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  1. My vision is fine beyond about 5 feet, but I need reading glasses for
    anything closer. It's classic old fart presbyopia, a little worse than
    average because I started out farsighted. I use half-frame reading glasses,
    but I don't want to wear them on my bike. I'd rather use normal sunglasses,
    and I'd like to avoid having to buy expensive bifocal sunglasses.

    My current (10 year old) Cateye has a very small, somewhat low contrast
    display, and it's getting to the point where it's very tough to read
    through my fuzzy closeup vision. So I'm looking for a replacement. I know
    it's always going to be blurry with my eyesight being what it is these
    days, but there has to be something that's a little easier to read through
    the blur.

    Which current brand and model has the biggest, clearest numbers in the
    display? I saw someone mention the Planetbike Protege series in another
    thread. It looks good in the web site photos but I haven't seen it in
    person, and I can't tell if the numbers are actually bigger, or they're
    just using the display area to show more information. Maybe there is
    something else that doesn't have a huge display area, but has very large
    numbers? It's hard to tell from looking at web site photos of all the
    different brands, and my LBS only carries a few of them.

    Also, display issues aside... what do y'all think about alternative
    mounting locations to put the cyclometer in my range of focus? I've thought
    about mounting it down on the front fork, but that's probably a damage-
    prone location. Another idea might be to put fenders on the bike (I've been
    thinking about doing that anyway), and then sticking the computer on top of
    the front fender.... assuming I could see it past the handlebars. That
    would be a more protected location, compared to the fork. Has anyone here
    tried something like this?

    Yet another goofy idea would be to get clip-on aero bars (which I really
    don't need, and would look a little silly on this bike), just to have a
    place to stick the computer out where I could read it.

    --
    Mike Barrs

  2. foldedpath said:

    My vision is fine beyond about 5 feet, but I need reading glasses for
    anything closer. It's classic old fart presbyopia, a little worse than
    average because I started out farsighted.

    Sounds too familiar. I'm getting close to this.

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:

    Also, display issues aside... what do y'all think about alternative
    mounting locations to put the cyclometer in my range of focus?

    There's not much in the way of choices, but there may be a different
    option, at least for daylight rides. I've seen someone who has a
    piece of Fresnel lens bracketed about an inch above his display's
    face; it makes the whole thing appear about 25% larger, and seems to
    have made the difference for him.

    Quoted message said:

    Yet another goofy idea would be to get clip-on aero bars (which I really
    don't need, and would look a little silly on this bike), just to have a
    place to stick the computer out where I could read it.

    Or maybe at the tip of an mtb bar end clamped on at a strategic
    location?
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  3. foldedpath said:
    Quoted message said:


    Which current brand and model has the biggest, clearest numbers in the
    display? I saw someone mention the Planetbike Protege series in another
    thread. It looks good in the web site photos but I haven't seen it in
    person, and I can't tell if the numbers are actually bigger, or they're
    just using the display area to show more information. Maybe there is
    something else that doesn't have a huge display area, but has very large
    numbers? It's hard to tell from looking at web site photos of all the
    different brands, and my LBS only carries a few of them.


    I have the Protege 9.0. The numbers are actually smaller than the one on
    other make/models. The idea of the Protege series is to pack more info
    on one screen so you don't need to press buttons.

    Topeak Panoram v12 seems to have a large display with large numbers.
    http://www.topeak.com/2004/products/computer_001.html

    Quoted message said:

    Yet another goofy idea would be to get clip-on aero bars (which I really
    don't need, and would look a little silly on this bike), just to have a
    place to stick the computer out where I could read it.

    Or a piece of Fresnel magnifying glass mounted 2" above the display?

  4. foldedpath <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    I'd rather use normal sunglasses,
    and I'd like to avoid having to buy expensive bifocal sunglasses.

    FWIW, I'm in the same shape (bifocal), but I use less expensive single
    vision persc. sunglasses for riding.

    --
    Peder (Please reply to group only, email invalid)

  5. Peder said:

    foldedpath <[email hidden]> wrote in news:Xns951F6084455-
    [email hidden]:news:Xns951F608445549mbarrsNOSPAMni-
    [email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    I'd rather use normal sunglasses, and I'd like to avoid having to buy
    expensive bifocal sunglasses.


    FWIW, I'm in the same shape (bifocal), but I use less expensive single
    vision persc. sunglasses for riding.
    --
    Peder (Please reply to group only, email invalid)

    How about thos self-adhesive non-perscription inserts you stick to the
    inside of sunglasses? If regular non-perscription reading glasses work
    for you, these will too.

    They are reusable, just wash in water and use a drop of water to secure
    to the next pair.

    REI has them in various strengths.

    --

  6. "Weisse Luft" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    How about thos self-adhesive non-perscription inserts you stick to the
    inside of sunglasses? If regular non-perscription reading glasses work
    for you, these will too.

    They are reusable, just wash in water and use a drop of water to secure
    to the next pair.

    The beauty of those is you can cut a piece, and make a small bifocal area just
    on one lens. As for big displays, I think the Planet Bike has a large one.

  7. foldedpath said:

    My vision is fine beyond about 5 feet, but I need reading glasses for
    anything closer.

    I'm not that bad yet but I probably will be right there with
    you in a few more years. 🙁

    Quoted message said:

    Which current brand and model has the biggest, clearest numbers in the
    display?

    I've been looking at a lot of computers lately (though I have
    a different problem of trying to find a backlight). The
    Specialized Elite Turbo Series appears to have large numbers
    for the main display as does the Topeak Panoram V12.

  8. foldedpath said:

    Also, display issues aside... what do y'all think about alternative
    mounting locations to put the cyclometer in my range of focus?

    Mirror on head tube arranged to reflect the cyclometer that's mounted on
    the top tube/down tube/wherever it can be far enough?

  9. David Johnson <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:
    foldedpath said:

    Also, display issues aside... what do y'all think about alternative
    mounting locations to put the cyclometer in my range of focus?

    Mirror on head tube arranged to reflect the cyclometer that's mounted on
    the top tube/down tube/wherever it can be far enough?

    That's a great "thinking outside the box" idea, but I think I would need
    two mirrors to keep the numbers the right way around. But it might actually
    work! I'd just have to keep the mirrors in alignment. I could even mount
    the computer upside-down on the handlebars... hmmmmm.

    BTW, thanks to everyone who jumped in with suggestions. There are a lot of
    good ideas here, and I'll probably end up trying most of them. At some
    point I may even try bifocal contact lenses, but I'm really trying to avoid
    that.

    Remember.... you'll all have to deal with this to some degree, if you stay
    active long enough. Well, either that, or just ditch the computer. But that
    doesn't solve everything. I've had to put a tiny pair of folding half-frame
    reading glasses in the repair kit in my saddle bag, in case I have to deal
    with a field repair of some small part, or a tube patch, when I'm out
    riding.

    There is a real marketing opportunity here. I can't wait to see the "Baby
    Boomer Bike (tm)" with components and bike computer readouts that are EXTRA
    LARGE, so you can see everything.

    --
    Mike Barrs

  10. I've done that, finaly I just had my contacts set for mono-vision and after
    a couple of weeks my eyes and brain adjusted to it to where I can race
    comfortably with the difference in the two eyes.

    "Weisse Luft" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Peder said:

    foldedpath <[email hidden]> wrote in


    news:Xns951F6084455-

    Quoted message said:
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    [email hidden]:news:Xns951F608445549mbarrsNOSPAMni-

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    I'd rather use normal sunglasses, and I'd like to avoid having to


    buy

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    expensive bifocal sunglasses.


    FWIW, I'm in the same shape (bifocal), but I use less expensive single
    vision persc. sunglasses for riding.
    --
    Peder (Please reply to group only, email invalid)

    How about thos self-adhesive non-perscription inserts you stick to the
    inside of sunglasses? If regular non-perscription reading glasses work
    for you, these will too.

    They are reusable, just wash in water and use a drop of water to secure
    to the next pair.

    REI has them in various strengths.

    --

  11. "Peter Cole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<iaZGc.39654$MB3.37635@attbi_s04>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Weisse Luft" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    How about thos self-adhesive non-perscription inserts you stick to the
    inside of sunglasses? If regular non-perscription reading glasses work
    for you, these will too.

    They are reusable, just wash in water and use a drop of water to secure
    to the next pair.

    The beauty of those is you can cut a piece, and make a small bifocal area just
    on one lens. As for big displays, I think the Planet Bike has a large one.

    Dear Weisse and Peter,

    What do you call them? And where the hell are they?

    These non-prescription inserts for sunglasses sound
    like the perfect gift for a friend who's become immune
    to my cruel jokes about his early radial keratotomy and
    now can't read restaurant menus when he forgets his
    reading glasses, but I can't find whatever you're talking
    about at the REI site or at www.planetbike.com.

    (Honest, I don't need them yet--I just take my goggles
    off and peer at small things with one eye closed. Of
    course, if I had these wonder inserts, maybe I could
    see them on the screen.)

    Carl Fogel

  12. "foldedpath" wrote...

    Quoted message said:

    My vision is fine beyond about 5 feet, but I need reading glasses for
    anything closer. It's classic old fart presbyopia, a little worse than
    average because I started out farsighted.

    Oh jeez, for a moment I thought you were talking about narrow minded, retro
    Presbyterians who refuse to use bike computers.

  13. "Jim Flom" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:TG3Hc.12008$eO.2239@edtnps89:

    Quoted message said:

    "foldedpath" wrote...

    Quoted message said:

    My vision is fine beyond about 5 feet, but I need reading glasses for
    anything closer. It's classic old fart presbyopia, a little worse
    than average because I started out farsighted.

    Oh jeez, for a moment I thought you were talking about narrow minded,
    retro Presbyterians who refuse to use bike computers.

    I didn't think of it that way originally... but maybe the phrase "see no
    evil" applies here. Maybe this is a sign from God, that I should stop
    paying so much attention to those numbers?

    --
    Mike Barrs

  14. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    My vision is fine beyond about 5 feet, but I need reading glasses for
    anything closer. It's classic old fart presbyopia, a little worse than
    average because I started out farsighted. I use half-frame reading glasses,
    but I don't want to wear them on my bike. I'd rather use normal sunglasses,
    and I'd like to avoid having to buy expensive bifocal sunglasses.

    My current (10 year old) Cateye has a very small, somewhat low contrast
    display, and it's getting to the point where it's very tough to read
    through my fuzzy closeup vision. <snip>

    If the battery is old, contrast is usually reduced. Try a new battery
    and you may find that your eyes have improved!

    I have the same problem, but I can still read my Cateye Mity 3? I can't
    read a GPS on tour anymore, so being an old fart and completely unaware
    of how I look, I dangle a pair of 2 dioptre small half frame $3 reading
    glasses around my neck on a cord. For short periods, they fit on the end
    of my nose even when the sunglasses are still on. A great way to annoy
    my wife, who retains some vestigial vanity.

    Bruce Graham

  15. Bruce Graham <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:


    My current (10 year old) Cateye has a very small, somewhat low
    contrast display, and it's getting to the point where it's very tough
    to read through my fuzzy closeup vision. <snip>

    If the battery is old, contrast is usually reduced. Try a new battery
    and you may find that your eyes have improved!

    Alas, I've tried that already with no improvement. Actually, I can't see if
    it's improved or not.

    Quoted message said:

    I have the same problem, but I can still read my Cateye Mity 3? I
    can't read a GPS on tour anymore, so being an old fart and completely
    unaware of how I look, I dangle a pair of 2 dioptre small half frame
    $3 reading glasses around my neck on a cord. For short periods, they
    fit on the end of my nose even when the sunglasses are still on. A
    great way to annoy my wife, who retains some vestigial vanity.

    Bruce Graham

    Now here is someone I can relate to. Half frame drugstore glasses on TOP of
    sunglasses. I haven't tried that yet, but I will. Thanks! I have definitely
    reached the point where I'm unaware of how I look on a bike.

    --
    Mike Barrs

  16. Jim Flom said:

    "foldedpath" wrote...

    Quoted message said:

    My vision is fine beyond about 5 feet, but I need reading glasses for
    anything closer. It's classic old fart presbyopia, a little worse than
    average because I started out farsighted.

    Oh jeez, for a moment I thought you were talking about narrow minded, retro
    Presbyterians who refuse to use bike computers.

    Dear Jim,

    No, we may be narrow-minded and retro, but we embrace the
    cyclocomputer technology and the spreadsheets that go with
    it.

    Technically, a good friend and I are both still anointed
    members of the First Presbyterian Church and plague our
    godly mothers about how it's going to hell. There's
    something not quite kosher about women in the pulpit!

    (In our day, the requirements for full membership were
    somewhat less stringent than those of the Puritan
    colony--instead of an inspired consciousness of inward
    grace, the ability to recite the names of the books of the
    Bible in order was judged a sufficient outward sign of our
    predestined salvation. Nowadays, the ability to capitalize
    "Bible" may be enough to admit applicants to the glories of
    full membership.)

    (Is there a Second Presbyterian Church anywhere?)

    Even more technically, presby-opia means old-age
    bad-vision--with age, the lens stiffens and loses its
    ability to contract enough to focus up close.

    Presbyterians are merely the sole true church based on
    government by elders/olders (who never bothered to explain
    to me or my friend what the hell distinguished us from
    Methodists, Baptists, Anglicans, Lutherans, Catholics, or
    other varieties of infidels).

    PRESBYTERIAN, n. One who holds the conviction that the
    government authorities of the Church should be called
    presbyters. --The Devil's Dictionary, Ambrose Bierce

    Carl Fogel

  17. <[email hidden]> wrote...

    Quoted message said:


    (Is there a Second Presbyterian Church anywhere?)

    There's a Tenth Presbyterian Church in Philadelphia. And for that other
    stuff, I dare not go there, tempting as it is. That's a whole 'nother
    newsgroup.

    Jim "never heard of anointing Presbyterians for membership" Flom

  18. Jim Flom said:

    <[email hidden]> wrote...

    Quoted message said:


    (Is there a Second Presbyterian Church anywhere?)

    There's a Tenth Presbyterian Church in Philadelphia. And for that other
    stuff, I dare not go there, tempting as it is. That's a whole 'nother
    newsgroup.

    Jim "never heard of anointing Presbyterians for membership" Flom

    Dear Jim,

    Possibly they just have a more accurate divine cyclocomputer
    that reads in tenths?

    Anointedly,

    Carl Fogel

  19. foldedpath said:


    [snip]

    Quoted message said:

    Now here is someone I can relate to. Half frame drugstore glasses on TOP of
    sunglasses. I haven't tried that yet, but I will. Thanks! I have definitely
    reached the point where I'm unaware of how I look on a bike.

    Getting slightly OT here, I have a problem with one eye which becomes
    sore in the wind. I also have prescription glasses. Recently I've tried
    wearing protective wraparound plastic glasses, of the kind sold in DIY
    stores, outside the glasses. Seems to be working well so far.

    Anthony

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    foldedpath said:

    "Jim Flom" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:TG3Hc.12008$eO.2239@edtnps89:

    Quoted message said:

    "foldedpath" wrote...

    Quoted message said:

    My vision is fine beyond about 5 feet, but I need reading glasses for
    anything closer. It's classic old fart presbyopia, a little worse
    than average because I started out farsighted.

    Oh jeez, for a moment I thought you were talking about narrow minded,
    retro Presbyterians who refuse to use bike computers.

    I didn't think of it that way originally... but maybe the phrase "see no
    evil" applies here. Maybe this is a sign from God, that I should stop
    paying so much attention to those numbers?

    _ Well, I purposely mounted my cyclocomputer where I can't see it
    when I'm riding. The only reason I got one is know how far I've
    ridden after I'm done. I just find them annoying and distracting
    for the most part. Besides it's really hard to pretend you're
    still in shape when you have the evidence blinking away at
    you...

    _ Booker C. Bense

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