End bars mounted inside the shifters?

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Bike is a Raleigh M-80. I ride roads for now, look forward to
advancing to the kind of stuff you single track warriors are
doing.

But my beginners question of the day has to do with the end bars
I've mounted. I'm thinking I'd like to mount them inboard of the
shifters. Any strong reason not to do so?

Thanks,

Mike

lack of control?

Pagey

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Bike is a Raleigh M-80. I ride roads for now, look forward to
advancing to the kind of stuff you single track warriors are
doing.

But my beginners question of the day has to do with the end

bars

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I've mounted. I'm thinking I'd like to mount them inboard of

the

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shifters. Any strong reason not to do so?

Thanks,

Mike

lack of control?

Let me phrase my question another way. Have any of you ever seen
intelligent, experienced riders mount them this way?

Mike

mikeg said:

Bike is a Raleigh M-80. I ride roads for now, look forward to
advancing to the kind of stuff you single track warriors are
doing.

But my beginners question of the day has to do with the end bars
I've mounted. I'm thinking I'd like to mount them inboard of the
shifters. Any strong reason not to do so?

Nope -- give it a try and see how you like it.

Bill "seen it only once, but made some sense" S.

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Bike is a Raleigh M-80. I ride roads for now, look forward to
advancing to the kind of stuff you single track warriors are
doing.

But my beginners question of the day has to do with the end

bars

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Quoted message said:

I've mounted. I'm thinking I'd like to mount them inboard of

the

Quoted message said:

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shifters. Any strong reason not to do so?

Thanks,

Mike

lack of control?

Let me phrase my question another way. Have any of you ever seen
intelligent, experienced riders mount them this way?

Mike

Personally, no. I've never done any technical stuff, but when you're doing
30 mph+ on very rough track, (loadsa rocks,) then you need all the controll
you need on the bike. I used to have bar ends on my old bike and I used to
do a lot a singletrack and the only time I even used the bar ends was
climbing, and that was about it.

Pagey.

P.S. I'm sure someone will explain it better thanme.

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Bike is a Raleigh M-80. I ride roads for now, look forward to
advancing to the kind of stuff you single track warriors are
doing.

But my beginners question of the day has to do with the end

bars

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I've mounted. I'm thinking I'd like to mount them inboard of

the

Quoted message said:

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shifters. Any strong reason not to do so?

Thanks,

Mike

lack of control?

Let me phrase my question another way. Have any of you ever seen
intelligent, experienced riders mount them this way?

If you were intelligent or experienced you'd know that they're called
bar ends. Mount them whereever you like.

Greg
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Before it is too late
The battles we fought were long and hard
Just not to be consumed by rock'n'roll

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Bike is a Raleigh M-80. I ride roads for now, look forward to
advancing to the kind of stuff you single track warriors are
doing.

But my beginners question of the day has to do with the end bars
I've mounted. I'm thinking I'd like to mount them inboard of the
shifters. Any strong reason not to do so?

Thanks,

Mike

End bars, or bar ends are designed for use while climbing, weight transfer,
etc.
While doing so your working harder, so narrowing your arms and elbows inward
will make breathing less efficient.
You want your arms and elbows out in a big C shape.

Sounds like what you've invented are what roadies call aerobars.

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Bike is a Raleigh M-80. I ride roads for now, look forward to
advancing to the kind of stuff you single track warriors are
doing.

But my beginners question of the day has to do with the end

bars

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I've mounted. I'm thinking I'd like to mount them inboard of

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

shifters. Any strong reason not to do so?

Thanks,

Mike

End bars, or bar ends are designed for use while climbing,

weight transfer,

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etc.
While doing so your working harder, so narrowing your arms and

elbows inward

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will make breathing less efficient.
You want your arms and elbows out in a big C shape.

Sounds like what you've invented are what roadies call aerobars.

Thanks for the input. Guess I'm a roadie - on a mountain bike

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Bike is a Raleigh M-80. I ride roads for now, look forward to
advancing to the kind of stuff you single track warriors are
doing.

But my beginners question of the day has to do with the end bars
I've mounted. I'm thinking I'd like to mount them inboard of the
shifters. Any strong reason not to do so?

Thanks,

Mike

End bars, or bar ends are designed for use while climbing, weight transfer,
etc.
While doing so your working harder, so narrowing your arms and elbows inward
will make breathing less efficient.
You want your arms and elbows out in a big C shape.

[censored]. That is nothing but myth and legend. Please don't spread it.
If it made breathing less efficient roadies would be running 60cm
handlebars on climbing stages rather than 44cm bars.

Greg
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Destroy your safe and happy lives
Before it is too late
The battles we fought were long and hard
Just not to be consumed by rock'n'roll

It be a freak and to slow and hard to reach the brakes
and shifters. Out of control.

I MTB 2004

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End bars, or bar ends are designed for use while climbing, weight
transfer,
etc.
While doing so your working harder, so narrowing your arms and elbows
inward
will make breathing less efficient.
You want your arms and elbows out in a big C shape.

[censored]. That is nothing but myth and legend. Please don't spread it.
If it made breathing less efficient roadies would be running 60cm
handlebars on climbing stages rather than 44cm bars.

Greg

Yeah, once I put my hands right next to the stem
on a climb and almost passed out because I wasn't
getting enough oxygen....

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Bike is a Raleigh M-80. I ride roads for now, look forward to
advancing to the kind of stuff you single track warriors are
doing.

But my beginners question of the day has to do with the end bars
I've mounted. I'm thinking I'd like to mount them inboard of the
shifters. Any strong reason not to do so?

Thanks,

Mike

i have done it, in fact i stack one set on the end of another, but it was to
try to make a sort of aero bar for a comute bike. can be done, but for off
road i dont see the point....

panda

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It be a freak and to slow and hard to reach the brakes
and shifters. Out of control.

I MTB 2004

That was the point I was trying to make. Maybr it might work, but tbh it
seems very impractical and maybe a little uncontrollable. Maybe shortening
the bars and mounting the bar ends on the end may have the desirable effect
for him, but more controllable.

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It be a freak and to slow and hard to reach

the brakes

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and shifters. Out of control.

I MTB 2004

That was the point I was trying to make. Maybr it might work,

but tbh it

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seems very impractical and maybe a little uncontrollable. Maybe

shortening

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the bars and mounting the bar ends on the end may have the

desirable effect

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for him, but more controllable.

I think that's where I'm going with this. Bar is 27" wide. Think
I'll shorten to 25" and remount on the ends.

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It be a freak and to slow and hard to reach

the brakes

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and shifters. Out of control.

I MTB 2004

That was the point I was trying to make. Maybr it might work,

but tbh it

Quoted message said:

seems very impractical and maybe a little uncontrollable. Maybe

shortening

Quoted message said:

the bars and mounting the bar ends on the end may have the

desirable effect

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for him, but more controllable.

I think that's where I'm going with this. Bar is 27" wide. Think
I'll shorten to 25" and remount on the ends.

Probably your safest bet anyways. Good luck 🙂

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It be a freak and to slow and hard to reach

the brakes

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and shifters. Out of control.

I MTB 2004

That was the point I was trying to make. Maybr it might work,

but tbh it

Quoted message said:

seems very impractical and maybe a little uncontrollable. Maybe

shortening

Quoted message said:

the bars and mounting the bar ends on the end may have the

desirable effect

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for him, but more controllable.

I think that's where I'm going with this. Bar is 27" wide. Think
I'll shorten to 25" and remount on the ends.

Why you do this thing ?

Be very careful that you don't cut it too short ! ! !

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Any strong reason not to do so?

I'd turn it around and ask why do it?

For me, at least, one function of the bar ends is to give me more reach when
climbing. To the extent that they're outboard of my shoulder line, that helps
add more reach....which means that the rest of the bars can be closer in.

OTOH, I just started using the things and only use them for climbing or to
streatch out a little on a smooth flat. Whenever I really need a grip, I'm
holding the bars themselves. Maybe I've got to give the inboard mounting a
try.

One possibility: it seems like the brakes might be more quickly accessable -
especially when riding with the palms on the bars and the fingers spread out
over the bar ends....you'd just slide your fingers down and back in one motion
rather that having to un-curl the fingers from the bar end, pull them inwards to
clear the bar end, and then grab the brake.
--
PeteCresswell

mikeg said:

Bike is a Raleigh M-80. I ride roads for now, look forward to
advancing to the kind of stuff you single track warriors are
doing.

But my beginners question of the day has to do with the end bars
I've mounted. I'm thinking I'd like to mount them inboard of the
shifters. Any strong reason not to do so?

Thanks,

Mike

The very first "bar-End" style handle bar add-ons were in fact designed
to be mounted inboard, just as you suggest. They were the Moots Road
Handles: http://derbyking.com/Detail/?n=55
These came out several years before Syncros invented the Steerhorns (the
first true bar-ends), promptly followed by OnZa. OnZa's bar-ends were
the first to reach a wide audience, though, so they can probably be
accurately credited with popularizing the concept.

Anyhow, there are (or have been) several roadie bar-inboards on the
market, such as the Cinelli Spinacci or the Profile Hammers.

There is nothing particularly wrong with the concept, but all of the
bar-inboards have a common design goal- to make the rider more
aerodynamic. None will improve your climbing. For that, you should
leave them on the bar ends, where they will give you a lot of leverage.

miles

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Maybe I've got to give the inboard mounting a
try.

Tried it last nite. No-go.

- The bar ends contend with brake levers in such a way as to restrict thier position

- The resulting width is too narrow to feel secure on a bumpy climb.

I did like the ease of moving hand to brake though....