Hincapie?

psycholist said:

Anyone got the scoop on how/where George lost it? (Try to resist dumbass
comments. I just want to know if he flatted or took a wrong turn or got
held up by a train or something.)

Based on a post-race interview with Frankie, George said he just plain
ol' ran out of gas.

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Ok ... I've read the live reports. I haven't watched the tape I made of

the

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OLN "coverage." Based on comments I've seen here, I don't think it

answers

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the question and I still don't know what actually happened to George. It
seemed one minute he was right there and the next he was down 0:45. One
minute he's with Museew and the next minute Museew's flatted, gotten a

wheel

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and Hincapie's still not there.

Anyone got the scoop on how/where George lost it? (Try to resist dumbass
comments. I just want to know if he flatted or took a wrong turn or got
held up by a train or something.)

Thanks,
Bob C.

Boy, it is nice to see that lots of other people are as confused as I am.
Phil said something like, "Now George knows that he will finish no less than
third." OLN goes to a commercial break and Museew it leading with no sign
of George.

Psycholist said:

Ok ... I've read the live reports. I haven't watched the tape I made of
the OLN "coverage." Based on comments I've seen here, I don't think it
answers the question and I still don't know what actually happened to
George. It seemed one minute he was right there and the next he was down
0:45. One minute he's with Museew and the next minute Museew's flatted,
gotten a wheel and Hincapie's still not there.
Anyone got the scoop on how/where George lost it? (Try to resist dumbass
comments. I just want to know if he flatted or took a wrong turn or got
held up by a train or something.)
Thanks, Bob C.

I have no more info than you, but from listening to George after the
race and thinking about the race coverage I belive that Hincapes break
was caught and a large group formed with 8 or so riders. Then there was
a move from that group which George could not keep up with. Then Museuw
got his flat, but George was already dropped. I think the interview at
the end of the coverage makes it clear, but the coverage of that section
of the race was shakey.

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Psycholist said:

Ok ... I've read the live reports. I haven't watched the tape I made of
the OLN "coverage." Based on comments I've seen here, I don't think it
answers the question and I still don't know what actually happened to
George. It seemed one minute he was right there and the next he was down
0:45. One minute he's with Museew and the next minute Museew's flatted,
gotten a wheel and Hincapie's still not there.
Anyone got the scoop on how/where George lost it? (Try to resist dumbass
comments. I just want to know if he flatted or took a wrong turn or got
held up by a train or something.)
Thanks, Bob C.

I have no more info than you, but from listening to George after the
race and thinking about the race coverage I belive that Hincapes break
was caught and a large group formed with 8 or so riders. Then there was
a move from that group which George could not keep up with. Then Museuw
got his flat, but George was already dropped. I think the interview at
the end of the coverage makes it clear, but the coverage of that section
of the race was shakey.

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RWM said:

"psycholist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Ok ... I've read the live reports. I haven't watched the tape I made of

the

Quoted message said:

OLN "coverage." Based on comments I've seen here, I don't think it

answers

Quoted message said:

the question and I still don't know what actually happened to George. It
seemed one minute he was right there and the next he was down 0:45. One
minute he's with Museew and the next minute Museew's flatted, gotten a

wheel

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and Hincapie's still not there.

Anyone got the scoop on how/where George lost it? (Try to resist dumbass
comments. I just want to know if he flatted or took a wrong turn or got
held up by a train or something.)

Thanks,
Bob C.

Boy, it is nice to see that lots of other people are as confused as I am.
Phil said something like, "Now George knows that he will finish no less than
third." OLN goes to a commercial break and Museew it leading with no sign
of George.

Well, it's not the first time Phil's gotten ahead of himself with
proclaiming a podium. Or the last...

--
tanx,
Howard

Q: Why did the metalhead cross the road?
A: Because he's a gullible moron who'll buy
anything with a skull on it.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Howard Kveck said:

Well, it's not the first time Phil's gotten ahead of himself with
proclaiming a podium. Or the last...

There's a slightly odd comment on Graham Watson's pages as well about
the break with Gorgeous George being the race-winning one...(...not to
mention that guys called George these days shouldn't make comments about
running out of gas...)

Awesome result for Roger Hammond...it seems like he's been around
forever and he really deserves a podium spot.

psycholist said:

Ok ... I've read the live reports. I haven't watched the tape I made
of the OLN "coverage." Based on comments I've seen here, I don't think
it answers the question and I still don't know what actually happened
to George. It seemed one minute he was right there and the next he was
down 0:45. One minute he's with Museew and the next minute Museew's
flatted, gotten a wheel and Hincapie's still not there.

Anyone got the scoop on how/where George lost it? (Try to resist
dumbass comments. I just want to know if he flatted or took a wrong
turn or got held up by a train or something.)

Thanks,
Bob C.

After the Boonen, Hincapie, and Flecha break was caught, the leaders, now
about 8 or so, entered the Carrefour de l'Arbre together, Museeuw taking
the lead, Hincapie in 4th place. They exited together, then entered
section 3B, the Gruson. It was during this section that the group split a
little, with Museeuw, Backstedt, Hammonds, Cancellara, Hoffman, and
possibly Hoste (?) in front, followed at 3 or 4 seconds by Boonen, Flecha,
and Hincapie, who were paying for their earlier effort. At this point, PVP
was tearing through the chasers, having flatted and chasing back, solo,
through the caravan, at perhaps 35 seconds to the Museeuw group. Very
impressive.

Because Hincapie and Boonen were 3 or 4 seconds back of the lead group,
and Motocam 2 was following the group behind, they disappeared from view
for a couple of minutes, which is why none of the analysts could exactly
place where he was.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Stewart Fleming said:

Howard Kveck said:

Well, it's not the first time Phil's gotten ahead of himself with
proclaiming a podium. Or the last...

There's a slightly odd comment on Graham Watson's pages as well about
the break with Gorgeous George being the race-winning one...(...not to
mention that guys called George these days shouldn't make comments about
running out of gas...)

Awesome result for Roger Hammond...it seems like he's been around
forever and he really deserves a podium spot.

I don't think he deserves a podium spot - he earned it. This seems like
a big jump forward for him. I was never really sure in the past if his team
was strong enough or if they just weren't very supportive of him in
particular, but maybe this result will make a difference for him in that
regard. It's a great result. I'm really stoked for Backstedt, as well.

--
tanx,
Howard

Q: Why did the metalhead cross the road?
A: Because he's a gullible moron who'll buy
anything with a skull on it.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

like i said before the race began. he just doesnt have what it takes to win
PR. he could be a super domestique, just not a champion of PR.

magnus had no more halp than george, but he won.

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Ok ... I've read the live reports. I haven't watched the tape I made of

the

Quoted message said:

OLN "coverage." Based on comments I've seen here, I don't think it

answers

Quoted message said:

the question and I still don't know what actually happened to George. It
seemed one minute he was right there and the next he was down 0:45. One
minute he's with Museew and the next minute Museew's flatted, gotten a

wheel

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and Hincapie's still not there.

Anyone got the scoop on how/where George lost it? (Try to resist dumbass
comments. I just want to know if he flatted or took a wrong turn or got
held up by a train or something.)

Thanks,
Bob C.

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like i said before the race began. he just doesnt have what it takes to

win

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PR. he could be a super domestique, just not a champion of PR.

He had a pretty good go of it this time with Boonen and Flecha. That could
have turned into a race winning break. Maybe they needed Hoste there to stop
Lotto from chasing, although I think it was Wesemann who dragged everyone
up. I was surprised at how quickly they were caught.

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magnus had no more halp than george, but he won.

Baldato was there at the end, although the team only started with five
riders (Marcus Ljungqvist was still a bit off after last week's crash).
Hammond was alone too. But Lotto and Quick.Step comprised nearly a third of
the big selection after Arenberg, and they ended up with nothing.

Jeff

the woulda-coulda-shoulda with george is just getting old.
after watching boonen work for him and then GH getting dropped it made me
change my whole outlook on his PR chances. top5 to top 10 guy, hell yes. not
top 2 though, help or no help.

he would do better going for the rolling TDF stages that have a bit of an
incline to break the group. too bad that wont happen before 2005.

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like i said before the race began. he just doesnt have what it takes to

win

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PR. he could be a super domestique, just not a champion of PR.

He had a pretty good go of it this time with Boonen and Flecha. That could
have turned into a race winning break. Maybe they needed Hoste there to

stop

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Lotto from chasing, although I think it was Wesemann who dragged everyone
up. I was surprised at how quickly they were caught.

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magnus had no more halp than george, but he won.

Baldato was there at the end, although the team only started with five
riders (Marcus Ljungqvist was still a bit off after last week's crash).
Hammond was alone too. But Lotto and Quick.Step comprised nearly a third

of

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the big selection after Arenberg, and they ended up with nothing.

Jeff

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the woulda-coulda-shoulda with george is just getting old.
after watching boonen work for him and then GH getting dropped it made me
change my whole outlook on his PR chances. top5 to top 10 guy, hell yes.

not

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top 2 though, help or no help.

I'm not trying to make excuses for him, even though he beat a (supposedly)
better Boonen in a sprint this time. My point was that he did attack, and
not just follow wheels, which has been a common criticism of him in the
past. He also attacked in Flanders = good as well. You don't know if a break
will work unless you try one, and it was a good time to go, and he was with
good company.

As for the future, who knows? Certainly no-one in RBR got close to
predicting the P-R podium. As Museeuw said, everyone's so close at the top
now that no-one really stands out.

Jeff

you got the prediction part right we were way off going with the givens. who
woulda thunk.
im still amazed at how big magnus is and his ability to race the bike. he
makes eros poli look like a midget.

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the woulda-coulda-shoulda with george is just getting old.
after watching boonen work for him and then GH getting dropped it made

me

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change my whole outlook on his PR chances. top5 to top 10 guy, hell yes.

not

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top 2 though, help or no help.

I'm not trying to make excuses for him, even though he beat a (supposedly)
better Boonen in a sprint this time. My point was that he did attack, and
not just follow wheels, which has been a common criticism of him in the
past. He also attacked in Flanders = good as well. You don't know if a

break

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will work unless you try one, and it was a good time to go, and he was

with

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good company.

As for the future, who knows? Certainly no-one in RBR got close to
predicting the P-R podium. As Museeuw said, everyone's so close at the top
now that no-one really stands out.

Jeff

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you got the prediction part right we were way off going with the givens.

who

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woulda thunk.

<shameless brag>

We only did three pre-race interviews:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2004/worldcup04/roubaix04/?id=features/magnu
s_backstedt
http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2004/worldcup04/roubaix04/?id=features/roger
_hammond1

alas, Bartoli let us down (but his teammate got second)
http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2004/worldcup04/roubaix04/?id=features/miche
le_bartoli

</shameless brag>

Now we'll be accused of race fixing :-)

Jeff

JTN said:

the woulda-coulda-shoulda with george is just getting old.
after watching boonen work for him and then GH getting dropped it
made me change my whole outlook on his PR chances. top5 to top 10
guy, hell yes. not top 2 though, help or no help.

he would do better going for the rolling TDF stages that have a bit
of an incline to break the group. too bad that wont happen before
2005.

Don't agree with you about George just getting old. He's 30. That's when
Museeuw won the first of his 3 P-Rs.

Look at the last 10 winners of P-R and their ages-

Magnus Båcksted 29 (a relative baby)
VAN PETEGEM 33
Johan MUSEEUW 36
Servais KNAVEN 31
Johan MUSEEUW 34
Andrea TAFI 33
Franco BALLERINI 33
Frédéric GUESDON 29
Johan MUSEEUW 30
Franco BALLERINI 30

In George's own (pre P-R) words, he's got a little less juice when it comes
to sprints because he's been working on his climbing, and it shows. Hincapie
is amazing when he becomes the first stege to launch Armstrong up a
mountain. It seems that he always pulls much longer than expected.

I think when Armstrong retires, we'll be able to see whether or not George
has that little extra he seems to be searching for in the classics. After
all, when was the last time Museeuw made preparing for the TdF and then
giving 100% there every day (not just trying for the occasional stage win),
a centerpiece of his season?

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the woulda-coulda-shoulda with george is just getting old.
after watching boonen work for him and then GH getting dropped it made me
change my whole outlook on his PR chances.

I guess I may be alone in thinking that Boonen rode that part because it was
the *wrong* place to make a move, and thus George would tire, removing a
threat to Johann. Silly me.
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Bonne route,

Sandy
Paris FR

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<shameless brag>

We only did three pre-race interviews:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2004/worldcup04/roubaix04/?id=features/ma
gnu s_backstedt
http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2004/worldcup04/roubaix04/?id=features/ro
ger _hammond1

alas, Bartoli let us down (but his teammate got second)

Errrr, I thought Tristan Hoffman (CSC not Fasa Bortolo) got second.

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2004/worldcup04/roubaix04/?id=features/mi
che le_bartoli

</shameless brag>

Now we'll be accused of race fixing :-)

Jeff

I noticed that also.
I thought you must either have your own personal oracle or just be good at
picking those on blazing form for your interviews 🙂

- Boyd S.

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alas, Bartoli let us down (but his teammate got second)

Errrr, I thought Tristan Hoffman (CSC not Fasa Bortolo) got second.

He did. Bartoli also rides for CSC.

We get lucky sometimes ;-)

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the woulda-coulda-shoulda with george is just getting old.
after watching boonen work for him and then GH getting dropped it
made me change my whole outlook on his PR chances.

I guess I may be alone in thinking that Boonen rode that part because
it was the *wrong* place to make a move, and thus George would tire,
removing a threat to Johann. Silly me.

You're not alone. When Boonen announced pre-race that he was working solely
for Museeuw this P-R, I assumed that his break was an effort to drag down a
couple of guys with him. It took Hincapie and Flecha out of the running.
That could explain how such a "dangerous break" could suddenly wind up back
in the group without any of us (including Eurosports, France2, OLN, dutch
tv) seeing it coming, With PVP out of the group having flatted, and most of
the group (not Museeuw of course) trying to keep the 3 man break from
succeeding, Boonen could have stopped doing his share when he figured he
tired out George and Flecha enough to no longer be a threat to Museeuw.
Darned good tactics too. Shame Museeuw flatted 🙁