Black pro riders?

On 04/23/2004 09:35 PM, in article [email hidden],

Sonarrat said:

No intention to be racist here, though it is a racist question. Are there
any black riders in the pro peloton today? It seems to me that even the
African teams have riders of Caucasian descent exclusively. (I'm not going
to ask why there aren't any/more, because I don't want the RBR trolls'
answer to that.)

Eric Saunders
Rahsaan Bahati

Quoted message said:

Also, who is this on the right?
http://ume.sakura.ne.jp/~kus/galleria/1993/foto/41.jpg

A Spaniard with a dark tan, or a Colombian.

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Sonarrat said:

No intention to be racist here, though it is a racist question. Are there
any black riders in the pro peloton today? It seems to me that even the
African teams have riders of Caucasian descent exclusively. (I'm not going
to ask why there aren't any/more, because I don't want the RBR trolls'
answer to that.)

Also, who is this on the right?
http://ume.sakura.ne.jp/~kus/galleria/1993/foto/41.jpg

-Sonarrat.

Can't think of any myself, there have been a few of note in the US, but
it's possibly just a situation waiting for the "Tiger Woods of Cycling"
to arrive. I doubt anyone intellect would bar the next Nelson Vails.

No man, you're not being racist.

Neither are these guys:
http://www.local10.com/news/3030870/detail.html

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On 04/23/2004 09:35 PM, in article [email hidden],

Sonarrat said:

No intention to be racist here, though it is a racist question. Are

there

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

any black riders in the pro peloton today? It seems to me that even the
African teams have riders of Caucasian descent exclusively. (I'm not

going

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to ask why there aren't any/more, because I don't want the RBR trolls'
answer to that.)

Eric Saunders
Rahsaan Bahati

Quoted message said:

Also, who is this on the right?
http://ume.sakura.ne.jp/~kus/galleria/1993/foto/41.jpg

A Spaniard with a dark tan, or a Colombian.

--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
veloworks at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea aye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash

Sonarrat said:

No intention to be racist here, though it is a racist question. Are there
any black riders in the pro peloton today? It seems to me that even the
African teams have riders of Caucasian descent exclusively. (I'm not going
to ask why there aren't any/more, because I don't want the RBR trolls'
answer to that.)

Also, who is this on the right?
http://ume.sakura.ne.jp/~kus/galleria/1993/foto/41.jpg

-Sonarrat.

How is that a racist question?
Wouldn't it be great if some of the East Africans that regularly dominate
all big distance footraces got some bikes?

Steve

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Quoted message said:

Sonarrat said:

No intention to be racist here, though it is a racist question. Are

there

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

any black riders in the pro peloton today? It seems to me that even the
African teams have riders of Caucasian descent exclusively. (I'm not

going

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to ask why there aren't any/more, because I don't want the RBR trolls'
answer to that.)

Also, who is this on the right?
http://ume.sakura.ne.jp/~kus/galleria/1993/foto/41.jpg

-Sonarrat.

Mederic Clain of Cofidis appears to be of mixed parentage. His name suggests
he or his parents are from the Reunions, where nearly everyone is of mixed
parentage! The racial makeup there is white, black, brown, indian, asian.

Marlene Blanshay said:

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Quoted message said:

Sonarrat said:

No intention to be racist here, though it is a racist question. Are

there

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

any black riders in the pro peloton today? It seems to me that even the
African teams have riders of Caucasian descent exclusively. (I'm not

going

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to ask why there aren't any/more, because I don't want the RBR trolls'
answer to that.)

Also, who is this on the right?
http://ume.sakura.ne.jp/~kus/galleria/1993/foto/41.jpg

-Sonarrat.

Mederic Clain of Cofidis appears to be of mixed parentage. His name suggests
he or his parents are from the Reunions, where nearly everyone is of mixed
parentage! The racial makeup there is white, black, brown, indian, asian.

Reunions? No wonder I flunked geography.

Steve

In article <[email hidden]>,

Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS said:

Sonarrat said:

No intention to be racist here, though it is a racist question. Are there
any black riders in the pro peloton today? It seems to me that even the
African teams have riders of Caucasian descent exclusively. (I'm not going
to ask why there aren't any/more, because I don't want the RBR trolls'
answer to that.)

Also, who is this on the right?
http://ume.sakura.ne.jp/~kus/galleria/1993/foto/41.jpg

-Sonarrat.

How is that a racist question?

It's a racist question because it distinguishes between white and black
people. Doesn't mean it's racially offensive (though it could spur
offensive comments), but it is racist.

Quoted message said:

Wouldn't it be great if some of the East Africans that regularly dominate
all big distance footraces got some bikes?

That's more or less what I was thinking... with as many track stars as
Africa has. I would call it something of a crime that the only African
Div. II team, Barloworld, should consist mostly of Italians...

-Sonarrat.

On 04/24/2004 05:07 PM, in article
[email hidden], "Sonarrat"

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS said:

Sonarrat said:

No intention to be racist here, though it is a racist question. Are there
any black riders in the pro peloton today? It seems to me that even the
African teams have riders of Caucasian descent exclusively. (I'm not going
to ask why there aren't any/more, because I don't want the RBR trolls'
answer to that.)

Also, who is this on the right?
http://ume.sakura.ne.jp/~kus/galleria/1993/foto/41.jpg

-Sonarrat.

How is that a racist question?

It's a racist question because it distinguishes between white and black
people. Doesn't mean it's racially offensive (though it could spur
offensive comments), but it is racist.

It's a racial question, not a racist question.

ra·cial adj. 1. Of, relating to, or characteristic of race or races.
2. Arising from or based on differences among human racial groups: racial
conflict; racial discrimination.

rac·ist adj. 1. Of, relating to, or characteristic of the belief that race
accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular
race is superior to others. 2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Wouldn't it be great if some of the East Africans that regularly dominate
all big distance footraces got some bikes?

That's more or less what I was thinking... with as many track stars as
Africa has. I would call it something of a crime that the only African
Div. II team, Barloworld, should consist mostly of Italians...

-Sonarrat.

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ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea aye tee why you ti ay aitch
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double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash

Richard Adams said:

Can't think of any myself, there have been a few of note in the US, but
it's possibly just a situation waiting for the "Tiger Woods of Cycling"
to arrive.

He's arrived and gone. Surely Major Taylor qualifies, even if it was a long
time ago.

How about them Chinese? With about a billion bikes in China, surely they
must have a few good riders who could win the TdF (TIOOYK). What's up with
that?

Didier

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In article <[email hidden]>,

hold my beer and watch this... said:

No man, you're not being racist.

Neither are these guys:
http://www.local10.com/news/3030870/detail.html

http://www.nationallampoon.com/modstyles/wwwaste/badass/badass.asp

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Didier A. Depireux said:

Richard Adams said:

Can't think of any myself, there have been a few of note in the US, but
it's possibly just a situation waiting for the "Tiger Woods of Cycling"
to arrive.

He's arrived and gone. Surely Major Taylor qualifies, even if it was a long
time ago.

How about them Chinese? With about a billion bikes in China, surely they
must have a few good riders who could win the TdF (TIOOYK). What's up with
that?

Didier

The sure produced a decent basketball player. The shame is with
bicycles being the predominent mode of transportation in China, they
officials are actually banning them, to make way for CARS. [censored].

in article [email hidden], Steven L. Sheffield at
[email hidden] wrote on 4/24/04 5:41 PM:

Quoted message said:

On 04/24/2004 05:07 PM, in article
[email hidden], "Sonarrat"

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS said:

Sonarrat wrote:

> No intention to be racist here, though it is a racist question. Are there
> any black riders in the pro peloton today? It seems to me that even the
> African teams have riders of Caucasian descent exclusively. (I'm not going
> to ask why there aren't any/more, because I don't want the RBR trolls'
> answer to that.)
>
> Also, who is this on the right?
> http://ume.sakura.ne.jp/~kus/galleria/1993/foto/41.jpg
>
> -Sonarrat.

How is that a racist question?

It's a racist question because it distinguishes between white and black
people. Doesn't mean it's racially offensive (though it could spur
offensive comments), but it is racist.

It's a racial question, not a racist question.

ra·cial adj. 1. Of, relating to, or characteristic of race or races.
2. Arising from or based on differences among human racial groups: racial
conflict; racial discrimination.

rac·ist adj. 1. Of, relating to, or characteristic of the belief that race
accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular
race is superior to others. 2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

The fact that the second definition of each word is the same speaks to how
thin the line is. And definitions vary widely... I am calling it racist to
be on the safe side and to put out a warning flag.

-Sonarrat.

"Sonarrat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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That's more or less what I was thinking... with as many track stars as
Africa has. I would call it something of a crime that the only African
Div. II team, Barloworld, should consist mostly of Italians...

Italians aren't black?

I like Lance very, very much!

Tony

Sonarrat.

rony martias is from guadaloupe and he is in brioches la boulangere... his best
friend yoanne gene who is also black will probably join him next year...

clain is brown too, yeah... we were down for the brown back in the day...

Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

hold my beer and watch this... said:

No man, you're not being racist.

Neither are these guys:
http://www.local10.com/news/3030870/detail.html

http://www.nationallampoon.com/modstyles/wwwaste/badass/badass.asp

Man. I can still remember when National Lampoon was funny. I'm old and
showing my age.

The shame is, I picked up a MAD a few months ago just to see what's in
them today. I'd say they're killing the magazine.

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Quoted message said:

Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

hold my beer and watch this... said:

No man, you're not being racist.

Neither are these guys:
http://www.local10.com/news/3030870/detail.html

http://www.nationallampoon.com/modstyles/wwwaste/badass/badass.asp

Man. I can still remember when National Lampoon was funny. I'm old and
showing my age.

The shame is, I picked up a MAD a few months ago just to see what's in
them today. I'd say they're killing the magazine.

No amount of copying from past issues will make the modern Mad anything like
the original when they believed that you got humor from intelligent writers.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Richard Adams said:

Howard Kveck wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.nationallampoon.com/modstyles/wwwaste/badass/badass.asp

Man. I can still remember when National Lampoon was funny. I'm old and
showing my age.

It seemed like they decided tht the more words they put out, the funnier
it would be. But by the time you got to the end of an article, you'd
forgotten why it should be funny.

Quoted message said:

The shame is, I picked up a MAD a few months ago just to see what's in
them today. I'd say they're killing the magazine.

It's pretty rank now. No more Dave Berg (he's dead, too bad). Some of
the movie parodies were hilarious. "Cool Hand Luke" = "Blue Eyed Kook".

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Howard

Q: Can we call it a quagmire yet?

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

In article <[email hidden]>,

(erik saunders) said:

rony martias is from guadaloupe and he is in brioches la boulangere... his
best
friend yoanne gene who is also black will probably join him next year...

clain is brown too, yeah... we were down for the brown back in the day...

A friend used to say, "We're brown, we're down and we're comin' to your
town..."

By the way, how about a race report, Erik?

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Howard

Q: Can we call it a quagmire yet?

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Sonarrat said:

The fact that the second definition of each word is the same speaks to how
thin the line is. And definitions vary widely... I am calling it racist to
be on the safe side and to put out a warning flag.

Why, are you the Usenet police?

It's well known that different races have many
differences physiologically besides skin color,
some of which accounts for the dominance of
certain racial groups in specific sports.

Does the recognition of reality make me a racist?

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