
When I was twenty three,
I was married to a widow
Who was pretty as can be.

This widow had a grown-up daughter
Who had hair of red.
My father fell in love with her,
And soon they too were wed.

This made my dad my son-in-law
And really changed my life.
Now, my daughter was my mother,
'Courrse she was my father's wife.

To complicate the matter,
Even though it brought me joy,
I soon became the father
Of a bouncing baby boy.

My little baby then became
A brother-in-law to dad.
And so became my uncle,
Though it made me very sad.

For if, if he was my uncle,
Then that also made him brother
Of the widow's grown-up daughter
Who, of course, my step-mother.

Father's wife then had a son,
Who kept them on the run.
And he became my grandchild,
For he was my daughter's son.

My wife is now my mother's mother
And it makes me blue.
Because, although she is my wife,
She's my grandmother too.

Now, If my wife is my grandmother,
Then I'm her grandchild.
And every time I think of it,
It nearly drives me wild.

'Cause now I have become
The strangest case you ever saw.
As husband of my grandmother,
I am my own grandpa

Oh, I'm my own grandpa (haha)
I'm my own grandpa (whew)

It not funny I know
But it really is so
Yeah, I'm my own grandpa

Listen to this now
I'm my own grandpa
Would you believe that (haha)
I'm my own grandpa
Talk about incest
It sounds funny I know
But it really is so
I'm my own grandpa...

Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS said:

I remember there was a song "I'm my own grandpa" but I don't remember
how it works...

Steve

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY

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I'm My Own Grandpa
by Buck Owens

Many, many years ago
When I was twenty three,
I was married to a widow
Who was pretty as can be.

This widow had a grown-up daughter
Who had hair of red.
My father fell in love with her,
And soon they too were wed.

This made my dad my son-in-law
And really changed my life.
Now, my daughter was my mother,
'Courrse she was my father's wife.

To complicate the matter,
Even though it brought me joy,
I soon became the father
Of a bouncing baby boy.

My little baby then became
A brother-in-law to dad.
And so became my uncle,
Though it made me very sad.

For if, if he was my uncle,
Then that also made him brother
Of the widow's grown-up daughter
Who, of course, my step-mother.

Father's wife then had a son,
Who kept them on the run.
And he became my grandchild,
For he was my daughter's son.

My wife is now my mother's mother
And it makes me blue.
Because, although she is my wife,
She's my grandmother too.

Now, If my wife is my grandmother,
Then I'm her grandchild.
And every time I think of it,
It nearly drives me wild.

'Cause now I have become
The strangest case you ever saw.
As husband of my grandmother,
I am my own grandpa

Oh, I'm my own grandpa (haha)
I'm my own grandpa (whew)

It not funny I know
But it really is so
Yeah, I'm my own grandpa

Listen to this now
I'm my own grandpa
Would you believe that (haha)
I'm my own grandpa
Talk about incest
It sounds funny I know
But it really is so
I'm my own grandpa...

Thanks for this--enjoyed "Choctaw Bingo" too!

Steve

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