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  1. Greece is spending many BILLIONS of dollars on the Olympics, and they will
    be in debt for decades. Los Angeles is still paying for their Olympics 20
    years ago! Every four years some nation spends billions for what?? The
    Olympics are hardly more than a charade. Most of the athletes either were
    juicing at some point, or still are with advanced masking agents. So what is
    the point?? Not just of hosting the Olympics, but of supporting these
    arrogant athletes who never work and must be fed, clothed, and housed year
    after year??

    Hundreds of Millions of dollars are spent in the USA just housing these
    illiterate scumbags. WHY??? What for?? Who cares about any of the stupid
    records that they compete for??? Is it worth spending so much money??

    ALL THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS could be spent on education of children,
    instead of supporting jocks. I think that the OLYMPICS are a totally
    wasteful by-product of the past. They are a dinosaur, and they need to be
    scaled back to their original size. Synchronized Swimming? Ballroom Dancing?
    etc.?? It is not only that 35% of the events are not even SPORTS, but these
    folks participating are all getting a free ride on the TAXPAYER! Your Tax
    Dollar is paying for all this. You are buying them their vitamins, their
    protein shakes, their Creatine, and their steroids.

  2. "Joe Morgan" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Greece is spending many BILLIONS of dollars on the Olympics, and they
    will be in debt for decades. Los Angeles is still paying for their
    Olympics 20 years ago!

    The 1984 Los Angeles Olympics produced a profit of $225M.

  3. Joe Morgan says:

    <snip rant>

    'Sammatta, Joe - didn't make the team this time around?

    Steve

  4. On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:51:10 GMT, "Joe Morgan" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    ..Greece is spending many BILLIONS of dollars on the Olympics, and they will
    ..be in debt for decades. Los Angeles is still paying for their Olympics 20
    ..years ago! Every four years some nation spends billions for what?? The
    ..Olympics are hardly more than a charade. Most of the athletes either were
    ..juicing at some point, or still are with advanced masking agents. So what is
    ..the point?? Not just of hosting the Olympics, but of supporting these
    ..arrogant athletes who never work and must be fed, clothed, and housed year
    ..after year??
    ..
    ..Hundreds of Millions of dollars are spent in the USA just housing these
    ..illiterate scumbags. WHY??? What for?? Who cares about any of the stupid
    ..records that they compete for??? Is it worth spending so much money??
    ..
    ..ALL THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS could be spent on education of children,
    ..instead of supporting jocks. I think that the OLYMPICS are a totally
    ..wasteful by-product of the past. They are a dinosaur, and they need to be
    ..scaled back to their original size. Synchronized Swimming? Ballroom Dancing?
    ..etc.?? It is not only that 35% of the events are not even SPORTS, but these
    ..folks participating are all getting a free ride on the TAXPAYER! Your Tax
    ..Dollar is paying for all this. You are buying them their vitamins, their
    ..protein shakes, their Creatine, and their steroids.

    AMEN. And don't forget the destruction of the environment:

    August 11, 1997
    Juan Antonio Samaranch
    President, International Olympic Committee
    Chateau de Vidy
    1007 Lausanne, Switzerland

    Katia Mascagni Stivachtis, Chief, Section of Environmental Affairs
    Department of International Cooperation and Public Information
    International Olympic Committee
    Chateau de Vidy
    1007 Lausanne, Switzerland

    Gentlepersons:

    I was delighted to learn (from your web page) that protection
    of the environment (after sports and culture) is now one of the
    main goals of the Olympics. The visibility and prestige of the
    Olympics give you enormous responsibility, especially toward young
    people, who will be strongly influenced by what they see. As you
    well know, nonverbal learning is very powerful, and is for many
    people (e.g. preliterate children) the primary means by which the
    Olympics teaches them about sports, culture, and the environment.
    People, especially children, assume that what they see on
    television, especially in the Olympics, is proper.
    __________________________

    Therefore, I was shocked, saddened, and embarrassed when I
    discovered that mountain biking has been accepted as an Olympic
    sport. I am enclosing several papers in which I explain in detail
    the harm that mountain biking inflicts on wildlife. But I will try
    to summarize that information here.

    We are in the midst of a worldwide extinction crisis.
    According to the IUCN (International Union for the Conservation of
    Nature and Natural Resources), one fourth of all of the world's
    animals are threatened with extinction. The primary threat is loss
    of habitat. Such loss includes obvious, outright destruction, such
    as clearcutting and open-pit mining, but also the excessive
    presence of humans, which often causes wildlife to abandon their
    preferred habitat. In either case, the wildlife lose access to
    important resources, such as certain food sources and potential
    mates. When judging effects on wildlife, it is essential to look at
    the situation from their point of view, not ours. If they abandon
    _____ ____
    an area, the habitat is effectively destroyed for them, regardless
    of what we think.
    __

    The primary reason why mountain biking is harmful to wildlife,
    thus, is that it makes it much easier for people to get into
    ____
    wildlife habitat. Mountain bikers don't just show up at the
    Olympics to race. They have to spend many hours training. And where
    do they prefer to ride? In wilderness (wildlife habitat). And what
    __________
    kind of trail do they prefer to ride on? "Single-track" trails,
    which are primarily in wilderness, or at least the most natural
    part of any area. That is also, of course, the area preferred by
    wildlife. The Olympics are a powerful motivator. When people see a
    sport in the Olympics, they identify with the athletes and want to
    participate in the sport. Thus, by simply including mountain biking
    in the Olympics, you unleash a tidal wave of people buying mountain
    bikes, flooding parks and wilderness areas, and participating in
    races. As is usual when there is an increase in recreation,
    wildlife lose more and more of their (already dangerously
    dwindling) habitat.

    The bicycle is a wonderful tool, but like any technological
    aid, it can be used for good (e.g. to replace auto travel) or evil
    (e.g. to expand man's domination of wildlife habitat). Similar
    damage arises from the use of the use of other technologies, such

    as climbing aids (extending man's reach onto cliffs), rafts (giving
    people access to the entire length of a river), night-vision
    goggles (making night-time access to habitat easier), etc.
    Throughout our evolution, technological aids (e.g. guns, the
    internal combustion engine, etc.) have given us vastly more power
    than any other species, and the more we have wielded them, the more
    damage we have done. You had the right idea when you banned sports
    that "depend essentially on mechanical propulsion". Technological
    aids have no place (or at most a minor place) in Olympic sports,
    which are based on simple physical activities like walking and
    swimming that measure the physical (e.g. strength and health) and
    spiritual (e.g. sportsmanship) dimensions of a human being, not of
    ___
    his or her tools.

    Many mountain bikers also lack sportsmanship. They insist on
    riding even when their enjoyment conflicts with that of wildlife
    and other people. Elderly hikers are being driven off of hiking
    trails they have enjoyed all their lives. Threatened species have
    been killed by bikers, who then try to pretend that it didn't
    happen or was insignificant. Anyone who speaks out against mountain
    biking is attacked viciously, as I have been and continue to be. My
    physical safety and that of my family have been threatened, for
    simply telling the truth about the effects of mountain biking on
    wildlife. Many mountain bikers seem to see their goal as conquering
    anything and anyone in their path. I haven't seen such a lack of
    sportsmanship in any other sport (with the exception of
    professional wrestling and one infamous instance in ice skating).

    Mountain biking also destroys vast numbers of organisms that
    live in and on soil, creating devastating erosion. One Olympic
    hopeful, for example, trained in Brown's Woods, DesMoines, Iowa,
    where habitat destruction was so bad that the county was forced to
    close the park to bikes. The knobby tires used by virtually all
    mountain bikers are perfectly designed to rip up the soil and kill
    the plants and animals that live there. They insist on using those
    tires even though they don't need that much traction unless they
    are traveling at excessive speed, or riding on steep slopes or wet
    ground where biking is inappropriate.

    The Earth's environmental problems are so huge that they will
    not be solved without all of us doing our part. I appreciate that
    you are striving to do your part, and are re-examining the Olympics
    ____
    with the environment in mind. I hope you will consider dropping
    mountain biking as an Olympic sport, and take another look at all
    the other sports (e.g. canoeing, which also intrudes into important
    wildlife habitat) from the point of view of wildlife.

    Sincerely,

    Michael J. Vandeman, Ph.D.

    P.S. A larger issue, of course, is whether an activity that
    requires the long-distance travel of thousands of people can ever
    ____
    be sustainable. I suggest that you recognize that the Earth's oil
    supplies will soon be exhausted (estimated by the experts at about
    2040), and create a committee to begin planning for it. (E.g., how
    do we want to make use of the oil that is left? Burn it up?!).
    Every organization should have such a committee!
    _____

    References:

    Ehrlich, Paul and Anne, Extinction: The Causes and Consequences of
    __________________________________________
    the Disappearance of Species. c.1981.
    ____________________________

    Knight, Richard L. and Kevin J. Gutzwiller, eds. Wildlife and
    ____________
    Recreationists. Covelo, California: Island Press, c.1995.
    ______________

    Phillips, Kathryn, Tracking the Vanishing Frogs: An Ecological
    ___________________________________________
    Mystery. New York: St. Martin's Press, 1994.
    ____________________________________________

    Stebbins, Robert, personal communication.

    Vandeman, Michael J., Ph.D.
    http://www.imaja.com/change/environment/mvarticles/

    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

  5. On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:00:11 GMT, Brett Jaffee <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    .."Joe Morgan" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    ..news:[email hidden]:
    ..
    ..> Greece is spending many BILLIONS of dollars on the Olympics, and they
    ..> will be in debt for decades. Los Angeles is still paying for their
    ..> Olympics 20 years ago!
    ..
    ..The 1984 Los Angeles Olympics produced a profit of $225M.

    And that makes it okay???
    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

  6. MV says:

    Quoted message said:

    August 11, 1997
    Juan Antonio Samaranch
    President, International Olympic Committee

    Don't see that it did much good there, Mikey - but then again nor has anything
    else you've tried to do, so I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

    Steve

  7. "Stephen Baker" Don't see that it did much good there, Mikey - but then
    again nor has anything else you've tried to do, so I suppose I shouldn't be
    surprised.

    Quoted message said:

    you sound (or read) like a smug cocksucking [censored]. Go shove a hamster up
    your ass, [censored].

  8. Joe Morgan wrote:
    <snip>

    Quoted message said:


    Hundreds of Millions of dollars are spent in the USA just housing
    these illiterate scumbags. WHY??? What for?? Who cares about any of
    the stupid records that they compete for??? Is it worth spending so
    much money??

    I'm actually good friends with one of these scumbags (Atlanta MTB bronze
    medal winner) and she is in fact quite literate.
    Since I know that sweeping generalization is false, why should I believe any
    of the rest of your rant?

    Matt

  9. Joe Morgan wrote:

    Normally I wouldn't bother, but you seem like fun.

    Quoted message said:

    Greece is spending many BILLIONS of dollars on the Olympics, and they will
    be in debt for decades.

    Well, firstly it was Greece's decision to bid for the games. If they were
    going to lose money hand over fist, they wouldn't have bothered. As it is,
    the Olympic committee are predicting that the Athens games will still turn
    in a profit.

    Quoted message said:

    Los Angeles is still paying for their Olympics 20
    years ago!

    As somebody else has already pointed out, the LA games turned in a profit.

    Quoted message said:

    Every four years some nation spends billions for what??

    Profit, improvement of infrastructure, the opportunity to promote their
    country both to possible foreign investors and tourists - the advantage of
    which can not be measured.

    Quoted message said:

    The Olympics are hardly more than a charade. Most of the athletes either
    were juicing at some point, or still are with advanced masking agents.

    And you have proof of this, do you?

    Quoted message said:

    So what is the point?? Not just of hosting the Olympics, but of
    supporting these arrogant athletes who never work and must be fed,
    clothed, and housed year after year??

    How are you suggesting that you support athletes? The Olympics are
    amateur. I'm not sure how it works in your country, but the athletes that
    I'm aware of make their money through sponsorship, appearance fees and
    winnings. If you don't want to support them, don't go and watch and don't
    buy sports clothing.

    Quoted message said:

    Hundreds of Millions of dollars are spent in the USA just housing these
    illiterate scumbags. WHY??? What for?? Who cares about any of the stupid
    records that they compete for??? Is it worth spending so much money??

    ALL THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS could be spent on education of children,
    instead of supporting jocks.

    Even if the US does support its athletes through government spending
    (which I'm disinclined to believe), does it really run in to hundreds of
    millions, or is that just another figure you've plucked out your [censored]?
    Anyway, the figures in comparison to other government expenditure. I don't
    want to get too political, but have you any idea how much the US gives to
    Israel in military aid?

    Quoted message said:

    I think that the OLYMPICS are a totally
    wasteful by-product of the past. They are a dinosaur, and they need to
    be scaled back to their original size. Synchronized Swimming?

    Ever tried synchronised swimming? Give it a try and then tell me it
    doesn't require athletic ability, co-ordination and skill.

    Quoted message said:

    Ballroom Dancing? etc.??

    Ballroom dancing isn't an Olympic sport.

    Quoted message said:

    It is not only that 35% of the events are not even
    SPORTS,

    35% based on whose calculations?

    Quoted message said:

    but these folks participating are all getting a free ride on the
    TAXPAYER! Your Tax Dollar is paying for all this. You are buying them
    their vitamins, their protein shakes, their Creatine, and their steroids.

    And what about the positive role that athletes perform? Anything that
    encourages your obese kids to get off their arses and do some exercise
    can't be a bad thing.

  10. Joe M says:

    Quoted message said:

    you sound (or read) like a smug cocksucking [censored]. Go shove a hamster up
    your ass, [censored].

    Don't judge others by your own standards, Joey.

  11. "Joe Morgan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Stephen Baker" Don't see that it did much good there, Mikey - but then
    again nor has anything else you've tried to do, so I suppose I shouldn't


    be

    Quoted message said:

    surprised.

    Quoted message said:

    you sound (or read) like a smug cocksucking [censored]. Go shove a hamster up
    your ass, [censored].

    Why, did it do anything for you?

    Shaun aRe

  12. Mike Vandeman said:

    On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:00:11 GMT, Brett Jaffee
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    ."Joe Morgan" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    .news:[email hidden]:
    .
    .> Greece is spending many BILLIONS of dollars on the Olympics, and
    they .> will be in debt for decades. Los Angeles is still paying for
    their .> Olympics 20 years ago!
    .
    .The 1984 Los Angeles Olympics produced a profit of $225M.

    And that makes it okay???

    If this doesn't epitomize the Mad Do(r)c's reading comprehension and
    debating skills, I don't know what would.

    Bill "well done; bravo" S.

  13. Joe Morgan said:

    "Stephen Baker" Don't see that it did much good there, Mikey - but
    then again nor has anything else you've tried to do, so I suppose I
    shouldn't be surprised.

    Quoted message said:

    you sound (or read) like a smug cocksucking [censored]. Go shove a
    hamster up your ass, [censored].

    Finally, a Voice of Reason in this misguided newsgroup.

    Bill "Joe Morgan -- wasn't he a second baseman?" S.

  14. Joe Morgan said:

    "Stephen Baker" Don't see that it did much good there, Mikey - but then
    again nor has anything else you've tried to do, so I suppose I shouldn't be
    surprised.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    you sound (or read) like a smug cocksucking [censored]. Go shove a hamster up
    your ass, [censored].

    Sorry, being from the UK I'm struggling to understand the
    dialect you're speaking.

    Let's step through this.

    "you sound (or read)". Capitalisation missing at the start of
    the sentance. My grammar and syntax is hardly red hot though so I can't
    really nit-pick over that.

    "like a smug cocksucking [censored]". Cocksucking? Does this relate
    to poultry eating? [censored] appears in my cookbook as a pork-based dish and
    the dictionary on my desk suggests alternative meaning of a tied bundle
    of twigs or a bundle or iron bars.

    That suggests the first of your sentances would translate to
    standard English as "You sound (or in this text-based instance read)
    like a conceited chicken eating bundle of sticks".

    Your second sentance is fairly clear in terms of words if not
    intention. It gives instruction to thrust a small mammal "up" a donkey
    or mule or maybe a female dog.

    Does this mean you'd like the hamster fed to the other animals
    in question or does the "up" refer to them using the hamster as a step
    to make them taller?

    If you'll forgive the paraphrasing, "You sound like a conceited
    chicken eating bundle of sticks. Make a small horse stand on a hamster"
    is a funny statement.

    I wish you every sucess in your career as a translator to
    English of consumer electronics manuals from Korean.
    --
    Tim.

  15. Sorni says:

    Quoted message said:

    Finally, a Voice of Reason in this misguided newsgroup.

    I'm trying to think of an answer for that one, but have so far miserably failed
    to find something humourous and cutting, so you'll have to wait, Bill.....

  16. On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:29:01 GMT, Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    AMEN. And don't forget the destruction of the environment:

    August 11, 1997
    Juan Antonio Samaranch
    President, International Olympic Committee
    Chateau de Vidy
    1007 Lausanne, Switzerland

    Katia Mascagni Stivachtis, Chief, Section of Environmental Affairs
    Department of International Cooperation and Public Information
    International Olympic Committee
    Chateau de Vidy
    1007 Lausanne, Switzerland

    Gentlepersons:

    I was delighted to learn (from your web page) that protection

    Mikey:

    In your SEVEN YEAR OLD letter you repeatedly post here for unexplained
    reasons, and possibly are sending over and over again to the
    addressees as well, you talk about looking at their website.

    Do you know how stupid you look by addressing it to the FORMER
    President of the IOC?

    The current President, since 16 July 2001, is Jacques Rogge, of
    Belgium.

    If the very beginning of your letter is so poorly researched, why
    should anyone bother reading further, since it is likely to be SEVEN
    YEARS OUT OF DATE.

    Too bad you are too lazy to update your babbling. Each passing year
    makes it more and more amusing.

    But it is not really about the environment with you, is it?

    Happy trails,
    Gary (net.yogi.bear)
    ------------------------------------------------
    at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence

    Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA
    Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

  17. Stephen Baker said:

    Sorni says:

    Quoted message said:

    Finally, a Voice of Reason in this misguided newsgroup.

    I'm trying to think of an answer for that one, but have so far
    miserably failed to find something humourous and cutting, so you'll
    have to wait, Bill.....

    For the hamster to emerge?!? 🙂

    Bill "of course, you SNIPPED that reference, but at least WE know what's
    what" S.

  18. "Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    There you go again, posting your own drivel as support for your own drivel.
    You should at least flag your drivel as being opinion and not fact.

  19. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    Greece is spending many BILLIONS of dollars on the Olympics, and they will
    be in debt for decades. Los Angeles is still paying for their Olympics 20
    years ago! Every four years some nation spends billions for what?? The
    Olympics are hardly more than a charade. Most of the athletes either were
    juicing at some point, or still are with advanced masking agents. So what is
    the point?? Not just of hosting the Olympics, but of supporting these
    arrogant athletes who never work and must be fed, clothed, and housed year
    after year??

    Hundreds of Millions of dollars are spent in the USA just housing these
    illiterate scumbags. WHY??? What for?? Who cares about any of the stupid
    records that they compete for??? Is it worth spending so much money??

    All those billions went into someones pocket, that's why. In Greece I
    think it happens to be the mob.

    --
    _________________________
    Chris Phillipo - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
    http://www.ramsays-online.com

  20. "Joe Morgan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Stephen Baker" Don't see that it did much good there, Mikey - but then
    again nor has anything else you've tried to do, so I suppose I shouldn't


    be

    Quoted message said:

    surprised.

    Quoted message said:

    you sound (or read) like a smug cocksucking [censored]. Go shove a hamster up
    your ass, [censored].

    Wow, I guess he told you off, but I bet you don't loose any sleep over it
    :<😉

    Hey Joe, if you people hate the Olympics so much, just don't go, I bet they
    will miss you.
    Mike, are you going to allow one of your buddies to treat hamsters this
    way?

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